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A large show of force only requires the EC ship for the show of force and diplomacy.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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As the guy who wrote TUP and keeps indicating they should be in power, this is a good analysis from Akuz. Motarr's election stump claimed that the Federation is the New Orion Republic, and that the Union could better provide galactic leadership like the old Empire if it's a part of that rather than separate.
Well, in my mind anyways. Dunno what Oneiros might then, hence why I wanna kick this to the Prez
Well, in my mind anyways. Dunno what Oneiros might then, hence why I wanna kick this to the Prez
AKuz
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I actually suspect the CAP would kick a light unit over in the name of Interstellar Sisterhood as well if asked politely. Like unless the Orion Union is in a way more dire straits than has been indicated to us the, newer, more Interstellarist spirit that the CAP leadership has been trying to foster would require that the Union make at least a token effort to pay it forwards.
(On a Headcannon side note, I suspect that if the CAP was defeated by the TUP in recent elections it was in large part because the goals that the CAP was established for during the first revolution were accomplished and they're in a period of realignment because they won the impossible fight after decades and... now what? Making things worse, the upper ranks signed a selfless self-denying pledge along with the new constitution to assuage fears of the CAP Government afixing themselves a permanent place in power. At the very least, the oldest, most experienced cohort of the Idealistic wing of the CAP are out of power. Maybe even permanently retired. Either way the TUP were quicker off the mark to rebrand themselves and figure out a new reason d'etre)
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If we are not willing to enguage positively, we loose half of our political toolkit.
If we see them doing such things, that is a call to cut things off, but until then, we only have a strong suspicion. We already deal with the Yirillians who do minor raiding.
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Last I checked, Yrillian raiders aren't sanctioned by the central government.
I'd say that and an element of "Been in Too Long."
[It's Canada day and Akuz and I are both Canadians so here come Canadian political references]
Few governments last more than a decade in democracies particularly under a single leader, just because shit piles up and people decide on a fresh pair of eyes. I've always assumed the underlying population is more TUP-leaning than CAP leaning. If it helps, you can think of President Oyana as sort of a Stephen Harper -- a break from a long chain of Liberal PM's, although the politics are all completely different because it's the space future. It's important to note that she was in power, assuming she was elected ~2300, around as long as Christie Clark was, and longer than Harper.
Point of comparison is how in American it's rare for a party to go for two presidential terms and then manage to get another President in afterwards. The Orions are based a lot on American structures so this is pretty fitting. It's entirely possible Motarr is working with a slim TUP majority or plurality that could disappear by midterms.
Anyways I made some adjustments and I feel pretty good about this so:
[X][ADVICE] Does Starfleet consider protecting the Ataami to be feasible? What would be required from Members or Affiliates?
-[X] Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue effort. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member fleets. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Vulcans, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. In your dealings you can emphasize the forward defense nature of this, in addition to the fact we're helping a prewarp civilization. Though again, use your best judgement for the approach you wish to take to sell this to the members and affiliates.
AKuz
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[X][ADVICE] Does Starfleet consider protecting the Ataami to be feasible? What would be required from Members or Affiliates?
-[X] Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue effort. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member fleets. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Vulcans, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. In your dealings you can emphasize the forward defense nature of this, in addition to the fact we're helping a prewarp civilization. Though again, use your best judgement for the approach you wish to take to sell this to the members and affiliates.
-[X] Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue effort. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member fleets. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Vulcans, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. In your dealings you can emphasize the forward defense nature of this, in addition to the fact we're helping a prewarp civilization. Though again, use your best judgement for the approach you wish to take to sell this to the members and affiliates.
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[X][ADVICE] Does Starfleet consider protecting the Ataami to be feasible? What would be required from Members or Affiliates?
-[X] Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue effort. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member fleets. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Vulcans, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. In your dealings you can emphasize the forward defense nature of this, in addition to the fact we're helping a prewarp civilization. Though again, use your best judgement for the approach you wish to take to sell this to the members and affiliates.
