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[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
 
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
 
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
 
We really need to get in front of this Hishmeri Septs situation, and the first thing we need to do is ship an EC ship with an FDS delegation there so we don't end up in the same situation as the Licori war where we jumped in without knowing anything about their local culture and political situation.

The Hishmeri raid, but they dislike the risk that this brings to their ships - if it turns out they raid due to some sort of resource or manufacturing deficit, we may be able to transition them to a less antagonistic model with a tech injection. This is all speculation however, we need to know more first.
 
I most definitely do not think it necessary for us to reach an arrangement with the Dawiar. I think that acting as though this is necessary increases the risk of our advice being blocked "because Celos." And I do not want to abandon the Ataami purely because, speculatively, the Dawiar get a bug in their ear about something. If the Dawiar attack us then they are in violation of the Treaty of Celos and we have every reason to pull back and say "what the hell, Cardassians."

If the Dawiar do anything other than attack our fleet without direct provocation, we're fine. It would be NICE to make arrangements with them, but it is not mandatory. I'm voting for the 'optimal' option.

[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
 
Crazy Tom said:
We really need to get in front of this Hishmeri Septs situation, and the first thing we need to do is ship an EC ship with an FDS delegation there so we don't end up in the same situation as the Licori war where we jumped in without knowing anything about their local culture and political situation.

The Hishmeri raid, but they dislike the risk that this brings to their ships - if it turns out they raid due to some sort of resource or manufacturing deficit, we may be able to transition them to a less antagonistic model with a tech injection. This is all speculation however, we need to know more first.
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I feel we very much did our due diligence here. We sent in the FDS - they reported that the Septs were raiders who kept slaves and who didn't like our diplomatic approach. We dispatched the EC - they observed the Hishmeri coercing a pre-warp culture. Even now we aren't approving a mission to go kill those guys and blow up their stuff, we're approving a mission to deter them from raiding. Even if everything was a big misunderstanding, we would still want their raiding to cease. It's up to our commander on the scene and the ROE we set for them to prevent escalation and to act appropriately if new evidence comes to light.

If. If if if. Again, we did do our due diligence as best we could.
 
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
The Cardassians then make more secretive attempts to negotiate a trade that would allow safe-passage of a Cardassian fleet to Sydraxian space to restore order, but no deal can be reached.
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I wonder if there's any interest from the Cardassians to negotiate a trade that would allow safe-passage of a Cardassian convoy from Sydraxian space? They probably have some rather uncomfortable citizens that wouldn't mind heading home.
 
HearthBorn said:
[][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
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@HearthBorn , would you mind explaining why, specifically, Starfleet should claim that this operation cannot be carried out if we don't get a diplomatic accord with the Dawiar?

I'm not sure this has been adequately explained, though I may have accidentally skipped something important.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Contribution increases to 35br, 35sr, 10rp, 5pp, 0.25 Officer, 0.5 Enlisted, 0.75 Techs from 10br, 15sr, 5rp, 2pp, 0.1 Officer, 0.1 Enlisted, 0.2 Techs
Gain +0.25 for all Explorer Corp types
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@OneirosTheWriter, can you confirm whether the crew income increase follows the pattern of all previous ratifications?

That is, which one of the following is correct:

a) Remove tech affiliate bonus of 0.15O/0.15E/0.15T (like all previous ratifications):
officer: 0.25 (0.1+0.15) => 0.35 (0.25+0.1)
enlisted: 0.25 (0.1+0.15) => 0.6 (0.5+0.1)
tech: 0.35 (0.2+0.15) => 0.95 (0.75+0.2)

b) Remove major affiliate bonus of 0.1O/0.1E/0.2T:
officer: 0.25 (0.1+0.15) => 0.4 (0.25+0.15)
enlisted: 0.25 (0.1+0.15) => 0.65 (0.5+0.15)
tech: 0.35 (0.2+0.15) => 0.9 (0.75+0.15)

c) Remove both tech affiliate and major affiliate bonuses:
officer: 0.25 (0.1+0.15) => 0.25
enlisted: 0.25 (0.1+0.15) => 0.5
tech: 0.35 (0.2+0.15) => 0.75
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
You have a lot to deal with right now.

