Nervos Belli
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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
- Thread starter OneirosTheWriter
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Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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- Liberl Zemuria.
I found it and yes the Betazoids do have a second One Megaton Berth. I am not going to change my vote since it will give them a third One Megaton Berth so I don't think they will complain all that much over the mistake.
- Location
- Austin, TX
While it might be old, the Current Fleet Status section reads:
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/to-boldly-go-a-starfleet-quest.32005/#post-6857359
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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Their income is tiny. A third berth is entirely useless to them.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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But not to us. I firmly advocate for them to have the third berth. We can pay for it for them if necessary since it will give us a valuable repair berth when the time comes.
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- Austin, TX
Thanks! Changing my vote, at least.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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A repair berth on the opposite side of the Federation from where all the fighting is going to be for the next decade. If you want another berth, make it someone who can actually use the thing regularly, and is in a position to be useful.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
- Location
- Getter Valhalla
We're better off building our own 1mt berth somewhere then, and letting the Betazoids focus on improving their economy for their Long Term goal.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Source in 2315.Q2 (all the 2313-started berths have finished by then):
They're building cargo ships?
I know they're still building a Renaissance with ETC 2317.Q2. They're also seem to be doing 2 Patroller-A refits every quarter, but the MWCO updates are rather confusing here - they only have 6 Patrollers to refit, the refits only take a single quarter each, and I'm not sure when they started (edit: earliest possible is 2315.Q2.M3 due to 2315.Q1.M2.F1 vote, which is practically Q3), so I can't tell if they're all finished yet. They're also supposed to be working on freighter started in 2314.Q4, which should still be ongoing (should be a 3yr build).
@OneirosTheWriter, what are the Betazoid building right now?
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- Mid-Atlantic
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out: Voshov
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Pick three ships to give +1 Crew Rating: Courageous, Odyssey, Tarrak
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
I wouldn't have voted for it myself except I thought they had ONE such berth, not two.
@UbeOne , could you please either take that information down and replace it with a description of where to find up-to-date information, or update it? I don't mean to be snippy about this, but we could have made a nontrivial policy mistake here because I relied on something that presumably hasn't been updated since before the Betazoids built that new berth, rather than trying to locate the specific line I was looking for somewhere else that I'm not accustomed to looking for it.
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Pick three ships to give +1 Crew Rating: Courageous, Odyssey, Tarrak
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
Josh, there are a LOT of other one-megaton berths out there operated by nations with considerably larger economies. Trying to force Betazed, one of the economically lowest-power members of the Federation, to build disproportionate infrastructure useful only for outsiders, after we just built a pair of our own berths in their star system, strikes me as grossly unreasonable and unfair as a burden on the Betazoids. They're highly likely to simply ignore our recommendation in that case.
I wouldn't have voted for it myself except I thought they had ONE such berth, not two.
...My fundamental mistake, as the guy who set this off, was relying on obsolete information from the top of the Ship Design Bureau thread rather than looking for the information somewhere else.
@UbeOne , could you please either take that information down and replace it with a description of where to find up-to-date information, or update it? I don't mean to be snippy about this, but we could have made a nontrivial policy mistake here because I relied on something that presumably hasn't been updated since before the Betazoids built that new berth, rather than trying to locate the specific line I was looking for somewhere else that I'm not accustomed to looking for it.
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Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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- Liberl Zemuria.
Good point Simon_Jester. Consider my vote changed.
My personal policy on any informational post in a quest like this is to date it or date the information.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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- Liberl Zemuria.
Someone really needs to go back and update all of that information so that its current. Just so we don't make the same mistake again.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
If you want to volunteer, go ahead.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
I've been meaning to start up a spreadsheet to track ongoing member world build history ala our the shipbuild planning sheet, but next on my list of TBG things to do, after fixing some audit sheet stuff, is to try addressing performance complaints on the ship design spreadsheet.
Someone please do this.
Someone please do this.
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- Australia
I've got enough spreadsheets on my plate <.<
Unfortunately, I can't make the master shipyard roster public because it also has the Cardassian yards and the like.
Unfortunately, I can't make the master shipyard roster public because it also has the Cardassian yards and the like.
Nervos Belli
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- Murica
What if we promise super solemnly not to abuse the information?
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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- Liberl Zemuria.
Just edit out the information about the Cardassian shipyards and everything about them that we don't know about. as well as anything else that you think we don't need to know about.
I actually have been keeping a Federation members and affiliates spreadsheet based on the information you gave us. Though I'm missing the Orion shipyards.
Boldly Go Shipyards
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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Or we could not give the QM even more work and just make do with what we have.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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- Liberl Zemuria.
I was joking.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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- USA
@OneirosTheWriter, Ked Paddah and Laio are considered as affiliates now (for their affiliate crew bonus at least), and Ked Paddah at least were shown in a 2315 Q3 MWCO update. Is there a particular reason they're not being shown in this 2316 MWCO report?