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Adhoc vote count started by AlphaDelta on Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, finished with 55761 posts and 39 votes.
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Chaos Blade said:
I feel that we shouldn't equip them all the same, we could use some specialization, or we need to know if we can upgrade or downgrade the level of armor/weaponry/equipment, after all, we shouldn't lock down their equipment needs before we send them to the field...
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You might be right in theory, but we were specifically asked to vote on the matter so I guess we need to decide now.
 
[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
[X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
-[X][STAR] A robust organisational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorised mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
[X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
[X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
 
Briefvoice said:
Since we would be getting some new general purpose berths anyway, it really is exactly the same thing.
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This says that we will use them for this purpose, whereas the default does not.

Also, heavily expand seems a bit much.
chriswriter90 said:
Yeah, I'm going to straight-up not vote unless

A. I expend at a couple hours to make sense of everything.

Or

B. All the options are consolidated on a single page where they can be compared.
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These are the main options, consolidated. Gear and Size don't have write-ins.

[ ][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
[ ][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[ ][AUX] By itself
[ ][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[ ][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards


[ ][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
-[ ][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
[ ][PEACE] Write-in: Grow a Ranger Corps under Starfleet Security
-[ ][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command under Starfleet Tactical, and will be subordinate to Starfleet Security until its size increases to a point where a separate command is warranted
[ ][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
[ ][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
-[ ][NEW] Organic Infrastructure

[ ][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
-[ ] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
-[ ] Runabouts and Shuttles
-[ ] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Park for production
[ ][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
 
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Probably the easiest tally to read the count, given that we have subtask subvotes:

