To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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@OneirosTheWriter what are the likely political consequences of opposition here? Will Sulu be fired if he opposes both measures?
@OneirosTheWriter - Something I noticed about the two votes. For Peacekeepers if we accept them the Pacifists lose votes and the Development party gains them while if we reject them that is reversed. For Cargo ships though if we accept then Expansionists lose votes while Development party gains that but there is no mention of the reverse being true if we reject them.
So does the Expansionist party gain votes if we reject the cargo ships or does the rejection just maintain the status quo for them?
So does the Expansionist party gain votes if we reject the cargo ships or does the rejection just maintain the status quo for them?
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[X][PEACE] Upset the apple cart
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Probably reiterating talking points but I do not want us to get forced into a peacekeeping role on a permanent basis. Instead having it run through the council and in conjunction with forces from member worlds seems the best way to keep the federation tied together.
As for cargo we are already working on this. Though one thing I want to do is both to expand our current auxiliary yards and at some point setup heavy industry at Amarkia for the aux yards to use.
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Probably reiterating talking points but I do not want us to get forced into a peacekeeping role on a permanent basis. Instead having it run through the council and in conjunction with forces from member worlds seems the best way to keep the federation tied together.
As for cargo we are already working on this. Though one thing I want to do is both to expand our current auxiliary yards and at some point setup heavy industry at Amarkia for the aux yards to use.
pheonix89
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I suspect if it came down to it N'Gir would find herself no confidenced'd for that. Sulu's probably more popular than she is, and given the kind of shenanigans she's up to asking for his resignation would look like an act of petty spite rather than anything really justifiable.
I mean seriously she's planning on adding an entirely arm to Starfleet without even consulting Starfleet. Christ what the fuck N'Gir.
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The President isn't going to love you for this, but you'll be using the rest of the Council to talk instead of you for the most part, so your opposition will be less noticeable.
However, she would have been hoping that her pick for Commander of Starfleet (not that she had a great variety of choices) would have gone along with at least the first major policy initiatives of his tenure.
Expansionists gain an electoral edge if you reject, yes.
lbmaian
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For the cargo issue, there would be no need for Sulu to publicly* express his opposition, if N'Gir consulted with him in the first place!
* to the whole Council presumably, rather than the Federation public
pheonix89
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If she wanted a friendly Commander of Starfleet she should have been less of a bitch to his predecessor and shouldn't have blatantly insulted the entire organization.
If she wanted support on her first policy initiatives she should have done something normal. Not something bugfuck nuts like adding an entirely new pure combat arm to Starfleet while actively hiding the discussions from Starfleet.
And she shouldn't be trying to force a temporary patch on a structural issue we're already working on.
No shit.
If she'd just ASKED we'd have tried to talk her into going for an actual fix rather than a patch. But she didn't so she's getting torpedoed.
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If we also consider what she thought when looking through the candidates:
It seems likely that she'll appoint Lathriss as Sulu's successor if she's still in office then.
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It's almost like this is a blatant political power play.
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[X][CARGO] Avoid
pbluekan
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Not like it matters, given that is our choice.
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I mean we have already told aux command that the Apiata yards is open for the next few years barring repairs. It is frustrating as if she had come and talked to us first we could have informed her how we were working on the cargo issue and also why Starfleet does not have a major groundside force.
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Vote weights are a thing in this quest. If in character she would really like a non "old guard" CoSF votes for Lathriss could count 2x as much, or more.
We might not have been given old guard options had she enough influence and possibilities.
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These proposals seem like things cat president put forward to ram through parts of her own agenda with the backlash her own world's councilors have. I'm also kinda apposed to anything that gives Development an edge over Expansionist.
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These proposals seem like things cat president put forward to ram through parts of her own agenda with the backlash her own world's councilors have. I'm also kinda apposed to anything that gives Development an edge over Expansionist.
If anything, Starfleet is best served by a mix of Pacifist and Expansionist presidents. Which may sound crazy, but frankly? Those pacifists are of the 'avoid violence if possible' school of thought, rather than the 'avoid violence at all costs' school. And Starfleet can work with that. Stesk might not like it when violence is needed, but he and his fellows will visit violence upon others if they must.
pheonix89
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Eh, Development isn't the problem, assuming they don't go for ratification moratoriums constantly.
N'Gir is the problem.
Look at this - landslide opposition to a goal we agree with because it's a naked power play and the implementation is very bad.
N'Gir is the problem.
Look at this - landslide opposition to a goal we agree with because it's a naked power play and the implementation is very bad.
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Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
I'd rather not delay all of our builds. Also, I don't want to give Development any more support.
No. Just, no.
We're working on it, and don't need the conditions.
The issue is that 1) we have to set aside a large chunk of PP for 3 years, and 2) we lose expansionist support.
Expansionists are the most pro-Starfleet.
This settles it.
I hope N'Ger loses reelection. Honestly, I'd like a Pacifist/Expansionist coalition. This will certainly help.
[X][PEACE] Upset the apple cart
[X][CARGO] Avoid
