Will bells/chimes be an option?
It's one reading of Ling Qi's name!
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It's one reading of Ling Qi's name!
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Really? Because if true, I don't care if it's not efficient, we totally need a xīzhàng.
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*sighs* So is anyone actually willing to reconsider their votes or am I just talking to a brick wall?
@yrsillar could we add on asking if Meizhen could set up sending the letter/money to Ling Qi's mother for us after the discussion about helping with her task while we provide the Spirit Stones? We could coach it as us being wary of Inner Sect relatives of Kang Zihao and his lackies ambushing us?
Selling shared access to the vent is creating/strengthening a relationship "built on practical mutual advancement". If you actually think we're going to keep all this up as the pressure mounts then I don't know what to tell you. I mean for goodness sake, it's been over 3 months both in and out of quest and we still haven't voted for a Su Ling hunting/friendship option.
People were completely fine with letting our Han Jian social link decay all this time, keeping this tenuous balance up isn't going to happen. Merge the groups to cut down on actions that are spread out or cut them off.
@yrsillar could we add on asking if Meizhen could set up sending the letter/money to Ling Qi's mother for us after the discussion about helping with her task while we provide the Spirit Stones? We could coach it as us being wary of Inner Sect relatives of Kang Zihao and his lackies ambushing us?
This won't be fixed if we don't do it ourselves and you people are opposed to it out of some paranoia that even with our ok to good social stats it'll explode.
Selling shared access to the vent is creating/strengthening a relationship "built on practical mutual advancement". If you actually think we're going to keep all this up as the pressure mounts then I don't know what to tell you. I mean for goodness sake, it's been over 3 months both in and out of quest and we still haven't voted for a Su Ling hunting/friendship option.
People were completely fine with letting our Han Jian social link decay all this time, keeping this tenuous balance up isn't going to happen. Merge the groups to cut down on actions that are spread out or cut them off.
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Well at least for me she's not that interesting a character. If people wanted to do that I wouldn't really care either way. So I'm fine with keeping her as a somewhat friend of a friend.
Article: 铃 Trad. 鈴
líng
(small) bell
CL:隻|只[zhi1]
聆
líng
to hear
to listen
to understand clearly
零
líng
zero
nought
zero sign
fractional
fragmentary
odd (of numbers)
(placed between two numbers to indicate a smaller quantity followed by a larger one)
fraction
(in mathematics) remainder (after division)
extra
to wither and fall
to wither
The many possible meanings of Ling
That we never stated which character exactly leads to a lot of room for wordplay!
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If your trying to make people switch there votes you are going about it completely wrong. Your vote is losing and that's a sucky feeling but you don't have to make your post so aggrevated when someone votes for a different plan or ask them if you can convince them to change their votes. People will change their votes if they feel like it, the best you can do is post your reasons why you think it's for the best and hope people change their mind
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
I'm sorry everyone, but I'm now committed to Ling Qi picking up the Monk Staff as a weapon. I know many of you don't appreciate the necessity of this, but that's because you didn't grow up watching Slayers, and hence don't appreciate the absolute necessity of being creepy with a Monk Staff walking though the mist.
I can only look down on you with pity, knowing how bereft your childhoods were.
That is all.
Interesting. Any special meaning to the name Qi?
Yes I know why people want Meizhen to befriend the nobles, the long term family problems that we know very little about.
Eventually I would be fine with that but right now there is an easy way to boost her that would also increase her social skills and make future interactions easier. Talking to people.
What I am trying to say is that even if you want to bring all of the friendgroups together. In the short term its a lot easier to social the outcasts together.
It's not like befriending them will make her reputation worse and if someone in the thread added them to her group in the tally column I think it's likely that some of the people in story already believe that they are in her faction. Also they don't really lose anything from joining her either.
She could support hunting and healing just as easily as the noble group could. After all it's not like she has a stone shortage. Sect points are there to stop nobles from buying everything out with stones and she just casually paid what 200 for healing and a house.
If we want to help the outcasts why don't we take actions to make healer girl and fluffy tale as friends and followers of Meizhen rather then trying to explicitly link them to the nobles and leaving her out of the action.
I'm thinking formations with healer with the free action invite her to join. Or talk about another hunting action and asking if she wants to come with. Something to see how they interact together when not just cultivating. They have been together enough that the intimidating aura is probably gone.
Right now we are trying to make two of our friends to get along with the friends they like the least. Rather then the friend that they know and work with out problems.
As for not helping her that's wrong, it doesn't help her family but forging ties between the forest brigade and the nobles might actually weaken her. because picking up unattached cultivators with talent strengthens your position see our recruitment and we would be giving them to the nobles.
"sorry i'm leaving and don't have time to name search".
On phone I have a minute
Personally if she needs a significant ally I would be suprised. Cai might be setting herself up as the leader but the fact is she stepped in to stop an unfair fight so it's not like she's a bad one. I don't believe she only stepped in to show dominence or knock down the other fighter either.