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2222 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 55551-55765]
##### NetTally 1.9.8
Task: CARGO
[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
No. of Votes: 19
anon_user
AKuz
Artemis1992
Chacmon
Cpt. Bread
Derek58
Erandil
Gingganz
Goat
Hazard
Japanime
Joshrand1982
Mr Tebbs
Muer'ci
pheonix89
Simon_Jester
TheThinker
Theunderbolt
Wellhello
[X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
No. of Votes: 12
Nix
Alastor Mobius Toth
AlphaDelta
Ato
Briefvoice
Godwinson
lbmaian
pbluekan
Random Member
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Tylonius
UberJJK
[X][CARGO] Look to expand Starfleet's Auxiliary production through the use of general-purpose berths.
No. of Votes: 3
Vebyast
Chaos Blade
remulian
[X][CARGO] Write in: A Self-supporting Fleet
No. of Votes: 2
Captain Hunt
EmperorArthur
-[X][CARGO] Aim to have Starfleet's Fleet Support loop logistics requirements fully covered, the Feeder loop 75% covered, and the Industrial loop 75% covered by 2322.
No. of Votes: 2
Captain Hunt
EmperorArthur
-[X][CARGO] Build another four dedicated auxiliary berths and assign general purpose berths as necessary, with member yards used if there are an opening.
No. of Votes: 2
Captain Hunt
EmperorArthur
[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's AuxiliaryShipyard production
No. of Votes: 1
Nervos Belli
[X][CARGO] Implement a system of compensation (rental of ships) to member worlds
No. of Votes: 1
Simon_Jester
Task: AUX
-[X][AUX] By itself
No. of Votes: 15
anon_user
AKuz
Artemis1992
Chacmon
Cpt. Bread
Erandil
Hazard
Japanime
Joshrand1982
Mr Tebbs
Muer'ci
Nervos Belli
pheonix89
TheThinker
Wellhello
-[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
No. of Votes: 5
Gingganz
Derek58
Goat
Simon_Jester
Theunderbolt
--[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards if that is insufficient may be considered.
No. of Votes: 1
Hazard
Task: PEACE
[X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
No. of Votes: 15
anon_user
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
Derek58
Goat
Iron Wolf
Joshrand1982
lbmaian
pbluekan
remulian
SynchronizedWritersBlock
TheThinker
Theunderbolt
Vebyast
[X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
No. of Votes: 8
Erandil
Alastor Mobius Toth
Gingganz
Japanime
Nervos Belli
Random Member
Simon_Jester
Wellhello
[X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
No. of Votes: 7
Captain Hunt
AlphaDelta
Ato
CeBrudras
EmperorArthur
Godwinson
HearthBorn
[x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
No. of Votes: 5
AKuz
Hazard
Mr Tebbs
pheonix89
UberJJK
[X][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
No. of Votes: 4
Tylonius
Artemis1992
Cpt. Bread
Muer'ci
Task: GEAR
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
No. of Votes: 22
anon_user
AKuz
AlphaDelta
Ato
Captain Hunt
Chacmon
Erandil
Gingganz
Godwinson
Hazard
HearthBorn
Iron Wolf
Joshrand1982
Mr Tebbs
Nervos Belli
pheonix89
Random Member
Simon_Jester
SynchronizedWritersBlock
TheThinker
UberJJK
Wellhello
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
No. of Votes: 5
Chaos Blade
Briefvoice
Derek58
pbluekan
Theunderbolt
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with MACOs (war-fighting capacity)
No. of Votes: 2
Japanime
remulian
-[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
No. of Votes: 1
Alastor Mobius Toth
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Andorian Peacekeepers
No. of Votes: 1
Goat
Task: SUPPORT
[X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
No. of Votes: 22
Erandil
AKuz
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
Derek58
Gingganz
Goat
Iron Wolf
Japanime
Joshrand1982
lbmaian
Nervos Belli
pbluekan
Random Member
remulian
Simon_Jester
SynchronizedWritersBlock
TheThinker
Theunderbolt
UberJJK
Wellhello
[X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
No. of Votes: 6
Captain Hunt
AlphaDelta
Ato
EmperorArthur
Godwinson
HearthBorn
-[X][SUPPORT] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
No. of Votes: 6
Captain Hunt
AlphaDelta
Ato
EmperorArthur
Godwinson
HearthBorn
-[X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and Shuttles
No. of Votes: 6
Captain Hunt
AlphaDelta
Ato
EmperorArthur
Godwinson
HearthBorn
-[X][SUPPORT] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
No. of Votes: 6
Captain Hunt
AlphaDelta
Ato
EmperorArthur
Godwinson
HearthBorn
[X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
No. of Votes: 3
anon_user
Hazard
pheonix89
-[X][Support] Shuttle craft and runabouts may be integrated later, but generally they would be unnecessary anyway.
No. of Votes: 1
Hazard
-[X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
No. of Votes: 1
Alastor Mobius Toth
Task: NEW
-[X][NEW] Organic Ships
No. of Votes: 6
Erandil
Gingganz
Japanime
Nervos Belli
Random Member
Wellhello
-[X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure
No. of Votes: 2
Alastor Mobius Toth
Simon_Jester
Task: SIZE
[X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
No. of Votes: 16
Erandil
AlphaDelta
Ato
Briefvoice
Chaos Blade
Derek58
EmperorArthur
Godwinson
HearthBorn
Japanime
Joshrand1982
lbmaian
remulian
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Theunderbolt
Wellhello
[X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
No. of Votes: 11
Iron Wolf
AKuz
Chacmon
Gingganz
Goat
Mr Tebbs
pbluekan
Random Member
Simon_Jester
TheThinker
UberJJK
[X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
No. of Votes: 4
Hazard
Captain Hunt
Nervos Belli
pheonix89
-[X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
No. of Votes: 1
Alastor Mobius Toth
Task: STAR
-[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
No. of Votes: 12
Iron Wolf
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
Derek58
Joshrand1982
lbmaian
pbluekan
remulian
SynchronizedWritersBlock
TheThinker
Vebyast
-[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
No. of Votes: 7
Captain Hunt
AlphaDelta
Ato
CeBrudras
EmperorArthur
Godwinson
HearthBorn
-[X][STAR] Rear Admiral Michael Thuir will be its first commander.
No. of Votes: 2
Captain Hunt
EmperorArthur
-[X][STAR] A robust organisational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorised mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
No. of Votes: 1
Theunderbolt
-[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command under Starfleet Tactical, and will be subordinate to Starfleet Security until its size increases to a point where a separate command is warranted
No. of Votes: 1
HearthBorn
-[X][STAR] Write-in details of preferred arrangement: Organic shipping - might need even more surge on the logistics end
No. of Votes: 1
Goat
Task: FDS
-[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
No. of Votes: 4
AKuz
Hazard
Mr Tebbs
UberJJK
-[X][FDS] Organic Ships for consideration, Starfleet based deployment capacity preferred.
No. of Votes: 1
Hazard
-[x][FDS] Dependent on Member Worlds for delivery
No. of Votes: 1
pheonix89
Task: PAY
-[X][PAY] PP
No. of Votes: 1
Simon_Jester
Total No. of Voters: 40


