Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

To be clear here, I'm going to try and push through and aggressive cultivating plan next week, and the week after we need to start taking sect missions and exploring the mountain more. After that, I'll vote against plans like this, because it will have been too long, and trying it will just break the relationship faster, so I see it as throwing good money after bad.
That sounds fine to me. I'm only mildly more invested in sharing the vent over not sharing it. Two weeks isn't anything crazy relationship wise.
 
Yes, reminder that we need a minimum of, if we spend something like 30-60 spirit stones a week for cultivation, 24 weeks in order to get to peak spiritual/physical. We have 38 week lefts. We really can't afford to be playing around and getting into bad habit about cultivation.

We have been having having much more socials than usual even if you consider breakthroughs cultivation for the past two weeks (average used to be 5cultivation/1social, we are now averaging 4/2), and increasing the social actions by another notch on average is just going to make things worse.

Especially as Token/Mom/Meizhen are all beginning of quest chains.
 
Next week I agree we should go in on trying to share the vent.

I would like to see
-[]cultivate _____ with li suyin and su ling
--[] propose idea to su ling and li suyin about training with han jian and Co. in exchange for vent access
-[]train with han jian and co.
--[] along with su ling and li suyin make proposal to han jian and Co.
 
Yes, reminder that we need a minimum of, if we spend something like 30-60 spirit stones a week for cultivation, 24 weeks in order to get to peak spiritual/physical. We have 38 week lefts. We really can't afford to be playing around and getting into bad habit about cultivation.

We have been having having much more socials than usual even if you consider breakthroughs cultivation for the past two weeks (average used to be 5cultivation/1social, we are now averaging 4/2), and increasing the social actions by another notch on average is just going to make things worse.

Especially as Token/Mom/Meizhen are all beginning of quest chains.

Exactly. Like, Arkeus and I are usually on the opposite side of actions. I can't think of a time we agreed on something and it lost.

I'm at my limit for proping up Suyin and for soothing ruffled feathers with Han Jian and gang. We do what we can to clean up this social chain this turn, and are done. If they fall off after this... well, we're going to leave lots of people behind on the path of cultivation.
 
+rubs tokens+
I will stand by you guys.

Anyway, it's not like people need to get all the SLs in the Inner Disciple ring during the first year in, as noted, we can still visit Outer Disciples on the town, to send power-ups as needed. Sucks, but that still exist.

Han Jian wants to prove himself, but that I am thinking that it is not jealousy that will break the Social Link. Instead, it will be shame on his own self and his own push to cultivate that alienate others, perhaps even his own group, because he can't find success in proving himself, and thus letting down his friends.

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[X]Plan Discharging Debts
-[X] Resources: 3 Red Stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Argent Accumulation (Cost 2), Argent Elixir (Cost 10), Gushing Spring Pill (Cost 2)
-[X] Look into sending some money to mother
-[X] Help Suyin train and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Argent Soul
--[X] Request to Su Ling and Suyin that you would be allowed to negotiate Han Jian & co. access to the Vent, in return for rewards for both
-[X] Train with Han Jian and his group
--[X] Physical
--[X] Ask what the tokens left from the test was for
-[X] Try to spend some time with Han Jian, in order to hint that you have found a resource site
--[X] But you found it not solely on your own merit, and thus you would have to request a fair bargain for a third party, who had felt the pain of being pushed off their resource before
-[X] Cultivate on your own
--[X] FVM
-[X] Discuss with Meizhen what you can help her with


Something-something mercantilism, whatever. :p
 
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So Li Suyin turned into a snake pliskin cosplayer.
Ling Qi became even more handsome... or Amazonian i guess.

At this point we look a lot like meizens handmaid or something, everyone seems to think so anyway.

Did they mean something special when they said "second"? In the meeting
 
Honestly, doing nothing and just not ever telling Han Jian or his friends about the Argent Vent is a more reliable route to continued civility than trying to smush everything into a big pile of angsty questionably-sociable teens right this second.

