Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

I'm not usually one to think the best of people but if we really think them attacking or sabotaging one of our other friends is likely, why are we friends with them? Pragmatism is admirable but that isn't the sort of person I'd want anywhere near us.

Needing Yellow/Silver Arts would be annoying. I think someone said something about likely needing introductory Arts before getting advanced forms?
I think they will only go so far if they get desperate and have people they hate getting what they need being thrown in their face every day. Basically, I think Han Jian is more or less a good guy, Gu Xiulan is a bitch but our bitch, Han Fang is a quite muscly type that's apparently ambitious and dislikes halfhumans, and Fan Yu a prick.

That's OK, they can be good friends and allies, but that doesn't mean you always trust those.

As for needing introductory arts, it's probably me saying this, but we know at least EPC doesn't work like that. It might be only for cultivation arts, but it's also possible we might find some great arts in level 3 that don't have analogues in lower floors. And yes, Yellow is supposed to take a long while, hence why I think the bonus are harder to get.

This is also why I am whining so much about people going from an average of 5cultivation/1social to more than 2social/4cultivation :(
 
Han Jian's making great progress, and he finally believes he has great odds to get in the inner sect. Gu Xiulan somehow is going even faster than him, and have a huge amiable rivalry going on. Except they have noticed the girl who was a first stage cultivator now is mid yello/silver like them. She has no friends and no contacts, and Han Jian and Gu Xiulan can do the math: only 2 out of their three can get in the top 8.

Fan Yu constantly shows more and more hate for Su Ling, and Han Fang is getting more scared. So he does what a good leader does and prioritise his men against enemies. He tells Kang Zihao about the vent Bai Meizhen and Su Ling are using while he makes sure Ling Qi is busy elsewhere. That's just one example. Other examples are Gu Xiulan wounding Su Ling heavily just after she gets to Yellow, or Fan Yu doing something foolish, etc.

They aren't friend. They are not just rivals, even. They actively dislike Su Ling, and places are limited. Han Jian is not going to sacrifice either Han Fang or Su Ling for a stranger.

Errr, you probably got a name or two mixed up in there (why wouldn't Han Jian sacrifice Su Ling for a stranger?), but I'm catching the gist of what you're saying. I'm not going to say haha this is impossible, but if I read an omake along these lines I'd consider it bad fanfic material because there's nothing in the prior text to suggest that they'd do things like this. It'd come shockingly out of the blue.

So, basically, absent the argent vent, he'd do the same thing to any talented person that could threaten his comrades' position, right? Only we've never actually seen him to do that, so, it must mean that the right set of circumstances (a sufficiently talented commoner) just hasn't arisen. But wait, that situation has arisen. So, it's an opportunity cost: it's not easy enough to get to Ji Rong, so he won't go after Ji Rong. That's Han Jian all right, an opportunistic bastard who'd backstab Su Ling or Bai Meizhen after they shared resources with him and trained with him for most of a year for the sake of a kid who his family forced him to become friends with. This sounds shockingly plausible.

But, no, wait, that contradicts basically all of his previous characterization.

Has Han Jian actually done anything to make you believe that this is something he'd do? Or is this one of those general xianxia tropes that people who haven't read xianxia can't wrap their minds around? Because from what we've seen of Han Jian, that's not something he'd do. Sure, most people (except for Bai Meizhen) are jealous. Jealousy towards Ji Rong and Ling Qi are natural. If you practiced something for five years and someone comes in and manages to do what you did in three months? That hurts.

But that doesn't mean you're about to stab them in the back or toss them off a cliff for it.

Hell, I can't even really see Fan Yu doing this. He wanted to run around the forest trying to stumble into fights during the first test. He is not a very subtle guy. If he's going to do someone in it's going to be from the front where people can see him coming. He's not intelligent enough to pull off ambushes or long-term cons.