This on the other hand should show which votes are attached:
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2222 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 55551-55765]
##### NetTally 1.9.8
Task: CARGO
[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[X][AUX] By itself
No. of Votes: 13
anon_user
AKuz
Artemis1992
Chacmon
Cpt. Bread
Erandil
Japanime
Joshrand1982
Mr Tebbs
Muer'ci
pheonix89
TheThinker
Wellhello
[X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
No. of Votes: 12
Nix
Alastor Mobius Toth
AlphaDelta
Ato
Briefvoice
Godwinson
lbmaian
pbluekan
Random Member
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Tylonius
UberJJK
[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
No. of Votes: 5
Gingganz
Derek58
Goat
Simon_Jester
Theunderbolt
[X][CARGO] Look to expand Starfleet's Auxiliary production through the use of general-purpose berths.
No. of Votes: 3
Vebyast
Chaos Blade
remulian
[X][CARGO] Write in: A Self-supporting Fleet
-[X] Aim to have Starfleet's Fleet Support loop logistics requirements fully covered, the Feeder loop 75% covered, and the Industrial loop 75% covered by 2322.
-[X] Build another four dedicated auxiliary berths and assign general purpose berths as necessary, with member yards used if there are an opening.
No. of Votes: 2
Captain Hunt
EmperorArthur
[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[X][AUX] By itself
--[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards if that is insufficient may be considered.
No. of Votes: 1
Hazard
[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's AuxiliaryShipyard production
-[X][AUX] By itself
No. of Votes: 1
Nervos Belli
[X][CARGO] Implement a system of compensation (rental of ships) to member worlds
-[X][PAY] PP
No. of Votes: 1
Simon_Jester
Task: PEACE
[X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
-[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
No. of Votes: 12
Iron Wolf
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
Derek58
Joshrand1982
lbmaian
pbluekan
remulian
SynchronizedWritersBlock
TheThinker
Vebyast
[X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
-[X][NEW] Organic Ships
No. of Votes: 6
Erandil
Gingganz
Japanime
Nervos Belli
Random Member
Wellhello
[X][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
No. of Votes: 4
Tylonius
Artemis1992
Cpt. Bread
Muer'ci
[X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
-[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
No. of Votes: 4
CeBrudras
AlphaDelta
Ato
Godwinson
[x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
-[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
No. of Votes: 3
AKuz
Mr Tebbs
UberJJK
[X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
-[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
-[X][STAR] Rear Admiral Michael Thuir will be its first commander.
No. of Votes: 2
Captain Hunt
EmperorArthur
[X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
No. of Votes: 1
anon_user
[X][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
-[X][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
-[X][FDS] Organic Ships for consideration, Starfleet based deployment capacity preferred.
No. of Votes: 1
Hazard
[X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
-[X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure
-[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
-[X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
-[X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
No. of Votes: 1
Alastor Mobius Toth
[x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
-[x][FDS] Dependent on Member Worlds for delivery
No. of Votes: 1
pheonix89
[X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
-[X][STAR] Write-in details of preferred arrangement: Organic shipping - might need even more surge on the logistics end
No. of Votes: 1
Goat
[X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
-[X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure
No. of Votes: 1
Simon_Jester
[X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
-[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
-[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command under Starfleet Tactical, and will be subordinate to Starfleet Security until its size increases to a point where a separate command is warranted
No. of Votes: 1
HearthBorn
[X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
-[X][STAR] A robust organisational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorised mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
No. of Votes: 1
Theunderbolt
Task: GEAR
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
No. of Votes: 22
anon_user
AKuz
AlphaDelta
Ato
Captain Hunt
Chacmon
Erandil
Gingganz
Godwinson
Hazard
HearthBorn
Iron Wolf
Joshrand1982
Mr Tebbs
Nervos Belli
pheonix89
Random Member
Simon_Jester
SynchronizedWritersBlock
TheThinker
UberJJK
Wellhello
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
No. of Votes: 5
Chaos Blade
Briefvoice
Derek58
pbluekan
Theunderbolt
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with MACOs (war-fighting capacity)
No. of Votes: 2
Japanime
remulian
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Andorian Peacekeepers
No. of Votes: 1
Goat
Task: SUPPORT
[X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
No. of Votes: 22
Erandil
AKuz
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
Derek58
Gingganz
Goat
Iron Wolf
Japanime
Joshrand1982
lbmaian
Nervos Belli
pbluekan
Random Member
remulian
Simon_Jester
SynchronizedWritersBlock
TheThinker
Theunderbolt
UberJJK
Wellhello
[X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
-[X] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
-[X] Runabouts and Shuttles
-[X] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
No. of Votes: 6
Captain Hunt
AlphaDelta
Ato
EmperorArthur
Godwinson
HearthBorn
[X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
No. of Votes: 2
anon_user
pheonix89
[X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
-[X][Support] Shuttle craft and runabouts may be integrated later, but generally they would be unnecessary anyway.
No. of Votes: 1
Hazard
Task: SIZE
[X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
No. of Votes: 16
Erandil
AlphaDelta
Ato
Briefvoice
Chaos Blade
Derek58
EmperorArthur
Godwinson
HearthBorn
Japanime
Joshrand1982
lbmaian
remulian
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Theunderbolt
Wellhello
[X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
No. of Votes: 11
Iron Wolf
AKuz
Chacmon
Gingganz
Goat
Mr Tebbs
pbluekan
Random Member
Simon_Jester
TheThinker
UberJJK
[X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
No. of Votes: 4
Hazard
Captain Hunt
Nervos Belli
pheonix89
Total No. of Voters: 40