If Han Jian wants to be moody about being overcome, let him. He's shown a heartening degree of maturity in that while he has shown distress over Ling Qi's progress, he's also apparently acknowledged to himself that she worked hard for it, so I'm not that pessimistic. But if he's that envious or self-critical or whatever, there's nothing we can do about it, and giving him free stuff is a weird solution. Maybe giving him a Su Ling to chill with more comfortably would work, but our fiery girlfriend might have objections.

The whole vent sharing thing just seems founded on simultaneously giving our associates too much and too little credit.
 
My personal rough thoughts for the future, assuming River wins this week -

Week 16 - Suyin Formations + Tokens; Finish AS5, Start SCS
Week 17 - 4-5 x meridian opening in preparation for Arts, EPC
Week 18 - EPC, SCS, Spiritual, Physical, Sect Quest, Social

From then on, spiritual and physical, EPC if we can raise it, one art (FVM / SCS > ZB2 > Arm-Spine-Head Art > CFWA), rotate socials unless we need a social week. I'd definitely like to do an explore action to see if we can find a darkness qi locus though. Sect quest at least once a month.

... I know we just got the 6th action, but hopefully, we can get a 7th action soon too...
 
Hmmm... okay, so a bit over 30 weeks of cultivation, let's say - give Ling Qi some padding to deal with setbacks. What should she look like come end of the year?

Well, first off - how serious to go for the "inner sect disciple" status. Inner disciples almost certainly get better rewards, probably have better opportunities and so on - however, it does leave her exposed to the intrigue of her new peers, so she'll need to not only be strong enough to get one of those slots, but have sufficient alliances (or ability to get them) with either her fellow competitors or the other inner sect disciples to help her deal with schemes against her specifically or the new inner disciples in general.

Ling Qi does currently have access to a cultivation art and a couple of combat arts that are likely to be something for her to work on for some time - and sect missions might give her opportunities for more goodies. On the other hand, waiting a year means a year of not having access to inner sect goodies - and losing the aura of 'rising talent' that she seems to have developed so far and that would probably gain her Elder-supplied opportunities. On the balance... I think she should definitely go for it.

So... the tournament*. The likely competitors for "top 8" are in the meeting; there's almost certainly a couple of others who declined to attend who were eligible, maybe one or two of those who are attending who wouldn't compete (due to outside obligations, noble ties or misfortune), and there's the possibility of some of those who aren't yet at the top to come across great fortune or get massive supplies from family to accelerate their progress. Of those there, Ling Qi is *probably* on the lower end in terms of combat prowess and cultivation... for now. It'll be pretty hard for her to beat the top three or four to Green by the end of the year, unfortunately - they just have too much of a head start *and* their talent isn't much worse than hers. Still, if she keeps up both spirit and physique and gets them to -mid or -late status, she should be fine cultivation-wise.

All of her serious competitors should probably have mastered Argent Soul not too long after she herself does, so they'll be reaping the benefits for cultivation for at least a half-year. Now, a decent number won't have had the benefits of Argent Soul 4/5 for their breakthrough to Yellow/Silver, so she gets a touch of an edge there. Most of them will have another cultivation art they're working on - although Ling Qi's Eight Phase Cycle is probably of higher quality than most of theirs'. Likewise, many will have some fairly good combat arts, while Ling Qi will have a couple of her own unique ones that should compare favorably.

Tentative goals for Ling Qi, year's end:
* Late Silver Physique, Late Yellow Spirit.
* Argent Soul 5, Eight Phase Cycle bottlenecked at whatever cultivation level she hits.
* Sable Crescent Steps, Forgotten Vale Melody, ? and ? either mastered or capped by cultivation level (two additional Arts that go well with her existing set).
* Meridians enough for her whole range of Arts, Qi at least 50 (My first guess for the 'bonus' levels for these is 10 meridians and 40 qi).
* Attributes ranging from 4-6 (4/6/5, 4/4/4, 4/5/4).
* Expression, Formations, Stealth, Athletics, Unarmed, Dodge and Throwing at 5. Empathy and Persuasion at 4; assorted other social skills at 3.