Gu Xiulan might do this. Honestly, I'm of the opinion that she's already doing something like this, albeit in a more romantical direction, trying to keep Han Jian's attention off of us, but that's not something I can really blame her for. Would she try to sabotage Su Ling's chances? Maybe. But as far as we have been able to see, she's mostly tried to stand out... by standing out.

Look, this back-stabbing thing... I find this logic dubious and based on the flawed assumption that was being bandied about earlier that due to our talent 'we are now a threat to these nobles, they will turn on us like a boat flipping over'. I suspect it's bleedover from those who actually read Xianxia and these things just... happen.

No??? Like, try to write it as an omake, envision it in your heads, it comes out farcically. I can't support any positions that I can't imagine, and I can't even imagine Fan Yu doing it and he's the resident asshole friend no one likes. I've even recanted my earlier position that not having them cultivate together would be sufficient reason for hostilities to erupt, and that was something I could see happening, albeit in a cold, gray way where Han Jian and Ling Qi simply parted ways.

This is a setting where talent equals worth. Worth is not something that you dismiss out of hand just because what you thought was a quartz mine turns out to be a diamond mine. They're going to be jealous of us. Yeah. That's normal. That's... kind of what happens when a complete beginner suddenly makes such huge strides that they start eclipsing the regulars on the team. A period of social readjustment will have to occur. Regulars don't want to be benched, they'll work harder.

What they won't do is knife us in the back and toss our corpse off a cliff. Like who exactly do you think we've been talking to for the past three months? Can you really see them doing anything more than maybe being a little more reticent in offering us goodies and advice since we're progressing so fast? Do you think they'll actively try to sabotage us or our friends as opposed to trying to sabotage, idk, their actual competition that's not in alliance with them?

Because if yes, then, fine, I'm all for abandoning these assholes.

But, no, Gu Xiulan's objections to Su Ling were 'she's weak, she'll waste your time, she'll hurt your chances.'

You saw what happened when Cai announced we'd broken through, yeah? Suddenly even Sun acknowledges that Bai made the right choice. If Su Ling's strength increases prodigiously due to her talent, then the nobles who acknowledged her first are not going to get all 'she's the competition! Kill her!' they're going to be seen as particularly perceptive and others are going to go: goddamn they're hogging all the talent.

People are already trying to tempt Ji Rong into their camps. We're going to get offers too.

In a world where sufficiently talented people can shatter mountains, I am pretty sure that the Empire has adopted China's historical policy when it came to foreign invaders it couldn't beat: let them in and then assimilate them. Hence all the people fluttering anxiously around Ji Rong, and a number of people probably going to try making advances towards us. Han Jian wants loyal, trustworthy people working under him and if they're strong, even better.

This is a setting which despises 'dead weight' not 'potential assets.'
 
Errr, you probably got a name or two mixed up in there (why wouldn't Han Jian sacrifice Su Ling for a stranger?), but I'm catching the gist of what you're saying. I'm not going to say haha this is impossible, but if I read an omake along these lines I'd consider it bad fanfic material because there's nothing in the prior text to suggest that they'd do things like this. It'd come shockingly out of the blue.

So, basically, absent the argent vent, he'd do the same thing to any talented person that could threaten his comrades' position, right? Only we've never actually seen him to do that, so, it must mean that the right set of circumstances (a sufficiently talented commoner) just hasn't arisen. But wait, that situation has arisen. So, it's an opportunity cost: it's not easy enough to get to Ji Rong, so he won't go after Ji Rong. That's Han Jian all right, an opportunistic bastard who'd backstab Su Ling or Bai Meizhen after they shared resources with him and trained with him for most of a year for the sake of a kid who his family forced him to become friends with. This sounds shockingly plausible.

But, no, wait, that contradicts basically all of his previous characterization.