AlphaDelta said:
This says that we will use them for this purpose, whereas the default does not.

Also, heavily expand seems a bit much.

These are the main options, consolidated. Gear and Size don't have write-ins.

[ ][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
[ ][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[ ][AUX] By itself


[ ][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
-[ ][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
[ ][PEACE] Write-in: Grow a Ranger Corps under Starfleet Security
-[ ][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command under Starfleet Tactical, and will be subordinate to Starfleet Security until its size increases to a point where a separate command is warranted
[ ][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical

[ ][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
-[ ] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
-[ ] Runabouts and Shuttles
-[ ] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
[ ][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
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You're missing quite a bit under many of those options.
 
Simon_Jester said:
[X][CARGO] Implement a system of compensation (rental of ships) to member worlds
-[X][PAY] PP
[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards

HELP I AM CONFUSED!

@OneirosTheWriter, I do NOT want to eat-cake-have-cake, but I DO honestly think it would be a good idea for us to compensate the member worlds for the heavy use of their ships in the short term. Among other things because it gives us an incentive to stop overusing their ships forever.
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I think the idea is that if we're using our own yards for a lot of it, it will be a comparatively much smaller strain on member worlds. No need to be self-sacrificing... many expansionist-supporters have no trouble with us using their shipping.
 
You know, I honestly think it will serve us right if Oneiros takes one look at this hodge-podge of write-ins, says "to hell with all this," and picks a solution at random.

He explicitly warned us against trying to fiddle around with write-ins in an attempt to have our cake and eat it too. There are a pretty limited range of ideas where he invited a write-in:
1) The size and armament of the prospective peacekeeper unit.
2) The exact details of how the unit will be formed as part of Starfleet Tactical.
3) The exact extent of how the unit might be equipped with space transport assets if it is an independent body.