One on one fights she can handle and if they attack right after another we should be able to make an alliance with cai because she hates that.
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Plus, at a certain point, we will be able to help them more with their cultivation and they can help us with practical combat skills. We are already at the point where we are equal in cultivation to their leader, we are now even more valuable to have with their team. I don't think they will try to push us away because they don't like how fast we are cultivating. If anything, I'm beginning to believe they will try to bind us closer to them in order to have another big hitter in their mix.
The more I'm thinking about it, the less I'm convinced about all the doomsaying that we will have to break off their alliance because we can't maintain it. We have proven that we are a valuable cultivator. We are advancing fast, we have the skills and arts that allow teams to absolutely dominate on the field of battle, and, with our presence at the meeting, we have just become a major player on the stage of this classes sect politics. The reasons are piling up for Han Jian and Co to want to keep us around, have us train with them, and further tie us to their group.
As long as we can deal with, A: their jealousy of our progress; B: not betray them; and C: not try to usurp leadership, then I don't see Han Jian and Co giving us up easily. Admittedly they are teenagers, but I am seeing Han Jian getting over his jealousy sooner rather than later and realizing that even if he isn't cultivating as fast, he has us on his team and not against them. We are not the leadership type right now, and I don't see anyone talking about trying to usurp leadership of that group at any point.
There have been statements in regards to betrayal if we don't give them the vent and I find these confusing. They have been given resources by their families and have also located and secured additional resources for their own personal cultivation. These resources are probably excellent, and would dramatically help us cultivate if we had access to them. However, I don't see anyone complaining about their betrayal of us by not giving us their resources.
Any complaints about us lying to them by neglecting to tell them the fact that we have found an Argent vent is grounded on the premise that they don't already know we have found something in the mountains. We go and disappear multiple times a week into the mountains, and if I was Han Jian or Xiulan I would figure that we have found a tasty location in the mountains. Every action we take where we are not trying to be stealthy is being watched by others in the sect. The fact that Xiulan or Han Jian and Co haven't asked us about where we go during the week tells us something about their expectations of sharing resources. They don't expect us to share resources that we have found, and they don't expect to share resources they have found with us.
There is, of course, the counter example of Xiulan sharing the hot spring with us, which doubled as a cultivation site for fire/water/earth arts. However, it appears that many people had already found it, and Gu Xiulan values it more as a place to relax and hang out with her only female friend.
We are an increasingly valuable asset to team Han Jian, and I don't see them getting rid of us even if we don't share with them the vent. Sharing the vent with them will increase the rate that they cultivate, to be sure, but they seem to be progressing at a decent pace already, evidence by the fact that the group was one of the ones present at the council of strongest people, and the only insecurity they feel is the rate that we have been growing.
I know that these topics have been discussed before, and almost to the point of ad nausem, but I feel that as a creator of a plan I should communicate my thoughts and feelings on the matter, which have evolved over the 20 or so pages of discussion about it.
I am always willing to reconsider my votes, even when I have a plan that I created in play. In fact, I have considered doing so many times this voting cycle but eventually decided against it. There are a couple of problems that I find with the plan "Cultivate like a social animal."
The very first thing that makes me dislike the plan is the formatting of the plan. I understand what is attempting to accomplish, and I can respect those goals, but I see a whole lot of conditions and free actions between multiple action blocks. This makes reading the plan confusing for me, and I disagree on principle with having multiple free actions, even if they are doing the same thing, after multiple actions.
The second thing that I dislike about the plan is that it doesn't address the whole backlog that we have accumulated. It addresses neither the tokens or sending money to mother. I prefer sending money to mother because that is part of our roots and as the water spirit discussed in Zhou's trial, our roots are damaged by frost preventing us from flourishing. Hopefully, this action will bring some peace of mind to Ling Qi.
The third thing that I dislike about the plan is the goal of the plan in general. As my comments above have hopefully communicated the stance I take on the issue of sharing the vent with Han Jian and Co, and why it will not be a disaster, I would be remiss to vote for a plan that goes against those thoughts.
I appreciate it!
I don't like bells or chimes in general as a combat musical instrument, as I think they are a bit too clunky and easily damaged, but I can appreciate the thought.
As long as we don't become blind because of it.
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I'm sorry everyone, but I'm now committed to Ling Qi picking up the Monk Staff as a weapon. I know many of you don't appreciate the necessity of this, but that's because you didn't grow up watching Slayers, and hence don't appreciate the absolute necessity of being creepy with a Monk Staff walking though the mist.
I can only look down on you with pity, knowing how bereft your childhoods were.
That is all.
Hey!
I detest the vile accusation I would not know Slayers!
This said, staff!?
Pah!
Dragon slave and Ragna Blade for life!
...or, rather, death.