Has Han Jian actually done anything to make you believe that this is something he'd do? Or is this one of those general xianxia tropes that people who haven't read xianxia can't wrap their minds around? Because from what we've seen of Han Jian, that's not something he'd do. Sure, most people (except for Bai Meizhen) are jealous. Jealousy towards Ji Rong and Ling Qi are natural. If you practiced something for five years and someone comes in and manages to do what you did in three months? That hurts.

Of course he has done that. We have been with him and been the one to cheer him on when he has done that. What do you think Elder Zhou's test was about? What do you think Gu Xiulan wanted to do in the thunderdome?

He would do the same to any talented person who threatens his dependant's position. It's in his established character. However, those kind of things are also often done because of passion and because of having constant occasions to do so. Han Jian has very limited chances to screw Ji Rong, for example. Likewise, he doesn't see Huang Da every day and have Fan Yu's face being beaten black and blue every couple weeks by him. And so on and so forth.
Look, this back-stabbing thing... I find this logic dubious and based on the flawed assumption that was being bandied about earlier that due to our talent 'we are now a threat to these nobles, they will turn on us like a boat flipping over'. I suspect it's bleedover from those who actually read Xianxia and these things just... happen.

No??? Like, try to write it as an omake, envision it in your heads, it comes out farcically. I can't support any positions that I can't imagine, and I can't even imagine Fan Yu doing it and he's the resident asshole friend no one likes. I've even recanted my earlier position that not having them cultivate together would be sufficient reason for hostilities to erupt, and that was something I could see happening, albeit in a cold, gray way where Han Jian and Ling Qi simply parted ways.

This is a setting where talent equals worth. Worth is not something that you dismiss out of hand just because what you thought was a quartz mine turns out to be a diamond mine. They're going to be jealous of us. Yeah. That's normal. That's... kind of what happens when a complete beginner suddenly makes such huge strides that they start eclipsing the regulars on the team. A period of social readjustment will have to occur. Regulars don't want to be benched, they'll work harder.

What they won't do is knife us in the back and toss our corpse off a cliff. Like who exactly do you think we've been talking to for the past three months? Can you really see them doing anything more than maybe being a little more reticent in offering us goodies and advice since we're progressing so fast? Do you think they'll actively try to sabotage us or our friends as opposed to trying to sabotage, idk, their actual competition that's not in alliance with them?

Because if yes, then, fine, I'm all for abandoning these assholes.

But, no, Gu Xiulan's objections to Su Ling were 'she's weak, she'll waste your time, she'll hurt your chances.'

You saw what happened when Cai announced we'd broken through, yeah? Suddenly even Sun acknowledges that Bai made the right choice. If Su Ling's strength increases prodigiously due to her talent, then the nobles who acknowledged her first are not going to get all 'she's the competition! Kill her!' they're going to be seen as particularly perceptive and others are going to go: goddamn they're hogging all the talent.

People are already trying to tempt Ji Rong into their camps. We're going to get offers too.

In a world where sufficiently talented people can shatter mountains, I am pretty sure that the Empire has adopted China's historical policy when it came to foreign invaders it couldn't beat: let them in and then assimilate them. Hence all the people fluttering anxiously around Ji Rong, and a number of people probably going to try making advances towards us. Han Jian wants loyal, trustworthy people working under him and if they're strong, even better.

This is a setting which despises 'dead weight' not 'potential assets.'
I think you are vastly misreading what went on there. Dead weight are despised. Potential Threats are eliminated. Kang Zihao might act against weaklings, but will act against Ji Rong.

We are respected for our talent. Being respected doesn't mean everyone likes us, it means that people will try to make us into assets. If we threaten their existing assets, however, they get serious about us.

This is not a Xanxia bleedover at all, this is what we have seen happen. This is what we have seen Han Jian do. Same for Gu Xiulan, or Kang Ziaho. We aren't threats to Sun Liling or Cai Rexiang, so they appreciate us so far. Once we become threats, however, the gloves come off.
 