There are three situations where write-ins emerge in quest voting. One is when constructing a truly open-ended plan. The second is when the vote question is basically "what do you say, what advice do you give" or something of that nature. And the third is when the voters are trying to have their cake and eat it too, by trying to 'tweak' the vote options off in whatever direction they consider optimal.

I have become increasingly convinced that the third option is counterproductive.

Briefvoice said:
I think the idea is that if we're using our own yards for a lot of it, it will be a comparatively much smaller strain on member worlds. No need to be self-sacrificing... many expansionist-supporters have no trouble with us using their shipping.
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See, that makes sense- but some of the member worlds DO mind how much of their shipping we use, and it's reasonable to offer them compensation. And once we're compensating the member nations that are unhappy with the situation as it stands, we have to compensate everyone else, too.

It seems only fair. And if there's enough political pressure for N'Gir to be in office and behaving this way... there's enough pressure that we want to actually address it, not just assure everyone we're going to fix it.

HearthBorn said:
I suppose this vote feels like an 'are you sure?' vote to reverse the last vote, by showing more options and details, while increasing the penalties of following through, and hiding the political backlash if the President doesn't get her way.
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The penalties being shown to us are fully realistic and foreseeable given the level of opposition some in the thread seem to want. As an appointed official, you can't stonewall your own head of government for years at a time and reasonably expect this NOT to trigger a constitutional crisis. Even a crisis you might lose.

Plus, a lot of us really DID oppose the peacekeeper vote due to a lack of clarity as to what it would be doing and how much Federation-wide support there was for such an organization existing.

chriswriter90 said:
I leave for a day and everything goes to hell again...
Yeah, I'm going to straight-up not vote unless

A. I expend at a couple hours to make sense of everything.

Or

B. All the options are consolidated on a single page where they can be compared.
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They ARE consolidated on a single page. It's called Oneiros's original post.

Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2222

He even SAID " (if you give me a eat-cake/have-cake write-in it will go badly)," although that was in the context of the logistics vote.
 
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HearthBorn said:
I suppose this vote feels like an 'are you sure?' vote to reverse the last vote, by showing more options and details, while increasing the penalties of following through, and hiding the political backlash if the President doesn't get her way.
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Simon_Jester said:
The penalties being shown to us are fully realistic and foreseeable given the level of opposition some in the thread seem to want. As an appointed official, you can't stonewall your own head of government for years at a time and reasonably expect this NOT to trigger a constitutional crisis. Even a crisis you might lose.

Plus, a lot of us really DID oppose the peacekeeper vote due to a lack of clarity as to what it would be doing and how much Federation-wide support there was for such an organization existing.
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Oh, I'm not arguing that. But it felt like we had an opportunity to alter the political power behind the scenes in one of the few options we've had so far, and it apparently bit us in the rear.

Aren't we citizens of the federation too? Next time there's an election, I'd like to vote! It feels like we have an 'adversary' that we can only appease, not truly oppose in this case. Admittedly, 'the boss' as an adversary rather than someone that has your back is a situation that many face, but I've quit over similar situations before. And we don't really have that as an option! We just lose Sulu, get another face to represent us, and continue working with a hostile leader. It's rather disheartening.
 
I would like to make an appeal to people both willing to resist it to the end, and those preferring for the Peacekeeping Corps to be with the FDS instead; chiefly:

@AKuz , @Hazard, @Mr Tebbs , @UberJJK , @Tylonius , @Artemis1992 , @Cpt. Bread , @Muer'ci , but also anyone else interested.

I would like to implore you to vote for [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body , at the very least. I understand that most of you are leery at the prospect; and that some of you might just oppose N'Gir on principle. I can understand that.

However, I do think there is an argument to be made that a Federal peacekeeping force is not, in and of itself, bad. It can free up member world formations; it can act as disaster relief force; it can intervene in the situations where using a particular member force is problematic, or whenever a more "federal" (for the lack of better term) response is needed. I also think that is a sentiment that most of us agree on in practice.