* Yes, there's the non-combat competition - if Ling Qi makes significant progress in study of and use of formations, she might be eligible for that path (I would expect that one formations guy at the meeting, Xuan, might well do that)... depending on how many of her fellow outer sect disciples ignore martial discipline in favor of "production". I think it's more viable for Ling Qi to use formations to enhance her performance in the tournament though.
 
Hmmm... okay, so a bit over 30 weeks of cultivation, let's say - give Ling Qi some padding to deal with setbacks. What should she look like come end of the year?

Well, first off - how serious to go for the "inner sect disciple" status. Inner disciples almost certainly get better rewards, probably have better opportunities and so on - however, it does leave her exposed to the intrigue of her new peers, so she'll need to not only be strong enough to get one of those slots, but have sufficient alliances (or ability to get them) with either her fellow competitors or the other inner sect disciples to help her deal with schemes against her specifically or the new inner disciples in general.

Ling Qi does currently have access to a cultivation art and a couple of combat arts that are likely to be something for her to work on for some time - and sect missions might give her opportunities for more goodies. On the other hand, waiting a year means a year of not having access to inner sect goodies - and losing the aura of 'rising talent' that she seems to have developed so far and that would probably gain her Elder-supplied opportunities. On the balance... I think she should definitely go for it.

So... the tournament*. The likely competitors for "top 8" are in the meeting; there's almost certainly a couple of others who declined to attend who were eligible, maybe one or two of those who are attending who wouldn't compete (due to outside obligations, noble ties or misfortune), and there's the possibility of some of those who aren't yet at the top to come across great fortune or get massive supplies from family to accelerate their progress. Of those there, Ling Qi is *probably* on the lower end in terms of combat prowess and cultivation... for now. It'll be pretty hard for her to beat the top three or four to Green by the end of the year, unfortunately - they just have too much of a head start *and* their talent isn't much worse than hers. Still, if she keeps up both spirit and physique and gets them to -mid or -late status, she should be fine cultivation-wise.

All of her serious competitors should probably have mastered Argent Soul not too long after she herself does, so they'll be reaping the benefits for cultivation for at least a half-year. Now, a decent number won't have had the benefits of Argent Soul 4/5 for their breakthrough to Yellow/Silver, so she gets a touch of an edge there. Most of them will have another cultivation art they're working on - although Ling Qi's Eight Phase Cycle is probably of higher quality than most of theirs'. Likewise, many will have some fairly good combat arts, while Ling Qi will have a couple of her own unique ones that should compare favorably.

Tentative goals for Ling Qi, year's end:
* Late Silver Physique, Late Yellow Spirit.
* Argent Soul 5, Eight Phase Cycle bottlenecked at whatever cultivation level she hits.
* Sable Crescent Steps, Forgotten Vale Melody, ? and ? either mastered or capped by cultivation level (two additional Arts that go well with her existing set).
* Meridians enough for her whole range of Arts, Qi at least 50 (My first guess for the 'bonus' levels for these is 10 meridians and 40 qi).
* Attributes ranging from 4-6 (4/6/5, 4/4/4, 4/5/4).
* Expression, Formations, Stealth, Athletics, Unarmed, Dodge and Throwing at 5. Empathy and Persuasion at 4; assorted other social skills at 3.



* Yes, there's the non-combat competition - if Ling Qi makes significant progress in study of and use of formations, she might be eligible for that path (I would expect that one formations guy at the meeting, Xuan, might well do that)... depending on how many of her fellow outer sect disciples ignore martial discipline in favor of "production". I think it's more viable for Ling Qi to use formations to enhance her performance in the tournament though.