I think they will only go so far if they get desperate and have people they hate getting what they need being thrown in their face every day. Basically, I think Han Jian is more or less a good guy, Gu Xiulan is a bitch but our bitch, Han Fang is a quite muscly type that's apparently ambitious and dislikes halfhumans, and Fan Yu a prick.

That's OK, they can be good friends and allies, but that doesn't mean you always trust those.

As for needing introductory arts, it's probably me saying this, but we know at least EPC doesn't work like that. It might be only for cultivation arts, but it's also possible we might find some great arts in level 3 that don't have analogues in lower floors. And yes, Yellow is supposed to take a long while, hence why I think the bonus are harder to get.

This is also why I am whining so much about people going from an average of 5cultivation/1social to more than 2social/4cultivation :(
Fang is ambitious? He seemed the most secure out of the lot, only one who didn't get tight faced at our rapid advancement. Fan Yu I'd say is too much of a follower to do anything and I'd like to think Jian and Xiulan respect us too much to do something like that. I doubt they'd think they could get away with doing that without making enemies of us and possibly Meizhen. I'd also say there's a difference between accepting someone as a friend who you think may betray you and accepting someone who you think is likely to and I would consider that a betrayal.

Yeah looking forward to reading the upcoming socials but also looking forward to getting past some so we can look into Arts. Though I have mixed feelings about all the future debate.
 
Fang is ambitious? He seemed the most secure out of the lot, only one who didn't get tight faced at our rapid advancement. Fan Yu I'd say is too much of a follower to do anything and I'd like to think Jian and Xiulan respect us too much to do something like that. I doubt they'd think they could get away with doing that without making enemies of us and possibly Meizhen. I'd also say there's a difference between accepting someone as a friend who you think may betray you and accepting someone who you think is likely to and I would consider that a betrayal.
Fang being ambitious mostly come from inferred info like thunder being about ambition, and how he is always the one who works out the most and so on. Fan Yu has already shown he would do something like that. Han Jian respects us, but he won't sacrifice his actual vassals to make us happy. Xiulan likewise is a very direct person. If she thinks Su Ling is a threat, she'll deal with her accordingly.

I think they won't betray us as long as we are careful, and even then it's not betraying us, it's betraying a friend of us.
 
Yeah looking forward to reading the upcoming socials but also looking forward to getting past some so we can look into Arts. Though I have mixed feelings about all the future debate.

As in the future character debate or the future art debates?

Because I must say, I'm having tremendous fun arguing with @Arkeus about this subject. It almost makes me wish I could get sick leave more often. Alas, I suspect next week I shall be back to having to look greedily in as other people get to argue and I just make one or two comments at 2am right after an update appears before going to bed.

@Arkeus: A toast. I know I haven't convinced you, and I think you probably know you haven't convinced me, but it's been nice to get into the nitty-gritty of character motivations.

(You're wrong though. Han Jian and Gu Xiulan are muh baby boy and girl and I will defend them. :V After some supper)
 
(You're wrong though. Han Jian and Gu Xiulan are muh baby boy and girl and I will defend them. :V After some supper)
You might have noticed, but I love Gu Xiulan to bits. She is fun as hell. I just wouldn't leave her in a room alone with Li Suyin if Li Suyin was going to be the Top 8, Gu Xiulan Top 7, and Han Jian Top 9.
 
Fang being ambitious mostly come from inferred info like thunder being about ambition, and how he is always the one who works out the most and so on. Fan Yu has already shown he would do something like that. Han Jian respects us, but he won't sacrifice his actual vassals to make us happy. Xiulan likewise is a very direct person. If she thinks Su Ling is a threat, she'll deal with her accordingly.