However, I also see that many of us are reluctant to entrust this duty to Starfleet. Some don't want to bloat our mission statement even further. Some want no pound for space to mud. Some are concerned about the power it would hand to Starfleet itself, especially since scant decades ago Starfleet and MACO conspired to kill Klingon Chancellor and attempt to kill our own president. Some just want to screw N'Gir. Some are opposed to a Federal force. Some are satisfied with current arrangements. And so on.

Perhaps it is both presumptuous and meta of me, but if the sentiment is leaning towards establishing a peacekeeping force anyway however, I implore people to consider Independent Body option.

I have spoken on this before, and I continue to believe that in our current predicament, it is the best option.

It is not quite what N'Gir wants. More importantly, it will allow the Peacekeeping forces to focus entirely on their job, and on doing it in a fashion that satisfies fundamental principles of the Federation. They will not be a military force, and by retaining operational independence, neither will they be shackled to the military. More importantly, we can ensure that Council and member worlds will have greater insight, and input, on what is actually going to happen.

Fundamentally, I don't think this is a job for Starfleet. There is only so many things we can take care of in any given time, and I think more autonomy, and increased focus on their mission will make Peacekeepers more effective, and consequently reduce the chance we fuck something up. At the same time, Peacekeepers would be able to coordinate and share information both with us and the FDS. In addition, if we're planning to eventually make Peacekeeper corps independent, then I think it is redundant to have them part of Starfleet; why not make the effort and ensure they are independent from the get-go, and have the capacity to back it up?

This goes out to anyone undecided, or on the fence. Most importantly, don't ever think you vote is insignificant. Vote like the being Councillor Stesk knows you can be.


- Paid for by Independent Peacekeeper Corps Action Plan Committee
 
Okay

[X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body

[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[X][AUX] By itself

[X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Jun 29, 2017 at 5:09 PM, finished with 55776 posts and 40 votes.
  • [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
    -[X] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
    -[X] Runabouts and Shuttles
    -[X] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
    -[X] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
    -[X] Runabouts and Shuttles
    -[X] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
    [X][CARGO] Look to expand Starfleet's Auxiliary production through the use of general-purpose berths.
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] Write-in details of preferred arrangement: Organic shipping - might need even more surge on the logistics end
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Andorian Peacekeepers
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Implement a system of compensation (rental of ships) to member worlds
    -[X][PAY] PP
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command under Starfleet Tactical, and will be subordinate to Starfleet Security until its size increases to a point where a separate command is warranted
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
    -[X] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
    -[X] Runabouts and Shuttles
    -[X] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organisational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorised mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to expand Starfleet's Auxiliary production through the use of general-purpose berths.
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with MACOs (war-fighting capacity)
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    --[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards if that is insufficient may be considered.
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
    -[X][FDS] Organic Ships for consideration, Starfleet based deployment capacity preferred.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
    -[X][Support] Shuttle craft and runabouts may be integrated later, but generally they would be unnecessary anyway.
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
    [X][CARGO] Look to expand Starfleet's Auxiliary production through the use of general-purpose berths.
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with MACOs (war-fighting capacity)
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Member Worlds for delivery
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
    [X][CARGO] Write in: A Self-supporting Fleet
    -[X] Aim to have Starfleet's Fleet Support loop logistics requirements fully covered, the Feeder loop 75% covered, and the Industrial loop 75% covered by 2322.
    -[X] Build another four dedicated auxiliary berths and assign general purpose berths as necessary, with member yards used if there are an opening.
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    -[X][STAR] Rear Admiral Michael Thuir will be its first commander.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
    -[X] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
    -[X] Runabouts and Shuttles
    -[X] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
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Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Jun 29, 2017 at 5:10 PM, finished with 55777 posts and 41 votes.
  • [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
    -[X] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
    -[X] Runabouts and Shuttles
    -[X] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
    -[X] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
    -[X] Runabouts and Shuttles
    -[X] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to expand Starfleet's Auxiliary production through the use of general-purpose berths.
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] Write-in details of preferred arrangement: Organic shipping - might need even more surge on the logistics end
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Andorian Peacekeepers
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Implement a system of compensation (rental of ships) to member worlds
    -[X][PAY] PP
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command under Starfleet Tactical, and will be subordinate to Starfleet Security until its size increases to a point where a separate command is warranted
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
    -[X] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
    -[X] Runabouts and Shuttles
    -[X] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organisational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorised mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Amarkian Gendarmes
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][CARGO] Look to expand Starfleet's Auxiliary production through the use of general-purpose berths.
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with MACOs (war-fighting capacity)
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    --[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards if that is insufficient may be considered.
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
    -[X][FDS] Organic Ships for consideration, Starfleet based deployment capacity preferred.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
    -[X][Support] Shuttle craft and runabouts may be integrated later, but generally they would be unnecessary anyway.
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
    [X][CARGO] Look to expand Starfleet's Auxiliary production through the use of general-purpose berths.
    [X][PEACE] Place under Starfleet Tactical
    -[X][STAR] A robust organizational charter in consultation with the Pacifists, including authorized mission types and the requirements for deployment on each. Organic ships.
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Ships
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with MACOs (war-fighting capacity)
    [X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Runabouts and shuttles (will require temporary access to Starfleet Shipyard Industrial Command resources, causing some delay)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Member Worlds for delivery
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
    [X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
    [X][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
    [X][CARGO] Write in: A Self-supporting Fleet
    -[X] Aim to have Starfleet's Fleet Support loop logistics requirements fully covered, the Feeder loop 75% covered, and the Industrial loop 75% covered by 2322.
    -[X] Build another four dedicated auxiliary berths and assign general purpose berths as necessary, with member yards used if there are an opening.
    [X][PEACE] Write-in: Ranger Corps
    -[X][STAR] The Starfleet Ranger Corps will be a new command directly reporting to Commander, Starfleet.
    -[X][STAR] Rear Admiral Michael Thuir will be its first commander.
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions
    [X][SUPPORT] Write-in: Metric Tonnes of Pennies
    -[X] Design a new Fast Transport class suitable for transporting small and bulk cargo, as well as people.
    -[X] Runabouts and Shuttles
    -[X] Use Sol's Heavy Industrial Complex for production
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
    -[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
    [X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
    [X][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
    [X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
    -[X][AUX] By itself
    [X][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
    [X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
    -[X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure
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I am not going to weight in on the whole logistics issue, as I do not understand it enough. But here is my 2 cents for the Peacekeeper issue.