In a relative sense, of course. As the man in charge of Starfleet, your "not much on your plate" was still an inbox that if ever rendered into paper form would cause your average aerobus to crash. Even eight months in top billing has taught you that much. Right about now, however, you have so much on your plate that you can just about hear the wailing of the supercomputers struggling under the load of your inbox as if this were a dungeon from the days of your musketeer stories.

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OneirosTheWriter said:
"I can read between the lines just fine, Admiral," notes President N'Gir as she drops a padd on the table between you. The Presidential office has been cleared out, leaving just the two of you, the two most influential people out of almost a hundred billion across the Federation. Between the two of you, the wood-panelled room seems so paradoxically stifling, crushing down around you with every square foot of emptiness around you. "This," she says, finger jabbing at the padd, "This is your doing."

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Uh, I just noticed these Politics posts are now unthreadmarked. Are they no longer canon? What solution was ultimately decided upon for a Federation-level Peacekeeping group (separate from the Caldonian peacekeeping issue) and the Starfleet transport-neutral goal?

(I still think the backlash against these posts was way overblown. The only problem was that the lack of voting granularity on the first post led to the impression that we already made an enemy with N'Gir in the second post, making the decision-making process look somewhat dysfunctional.)
 
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
 
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions
 
Iron Wolf said:
I think Oneiros was like "this makes everyone in-universe look kind of dumb due to a poor vote option, let's forget about it"
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Seems fair for characterizing the first post and the flavor text of the second post, yeah.

lbmaian said:
Uh, I just noticed these Politics posts are now unthreadmarked. Are they no longer canon? What solution was ultimately decided upon for a Federation-level Peacekeeping group (separate from the Caldonian peacekeeping issue) and the Starfleet transport-neutral goal?

(I still think the backlash against these posts was way overblown. The only problem was that the lack of voting granularity on the first post led to the impression that we already made an enemy with N'Gir in the second post, making the decision-making process look somewhat dysfunctional.)
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I'd say there were three problems. Firstly, what you just said- the outcome of the first post more or less required Sulu to go make political trouble for N'Gir before asking what N'Gir had been planning, since the alternative didn't seem to give us any input in the final decision whatsoever.

Secondly, the first post was structured in a way that left us with the the perception that Starfleet was being left out of the decision-making process until "the last minute" for some significant value of "the last minute," which triggered backlash.

Thirdly, a general antagonized relationship among much of the thread, towards N'Gir. All N'Gir's appearances been accompanied with varying degrees of negative reaction, so this one being no exception was no surprise.
 
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[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
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I wish you would have given the header statement some different wording to make it easier for people to distinguish the new vote.
 
OOC solutions to IC issues are obnoxious, but so are IC solutions to OOC issues. I fully support retcons in situations like these.

[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.

Looks reasonable to me. It'd be neat if the FSD could get the Dawiar actively on our side in this matter, but it sounds like we can't make that suggestion.
 
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Seems fair for characterizing the first post and the flavor text of the second post, yeah.

I'd say there were three problems. Firstly, what you just said- the outcome of the first post more or less required Sulu to go make political trouble for N'Gir before asking what N'Gir had been planning, since the alternative didn't seem to give us any input in the final decision whatsoever.

Secondly, the first post was structured in a way that left us with the the perception that Starfleet was being left out of the decision-making process until "the last minute" for some significant value of "the last minute," which triggered backlash.

Thirdly, a general antagonized relationship among much of the thread, towards N'Gir. All N'Gir's appearances been accompanied with varying degrees of negative reaction, so this one being an exception was no surprise.
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Agreed, but I'm still curious what the heck is going to happen next. Are we going to get a new vote?

Or have the solutions already been decided upon based off our earlier votes? That is, even if the narrative had problems, the votes might still be valid.
 
Are there any circumstances under which we'd advise, "No, we shouldn't do this?" Because it seemed like there were a fair number of folks willing to argue that, but they've all disappeared now.
 
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliatefleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it optimal if some sort of understanding is reached with the Dawiar for this effort. If we do not have their acquiescence or approval, we can go ahead, but will have to tread carefully to avoid provoking tensions.
 
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