I dunno, constantly drawing on the member fleets would be rather unwise. I mean, here, at least, it's for a good cause, but.....
-[X] Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue effort. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member fleets. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Vulcans, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. In your dealings you can emphasize the forward defense nature of this, in addition to the fact we're helping a prewarp civilization. Though again, use your best judgement for the approach you wish to take to sell this to the members and affiliates.
I dunno, constantly drawing on the member fleets would be rather unwise. I mean, here, at least, it's for a good cause, but.....
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-[X] Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue effort. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member fleets. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Vulcans, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. In your dealings you can emphasize the forward defense nature of this, in addition to the fact we're helping a prewarp civilization. Though again, use your best judgement for the approach you wish to take to sell this to the members and affiliates.
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Jenny
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I have a slight modification, shown in bold.
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
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If they say a 40C fleet is all that is necessary for deterrence, then I specifically and strongly disagree with a 100C show of force. If 40C deters, and the Hishmeri don't want to engage such a force, then 100C will do nothing that 40C won't. 100C only makes sense if the Hishmeri want to tangle once or twice, where such a force would discourage or quickly kill any such ideas, but they won't even tangle with 40C according to our analysts. Furthermore, the surge idea isn't viable because we'll still need to have 40C there for the full year.
I trust our xenopsych people. Just fill the requirement. Don't make up responses when we already know that 40C will be a show of force to them.
e: I think I'm a few pages behind, sorry
I trust our xenopsych people. Just fill the requirement. Don't make up responses when we already know that 40C will be a show of force to them.
e: I think I'm a few pages behind, sorry
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Vebyast
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I believe that the hypothesis being argued is that a surge would reduce or remove that requirement. I guess that the xenopsychologists would've suggested it if it was an option, though, if we're arguing from that perspective.
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AKuz
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Updated vote to @Briefvoice 's version.
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
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[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
@OneirosTheWriter you don't list a defense requirement for Gaen. Does it increase the current 18D defense requirement for Sol Sector?
Are you maybe waiting to update because we are about to (at the end of this research turn) complete the first technology of Forward Defense that rebalances the Defense requirements to border sectors?
Well it's a Rear Admiral job, so we could always tap Thuir.
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Give Samhaya Mrr'shan her promotion and assign her?
I don't think we know any other characters who are currently Commodore or Captain eligible for promotion, suitable for the position and not needed elsewhere (ka'Sharren should stay in the GBZ).
Yes and I am specifically and vehemently disagreeing with that hypothesis.
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Going to reassess when the tech completes.
Gear
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[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
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[X][ADVICE] Feasibility of protecting the Ataami.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
-[X] Stationing 40C in the area would be feasible give the following stipulations: 1. Starfleet can provide roughly provide about 50% of the minimum required combat capacity required without undue compromise to other commitments. The remainder plus any margin would ideally come from member and local affiliate fleets. 2. Our initial analysis based mostly on proximity suggests the Caitians, Andorians, Qloathi, Seyek and Tellarites are in the best position to contribute; however, deciding what affiliates to draw on specifically should be your decision, based on Council and Affiliate diplomacy and politics. So long as we gain the other half we need. 3. If necessary we can provide 40C by ourselves, but it would put a severe strain on operations elsewhere. 4. Starfleet considers it a necessity that some sort of diplomatic accord be reached with the Dawiar for this effort. The Dawiar must understand the purpose of this large fleet gathered on their border and we must have their acquiescence if not their approval, and ideally their active support.
Okay, not to be obvious but please hold off on a Fleet Deployment vote these new operations until you have made a final determination. Have to know what our commitments actually are.
A 40C fleet is right at the edge between a Rear Admiral job and a Commodore job. During the Licori war both Thuir and ka'Sharren were commanding task forces of slightly under 40C, while T'Lorel was handling a 53C Task Force as a Rear Admiral.