I think they won't betray us as long as we are careful, and even then it's not betraying us, it's betraying a friend of us.
Hmm, interesting point about his affinity/known Art type. When did Fan Yu show that? We've seen him lash out before but nothing to suggest malicious planning. I dunno I just doubt they could weigh any permanent action to impede Su Ling as worth it. Bringing in other cultivators would most likely make things more difficult for them and maiming our friend after we bring them in on this is most definitely a betrayal of trust. Also wouldn't they be even more likely to target Su Ling if they notice her rapid advancement and haven't been told about the vent?
As in the future character debate or the future art debates?
Art debates. I'm just getting flashbacks of the last shopping trip, the multiple pages spent arguing weapons and then the decision to table that discussion for later. The fact that there was so much to get through so that arguments were generally repeated even after being refuted doesn't help. :cry:
 
Hmm, interesting point about his affinity/known Art type. When did Fan Yu show that? We've seen him lash out before but nothing to suggest malicious planning. I dunno I just doubt they could weigh any permanent action to impede Su Ling as worth it. Bringing in other cultivators would most likely make things more difficult for them and maiming our friend after we bring them in on this is most definitely a betrayal of trust. Also wouldn't they be even more likely to target Su Ling if they notice her rapid advancement and haven't been told about the vent?
Oh, I don't think Fan Yu would plan things. I think he is too hotheaded for that. I do think that if he gets beaten by Su Ling after he goes too far Han Jian won't be that understanding. No Gu Xiulan.

Rapid advancement of people make them at risk yeah, but I think there is a difference between seeing someone all the damn time catching up to you and being a bitch to your friends and just noticing there are other talents coming up in the year.
 
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@yrsillar Does Forgotten Vale Melody require a woodwind instrument or do stringed instruments work with it also? I ask because bow-strumming can be musical and so forth and presumably Expression covers it even if we lack a specialty.

[X] Plan Backlog, Cultivation, and Helping

The way it was originally written it's meant for woodwind instruments, but I'll probably change the references to 'instrument' so you guys can branch out if you like.

Hmm, Incidentally @yrsillar

"Use of the Production Hall", does that mean "Actually get to talk to the really good craftsmen to make a commission?" Or more "You want a good set of tools? Get this many points"

It means getting to use the professional grade tools in the Production hall. Not terribly relevent for Ling Qi at the moment I know

@yrsillar From Elder Su's lesson about Yin and Yang aligned arts and elements, do we know if metal is yin aligned? Just want to make sure about that. I know some people are pretty confident that it is, but I just can't remember if it was ever stated definitively.

Levels of cultivation, to my understanding, are
-Mortal
-Red
-Yellow
-Green
-Violet
-White

These are for the spiritual cultivation for a total of 5 actual cultivation levels (because we discount mortality)

For physical cultivation there is:
-Gold
-Silver
-Bronze
-Steel
-Adamantium

Whether elements are yin or yang can vary depending on the art. Metal leans yang though

I believe that the various levels were specifically listed at some point.

Actually, @yrsillar, could you possibly put stuff like the list of cultivation levels and the important characters in the Informational threadmarks?

EDIT: And I was ninja'd by the levels.

I'll see about doing another informational post at some point. If someone wants to keep and update a running measure of important characters I'd be willing to offer omake rewards for it though

So, I was thinking of the tournament for top 8 at the end of the year.

And I've decided that after hacking @yrsillar's computer it will be a free for all tournament. It basically means that it includes such things as the characters of the various contender, the alliances they have made and their ability to deal with real life.

It's totally not because it basically ensures us winning.

Oi, none of that now.

@yrsillar I think that the front page is missing "Socialize 1/6" from this update.

fixed

Regarding the whole Han Jian's group thing: honestly, the way I see it is that we either have to at least make an attempt to get them in on the Argent Vent in the next week or two at latest, or resign ourselves to a (probably fairly acrimonious) falling out when they discover that we'd been hiding it from them. I mean, a real life comparison would be something along the lines of having a way to make like a thousand dollars on the side of your main job every week, and not even bothering trying to get some of your first friends in on it because you were afraid of potential fallout. I know that in that position, I'd try to get them in on it anyway, and if something bad happened, at least I tried to do right by my friends.