This is not a current Starfleet capability that is missing, or a capability that Starfleet should have in my opinion.

This whole Peacekeeper deal is not something Starfleet should meddle around with, especially when it is being politicized this heavily. This is not and should not be our headache.

Therefore I vote:
[X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
- [X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure

A consolidated Federation Peacekeeper forces - as a slightly more militarized police unit - is not a bad idea at all. So let's create them as a FEDERATION branch instead of STARFLEET branch.
Where will they get experienced leaders? Presumably by hiring from people who know what they do: It's not like there is a deficiency of ability in the Federation, what with all the Caitian Frontier police and other such member groups.
Where will they get the transports? Short term, borrow from member worlds or starfleet, then build their own transport vessels. I hear there are many shipyards that could house a couple new berths dedicated to these people, or maybe lend some from the Federation members like we've occasionally done. Ultimately not our headache.
Who will pay the bills? The Federation, presumably.
Who provides control and oversight? A new commander, presumably chosen by the Federation Council or the President, and who answers to the council or the president. Not our headache; not our problem to justify to the Council.

Maybe this will cut into our resources. Fine. Such is life, Starfleet will adapt, particularly with the influx of new members about to happen, as well as all the new mines being built. But that also means that in the long terms such an organization will need to justify their use of those resources; either such an organization is needed, in which case the Federation is stronger for it, or it is not so needed and will be scaled back independently of us. Not our headache.
Maybe someone will use them too aggressively. Fine. Then they get to justify it to the council without involving us and maybe the FDS gets to hate on someone new for a while, while the Peacekeepers (and whomever commands them) find their balance.

