It was payment for their contribution in the Licori War and part of the deal to soften their post War economy crash.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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The Gaeni were allowed to join early in exchange for forfeiting their harder demands for reparations from the Licori. This allowed us to end the war with both sides on happy terms.
Just scanning current fleet deployment, I'm thinking we could contribute:
USS Renaissance [Currently going to GBZ]
USS Winterwind [Currently going to GBZ]
USS Rru'adorr (?) [Currently in LBZ]
2x Mirandas from the GBZ
14-20C.
Problems: Rru'adorr is right across the Fed. I'm thinking an alternate is we keep the Rennie in Ferasa, use Avandar. Maybe bring in a Connie-B from the LBZ or GBZ instead of Rru'adorr.
I think we could ask Seyek and Q to provide initial force with Chad and the Avandar providing top cover, then we provide a ~20C force for longer-term and let them sort the rest.
Make sure to sell both the moral and collective defense benefits.
USS Renaissance [Currently going to GBZ]
USS Winterwind [Currently going to GBZ]
USS Rru'adorr (?) [Currently in LBZ]
2x Mirandas from the GBZ
14-20C.
Problems: Rru'adorr is right across the Fed. I'm thinking an alternate is we keep the Rennie in Ferasa, use Avandar. Maybe bring in a Connie-B from the LBZ or GBZ instead of Rru'adorr.
I think we could ask Seyek and Q to provide initial force with Chad and the Avandar providing top cover, then we provide a ~20C force for longer-term and let them sort the rest.
Make sure to sell both the moral and collective defense benefits.
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That's pretty optimistic. We haven't even pried them away from the Sydraxians yet.
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One thing to note is that our territory claims in that region have been in limbo for a couple of years, ever since the Qloathi (who are considered to be inside the Ferasa sector) became advanced affiliates. Usually we would have firmly claimed the intervening space, but due to the delicate political situation I wasn't willing to make any map adjustments without OK from Oneiros, and perhaps IC the question of what borders we want to assert there was stuck in a committee. Perhaps we could now settle the question and conveniently include the Ataami inside our borders?
I still like the idea of making the Hishmeri taskforce as diverse as possible, to make sure these nomads realise they are messing with a whole bunch of species.
Especially the Gaeni would probably enjoy an immediate chance to participate in a federation effort. They are a bit far away, but some trip to a part of space they are less familliar with should be exciting for them.
Especially the Gaeni would probably enjoy an immediate chance to participate in a federation effort. They are a bit far away, but some trip to a part of space they are less familliar with should be exciting for them.
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We do that by building temples across the Federation and praying to her?
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Sounds like a plan to me. I also like the idea of closing that corridor and cutting the Dawiar off - hopefully seeing themselves about to be surrounded might be enough to convince them that rather than "the end of ambition", joining the Fed is the only way they'll be able to expand in the long run.
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[][ADVICE] Providing an entire task force dedicated only to protecting the Ataami would not be impossible, but could prove challenging when considering that we will also need to protect our own territory from the Hishmeri. On a related note the question of how to adjust the external border of the Ferasa sector to faciliate the inclusion of Qloathi space has not yet been settled. In light of the Hishmeri threat and with Qolathi accession near this is a highly undesirable state of affairs. Some of the existing proposals extend the border to encompass the shortest route between Ferasa and the rimward half of Qloathi space, and would therefore conveniently also encompass the Ataami. Were such a proposal to pass the Council the Ataami would be protected as a side effect of protecting our external border. To help protect the enlarged and endangered sector it would be very helpful if standing permission to forward deploy in the Ferasa sector was granted to the member fleets of the adjacent sectors for the duration of the Hishmeri threat.
Not sure what sort of force would be needed to protect the entire sector as opposed to just one planet.
Not sure what sort of force would be needed to protect the entire sector as opposed to just one planet.
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I have to say I am doubtful that a plan that relies that heavily on non-starfleet resources is very feasible. I mean we can certainly suggest it to the president/council but I have my doubts that it will garner that much support, especially since the analysis suggests that the danger of an Hismeri attack on the actual Federation is relatively small which makes this a very expensive and dangerous humanitarian mission.
For example if I were the Seyek I would rather not send/risk my fleet in such an adventure while the events in the Sydraxian Hierachy make the Cardassians twitchy and I had them and the Konen proping my borders...
For example if I were the Seyek I would rather not send/risk my fleet in such an adventure while the events in the Sydraxian Hierachy make the Cardassians twitchy and I had them and the Konen proping my borders...
I'm hopeful that we can pull half of the required (20C from nearby members), but if we have to supply the full 40C, we will be going back to sectors with just one ship and probably pulling something from the GBZ.
After all, don't forget we also have to reinforce the KBZ for two years.