On a different subject, am I right in concluding that every month has been four weeks? If so, @yrsillar, can I suggest alternating four and five week months, as two months is roughly nine weeks? To be clear, here's the numbers as far as I can see them:
A month is ~30 days (the majority are actually 31, but 30 is easier to calculate. Then there's February... seriously, what was the idea behind that?)
Two months is ~60 days (actually, generally 61 or 62, which plays into my main point even better)
A year is 365 days, or 52 weeks (with the number of weeks being the important bit here)
So, converting that to weeks:
Four weeks is 28 days (slightly shorter than a month (well, unless it's February), but not a big deal for just a single month)
Eight weeks, however, is 56 days (nearly a week short of two months)
As you get into longer time spans, it gets worse, to the point that twelve months of four weeks each would come out to only 336 days -- a whole four weeks short of a year.
Now, granted, alternating months of four and five weeks from the beginning would have come out to a total of 54 weeks, which is a couple more than there should be. However, given that we've had three months of four weeks already, and we're midway through a fourth month, starting this alternating pattern in month five would give us exactly 52 weeks -- (4x4 = 16) + ((4x4+4x5) = 36) = 52

As such, @yrsillar, I propose that after this month you start alternating four and five week months, most likely with the even months (months 6, 8, 10, and 12) having five weeks both to give you more time to adjust the system and so we have that extra week in the last month. You could, of course, come up with an explanation about why this world's year only has 336 days, but honestly I think all of us questers would appreciate an extra four weeks.

Also, to the rest of the questerbase (is that a word): what do you think -- good, bad, "You're crazy, Kyr'am," something else? I'd love some feedback given that I came up with this at 12:30AM.

Ehhhhhh not earth, rotation is different *handwaves* might do the thirteen month lunar calender thing though.

Okay got those answered, less than I thought there were. This is going to remain open today as things aren't exactly one sided and as I said, I'm gonna be busy today.
 
@yrsillar, in our talk with Bai Meizhen about the requirement for inner sect, while it did give us a lot of key information we didn't think to ask, it glossed over why we were asking: knowing whether we were expected to be mid/late green and thus Argetn Genesis would be a green tech (so we aren't losing the second tier Argent technique bonus) or whether being in green would be a bad idea as it means not getting Argent Genesis in yellow/etc.

Is it something you can tell us, or is it something we should pay a lesson from an inner sect disciple in order to know?
 
*Shrugs* Frankly, I think people are overlooking something important when it comes to Han Jian.

Han Jian and Bai Meizhen are separate factions and belonging to one means you're not in the other. You may be a good friend of someone in Han Jian's faction, you may be a welcome guest at their training, but if your ultimate loyalty is to Snekgirl then Han Jian really has no reason to treat you like one of his own- because you're not his own, you're Snekgirl's.

Ling Qi might not have officially gone to that meeting as Snekgirl's 'second' but she made no objection when she was characterized that way. As far as Han Jian and company are concerned, that's what Ling Qi is- Bai Meizhen's second.

We may have had an idea that we'd be one of Han Jian's subordinates in the distant future but at this point it's just not something he regards as realistic- not only are we too talented, our loyalties are too suspect. We 'Snekgirl maid/spy' now. That's not the end of the world where he's concerned, and we can still be a valuable contact and a good friend of one of his most loyal and resourceful subordinates, but any deal we propose will almost definitely be viewed in that context.

Because of that, I don't see the vent as a secret we'd be expected to share- friendship aside, Snekgirl is the strongest and most politically powerful person who knows about it and from a certain point of view Su Ling and Li Suyin are probably Bai's lackeys. We'd no more be expected to share knowledge of the vent than we'd be expected to bring him Meizhen''s tea.
 
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@yrsillar, in our talk with Bai Meizhen about the requirement for inner sect, while it did give us a lot of key information we didn't think to ask, it glossed over why we were asking: knowing whether we were expected to be mid/late green and thus Argetn Genesis would be a green tech (so we aren't losing the second tier Argent technique bonus) or whether being in green would be a bad idea as it means not getting Argent Genesis in yellow/etc.