Horrible, horrible cessation of existence.
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Who would need the moon spirit's patronage when we have the opportunity to do Giga Slave and try and bind the overlord of nightmares?
Although at that point we have diverged so far from support to combat mage that it wouldn't be funny.
Although at that point we have diverged so far from support to combat mage that it wouldn't be funny.
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I was under the impression that arts have less dice per action spent though.
Although looking at our last turn, with pills stacking we can compensate. As we had +9 from pills to FVM cultivation
Although other votes cultivate AS and also cultivate other things with that elixer too. Getting up to effectively 4/3 or 5/3 actions for AS
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This just illustrates my point, either we get everyone into a big group so we can save on actions to interact with them like how Li Suyin and Su Ling come together or social links will be forgotten/decay due to conflicting voters who like some characters but not others or don't see what the benefits will be and the MUST TRAIN crowd saying we should cut down on social because we aren't safe and have to get to insertlevelofpowerhere right now.
Even if we do this emergency life support for our relationship with Han Jian, what's the point if we just ignore him again afterwards? We'll just be right back to where we are now but with wasted actions we could have sunk into something more useful. If people aren't committed to following through and just plan on stringing him along then we should just cut ties and be done with it instead.
Except that was specifically allowed by the QM? Seems a bit silly.
The backlog can wait till next turn, it's not going anywhere.
Or y'now they don't actually know we found something, Su Ling hunts spirit beasts and gathers herbs, they likely assume we're doing the same or are exploring or they don't actually think we found a site as good as the Vent considering the Icy Spring only gave +1 and Xiulan's mineral spring gives only +3 to Earth Fire and Water Arts.
Hell We only found out about the spring because Xiulan offered it to us just like we'd be offering it to them. Why would they ask us anyway? It would likely come across as pushy or greedy or result in a loss of "face", much better to let us freely offer it just like with Meizhen and the help she gave us like the tea.
Because as I've stated previously those resources are A. finite unlike the Vent which cannot be used up B. needed by them just as much C not really theirs to give without their family possibly getting annoyed and D. not really needed since unlike them we aren't really struggling.
That also completely leaves out the fact that Suyin and Su Ling are even worse off compared to us and pretty much dirt poor now. Selling access would net them tons of Stones and drugs to help their cultivation along.
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Big group interaction explicitly doesn't advance social links and is mostly "and then you all trained together".
We are still going to have to spend individual actions on individual people to develop their SLs
That would be the major problem yes. If we can't be bother to dedicate time to at least start clearing up our backlog on one of the turn's we're in the safest position we're going to be for months in terms of strength and cultivation we might as well give up and go full hermit, cause we're never going to come close to catching up.
Plus as has been pointed out for weeks now if the tokens provide something such as per-week training bonuses every week we ignore them just does us more long term damage.
I also note you're still ignoring the large probability things won't be as easy as just selling the vent and everything going toatally right with no issues whatsoever.
The problem with that being that, well, we haven't tried to get them in on it yet, unless I'm seriously misremembering (also, amusingly, my spellchecker tries to correct "misremembering" to "dismembering").
... Clearly, you and I have very different definitions of the terms "friends" and "allies". To be more specific, if I can't trust somebody at least almost always, they're going to be an acquaintance at best. And for somebody to actually be a good friend rather than just a friend, I need to be able to trust them to have my back all the time.
Also, how long is the vote going to be open for? I know it's supposed to be closing at some point today, but I'm not sure if that point is in half an hour or five hours or what.
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I bet they do, which is why i am so annoyed we haven't gotten them weeks ago
You are seriously misremembering. We tried to get them together explicitly with the intent of vent sharing. it was a disaster, they bullied su and li and made it clear they dislike them
it was a while ago
That's BFF or spouse. And even then it's easy to overestimate how much of your back they would have
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Doing the medals now stops us from arguing about hte medals going forward. Narrowing the grounds of debate is an incalculably powerful bonus.
Sorry, I should be more clear -- did we explicitly tell anybody (presumably the ones already using the vent) that we're trying to get Han Jian's group in there?
Well then, I'm very glad I don't have your friends (to be clear, I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to imagine what it would be like to have friends that wouldn't be willing to have your back and it really doesn't seem fun).
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I understand your point but I dislike the aesthetic of having all friends into a single group. As has been brought up before, some people just don't get along. I do however think you're exaggerating the cut ties thing. Someone mentioned all the reasons they have to keep us around once they start thinking more clearly and I haven't thought of a reason they wouldn't hold true. Given that, us not interacting with them isn't gonna happen for a while yet if at all.
Well it wasn't a complete disaster the wild duo did get some gains. If we had got anything but a perfect roll for that social and gotten the same result I would be more open to trying to do something involving both groups. Once burned twice shy and all that. However as I said a while back, I'm not as against it winning as I was yesterday even if I dislike it.