Hey, dice, give us a break will you? Some of us would like to have two-three ships in every sector and the GBZ force large enough to contend the space between us and the Cardassians.
After all, don't forget we also have to reinforce the KBZ for two years.
Hey, dice, give us a break will you? Some of us would like to have two-three ships in every sector and the GBZ force large enough to contend the space between us and the Cardassians.
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Agreed. Lets try to keep the Defenses in that area where they are. And look elsewhere for ships to send. If we have to we can send Ships from our Affiliate fleets.
That is one of the areas that I am worried about TBF.
Way to easy my friend. If it was the Cardassians would have everything bad happening to them instead of it happening to everyone else. And we wouldn't have to worry about a Hostile power in our territory. (Dawiar) If and when the time comes to take over that area and encompass the Ferasa Sector they are going to be surrounded whether they like it or not.
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No starbase?
I would have thought that the Gaen would have a starbase. That's a nice merchant marine though - I think it's around the size of Starfleet's freighter fleet, if not larger.
Hey, we have an official posture now!
Whoever received the Federation-Sydraxian Diplomatic Posture report is probably very annoyed right now.
Ah. So that's what they're called.
Hmm.
I would still go with more, just to be safe.
[X][ADVICE] (Placeholder - needs more detail) Send in an initial ~100C show of force, heavily reinforced by nearby member and affiliate fleets, with an initial Starfleet committment of 40C. Then, after the initial show of force, draw down to ~50C
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2317.Q2 is when it ends so ratifications starting next year are likely.
Also @OneirosTheWriter love the bits of info dropped in the Gaeni membership, and Linderly is proving his worth once more by keeping it peaceful. Looking at it a D councilor from the main world and a M councilor make sense, though I expect, D, M and E are going to be the most prevalent factions, with H and P being more minor. Also like seeing an expansion of the M beyond just Rigel. They and D should get a good boost from Orion ratification.
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So, no starbase at Gaen - how expensive is it going to be to correct that?
I would really like to see just how exactly you intend expect to gather such a massive force (especially in such a short timeframe). This would require a massive and probably unprecedented mobilisation of memberfleets at the same time that pretty much every other corner of the Federation also demands our attention and forces. I mean if we/the Federation really wanted to do it we could but I really doubt that our president and the Council is willing to invest that much political power and other resources into such an operation...
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Not to mention, a plan heavily involving non-Federation assets is pretty politically challenging.
Let's see. Looking at member fleets...
The only ones that haven't been tapped recently are the Vulcans and Indorians. The former is fairly distant; the latter is needed to protect Indoria from Cardassian attack.
Andoria's an option to draw from - closer than Vulcan, didn't get called on to send ships for the Licori war.
The Caitians might be an option, though there's only so much they could contribute, given other commitments.
Gaen and Betazed had no damaged ships during the Licori war, but are far away, and the Gaeni are still recovering from a heavy mobilization effort.
Rigel lost no ships during the Licori war, but is far away.
The Amarki are pretty heavily committed in the GBZ.
Same for the Apiata, who also need to protect their original borders along with Dorsata.
Tellar took losses during the Licori war, and may be less than eager to risk more of her ships.
United Earth has been drawn on since the start of the anti-Syndicate campaign, and outright lost ships in the Licori war.
Strong affiliates:
The Qloathi are directly at risk.
The Orions are somewhat at risk, but also possibly still have to deal with Syndicate remnants.
The Seyek are sort of at risk, but have the Cardassians to worry about.
Risa is at risk, but has little to contribute. (Hell, she probably needs to keep her fleet in place just to cover against the Dawiar).
The Honiani are distant.
The Caldonians are quite busy.
Can we put together ~20C from this? Probably. Something like the Andorian Excelsior, a Vulcan Constitution, and 3 Vulcan/Andorian frigates. Scrounge up 20C more from Starfleet, and we'd have ourselves a fleet.
This seems rather tougher (an extra Andorian/Vulcan frigate, a Caitian Fathership/Swarmer TF, and then grab 20C more from ... somewhere?) until we draw on affiliate fleets (either a large Qloathi TF, or small Qloathi and Orion TFs?). Doable, though politically challenging.
That does leave us with the question of scrounging up 40C total of Starfleet ships...
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We should send some Excelsior class ships as well since they represent the might of the federation. How many do we have by now anyway?
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For the septs, asking if some of the mercantile worlds want to send ships to join the force, and letting them send trade missions with those ships might be an incentive. We need pease if we want to trade, so people who are pro trade should be motivated.
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Trade missions with who?
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So, my first idea for accomplishing this involved using Thirishar (sending Avandar to the KBZ instead of Rigel, and sending a Connie-B or Rennie out to Rigel to support Selaya).
Then I remembered Thirishar's reputation.
I'm going to rethink my plans.
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Which is...?