Is it something you can tell us, or is it something we should pay a lesson from an inner sect disciple in order to know?

Genesis starts at Late Yellow, but cannot be mastered until green.
 
Hmm, so if the "mastered" part of the Genesis is during Green I guess that we cant get a "Argent Soul Mastery" bonus for the Yellow->Green breakthrough. But we can probably get one for EPC...
 
What we really need from the archive is an art that does direct damage and synergises well with our current ones, something assassination based ideally.
 
I'd still want to get Genesis as far as we can get it within the confines of Yellow just to be sure.
 
I'd still want to get Genesis as far as we can get it within the confines of Yellow just to be sure.
The question is whether it's worth forcefully staying in Yellow for that. If there is more than Cai/Sun/Bai/Ji in green, we just can't afford not to get to green too.

So I'd think that even if we plan on staying in yellow we must at least have 2 breakthrough success on both spiritual and physical by month 11 just to be sure, and honestly It might not be worth waiting for.
 
Hrm. I'm starting to agree with @drake_azathoth. We did bring in Meizhen asap but not HJ and Co., and I think that's when it became more clear that if it came down to HJ or Meizhen, we'd choose Meizhen. Han Jian thinks so too - because he deliberately did not mention us as someone he feels "responsible" for.

I've recalibrated my expectations. I'd like to stay in friendly contact with Han Jian, stay good friends with Gu Xiulan, and if we personally see anything we think might help them (compatible talismans won from a fight, for ex.), we can give them a heads up or just give it to them like we did Suyin. We think training with HJ and Co. is valuable, but we may have been underselling ourselves as a potential training partner and contact for them. There aren't that many friendly 2nd realm cultivators to spar with so they are receiving benefits as well.

In that case, I'm fine with my River vote. It does the actions I consider pressing (mom, Meizhen) and maintains friendly contact with HJ while getting us some valuable info. I'd like tokens, but I'm OK with picking it next week to sync with the Suyin social action for synergy.
 
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I'm doubtful that it wouldn't be worth it. We have proof with the whole AS4 thing before breakthrough granting bonuses being a thing. Given they're in the same tree of cultivation arts I figure they'll follow similar trends. AS was about setting the stage. I figure Genesis follows similar trends so skimping on that isn't something I can support. Unless we get IC confirmation from a reliable source. Just like with AS... If we didn't get the proof I think we would have finished AS5 'just to be sure'.
 
"Friendly relationships" aren't bad, either. We can be a good friend to Gu Xiulan while just having a frendly relationship with the group itself.

Likewise I want to make inroad on Gan Guangli, as if I am seeing things right he might be another of those potential good links for the army and inner sect. We don't need to be heavily allied to him, just friendly.
I'm doubtful that it wouldn't be worth it. We have proof with the whole AS4 thing before breakthrough granting bonuses being a thing. Given they're in the same tree of cultivation arts I figure they'll follow similar trends. AS was about setting the stage. I figure Genesis follows similar trends so skimping on that isn't something I can support. Unless we get IC confirmation from a reliable source. Just like with AS... If we didn't get the proof I think we would have finished AS5 'just to be sure'.
We just got confirmation from Yrsillar that we don't get a mastery in Yellow for Argent Genesis. This means no bonus.
 
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The question is whether it's worth forcefully staying in Yellow for that. If there is more than Cai/Sun/Bai/Ji in green, we just can't afford not to get to green too.

So I'd think that even if we plan on staying in yellow we must at least have 2 breakthrough success on both spiritual and physical by month 11 just to be sure, and honestly It might not be worth waiting for.

Honestly AS was very worth it, and I expect Genesis to be as well.
We speculated earlier that at least some of the higher born disciples were sent here explicitly to learn the "Ardent" chain of techniques, after all.
 
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