Basically, I'm all for a consolidated Peacekeeper police force in the Federation.
Just not Starfleet.
So let the people who've made this into a political issue do the politics and assign the people and find the funds and build the berths. Starfleet will only advice as needed. If all goes well: Great! Go Federation! If it doesn't go so well, Starfleet wasn't heavily involved in making it go bad, maybe the people in charge need to look into the mirror.
If President Catty wants these forces so badly, she can invest her own time making sure they serve the needs of the Federation, instead of presuming to dumb the whole mess on our lap to solve, apparently ignorant of the history for why Starfleet doesn't have boots to put on the ground.

And I don't buy the argument that only Starfleet can make the Peacekeepers happen the Federation way. We have an entire Federation full of Federation-minded people, and entire police service forces and paramilitary units from all the member worlds they can hire from.
If Starfleet is the only place people like that can be found, there is a far deeper issue lurking in the shadows than just the existence of Peacekeeper corps.
 
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I strongly believe peacekeeping is already a major part of our existing mandate. We already regularly insert ourselves in to cultural issues, border disputes, trade agreements, internal conflicts, factional diplomacy. Both in-quest and in the shows the ships are regularly deployed to negotiate settlements, bring disagreeing factions together, or prevent tensions between groups from escalating. Showing the flag to keep a lid on trouble is a thing we do.

The notions @Alastor Mobius Toth suggest - that we should avoid doing (too much) diplomacy, that we should not be involved when there is dissatisfaction with the government, that we should not be involved when two or more groups are in cultural conflict - are all against what Starfleet already does and against what Starfleet is designed to stand for. Peacekeeping is already our job, we just currently do it based in space.

Additionally, we had operational command over both ground elements, the Aeroknights and the CFP, in the Syndicate campaign. We specifically assigned a commander to direct that, not an advisor, not a liaison, we specifically put T'Lorel in charge. We've even just learned that we had ground elements in our forces before.
 
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Alastor Mobius Toth said:
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I've got no problem with a peacekeeping force. But it has to actually be a peacekeeping force... some sort of amalgam of the FBI and Texas Rangers (not the sports one). However, I believe that mission will be best served by placing them under the FDS. They know where hot spots will be before we get the mayday call.

I'm also leery of giving SF the ability to assault Starbase 1 or Paris and exfil with the president or infil with a photon torpedo.

As an aside we have three member armies if needed, so I don't think the peacekeeping force will ever get all that large. Besides we seem to follow the Great Britain model: massive navy with a small well trained standing army
 
[X][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[X][AUX] By itself
--[X][AUX] Surge supplemented by other Member yards if that is insufficient may be considered.

[X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
-[X][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
-[X][FDS] Organic Ships for consideration, Starfleet based deployment capacity preferred.

[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police

[X][SIZE] Should be smaller, 3 battalions

[X][SUPPORT] Groundcars and Aerobus attachments (small industrial requirement)
-[X][Support] Shuttle craft and runabouts may be integrated later.
 
Simon_Jester said:
He even SAID " (if you give me a eat-cake/have-cake write-in it will go badly)," although that was in the context of the logistics vote.
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Point - correcting my vote. Also, an independent body, regardless of how it was coached by the president, does make more sense. And yes, I prefer the term Ranger Corps

[X][PEACE] Suggest an independent body
-[X][NEW] Organic Infrastructure
-[][NEW] Organic Ships (believe this is covered by the above)
[X][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
[X][SIZE] Should be larger, 12 battalions

[X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
 
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I'm tired...

I think I'll step down posting.

Iron Wolf said:
Guys Oneiros is asleep so let's really fuck with him when he wakes up by giving the FDS 12 Battalions of MACO Level troops.

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[Χ][PEACE] Put it under the FDS
-[Χ] Organic Ships
-[Χ] Organic Shipyards
-[Χ] Organic Starbases
-[Χ] Organic Mentats
-[Χ] Organic Battlecruiser Support Fleets
-[Χ] Organic grass-fed free range beef
[Χ][GEAR] Should be more in line with the MACOs (war-fighting capacity)
[Χ][SIZE] Should be Army Group-sized - large enough to occupy a sector
[Χ][SUPPORT] Make the FDS pay for it
-[Χ] Aerotanks and Battlecruisers


All of those are 'GREEK CAPITAL LETTER CHI'
 
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