Posting from my phone.

Taking this a step further - we can figure we have between 15 and 20 social actions left before Thunderdome part 2. Some of our remaining actions will be devoted towards quest chains and some of them will be devoted towards research topics and other single events. Some towards the job board. Take that out and yeah 15 20 social actions
 
Breach of Rule 3.
...do reread the last interaction between both groups.

We had four successes on four dice.

The result was that we barely avoided a disaster.

How about you reread the goddamn interaction. That wasn't "a narrowly avoided disaster" that was just people not getting on perfectly.

It would have been fixed with a Xiulan action and a Suyin one since Su Ling didn't give a fuck and Suyin just needed some reassurance don't be dumb and paranoid.

Fuck we only needed at least one success anyway.
The vent doesn't belong to us alone. It isn't betrayal, it's acknowledging loyalty to a wider group of people and respecting property.

Inviting 4 more people to use this resource w/o asking is a) incredibly rude, b) a betrayal, c) contrary to our previous choice of specifically asking Suyin and Su Ling before inviting Bai Meizhen.

tldr: get off the Han Jian ship and onto solid earth.
.............bringing them in involves asking dummy, the same way we brought Meizhen in. I'm just opposed to the idiots fretting over how this will be horrible and evil of us towards Li Suyin and Su Ling if we even bring it up.
Eh, they are keeping stones and arts for their own cultivation. Is that betrayal?
No? This is a super powerful and vastly unique non-depleteable resource we could share that would vastly help them and we know it. We don't need their stuff but they do need ours.
I really think the actions towards a shared vent won't work, so for me it's a deal breaker and I'll never vote for River as long as it has that.

I think it will and you're just being paranoid like the rest.
Honestly? How does this action fix jealousy? That's never gonna go away. Especially as we pull further ahead. We can patch it up but it'll just fall apart again. Unless he stops feeling jealous period the friendship is doomed. People have speculated that Gu only has us as a friend. Well if thats true and we're relatively close and she was jealous about our progress then what about Han? We're much less close to him. Also if we spend so much time with him our friendship with Gu will fall apart given her territorial tendencies. It's pretty much a no-win scenario unless we're willing to dedicate time to just those two. Then our 'wild' group will deteriorate. I'm probably exaggerating a bit here but it's certainly possible unless things somehow get miraculously better with Han.
You are, to the point of lying and doomsaying

[X][stat] Dexterity
[X] Plan Backlog, Cultivation, & Helping

I can appreciate the intent of Coursing River- but I've always considered the idea of bringing our two circles of friends close together, especially this quickly a huge mistake. You want an impoverished cultivator and a heavily stigmatized bastard to get along with minimal friction with a gang of tight-knit fairly insular nobles- even if they're pretty chill as far as nobles go.

I hate to break it to people, but sometimes your friends don't get along with each other, and we've seen nothing to indicate that as collective groups they can really get along. For all Li Suyin's new determination, all it takes is Fan Yu making one asinine comment about her losing her eye being a good thing and she's either depressed or trying to rupture his veins. Su Ling is also going to be interested in Han Jian at a time when Gu Xiuling is more insecure than ever.

It doesn't matter if Han Jian's a decent guy, it doesn't matter if objectively such an alliance makes sense- there's an immense cultural and class gap that neither side has shown any interest in actively overcoming. Both groups are wary of the others; Li Suyin and Su Ling see rich and powerful nobility seeking any advantage when they already have so many (and are able to potentially better exploit their sole advantage) and they aren't even necessarily wrong. Han's gang sees a weak-willed cultivator (that they'll probably learn is from a disgraced family) and a kitsune rape-baby, both are stigmatized in a society where 'Strength is the first virtue' and strengthening such questionable characters when they likely know entrance into the Inner Sect boils down to a tournament isn't appealing.

It just feels overly optimistic. Best case, we get the business transaction going down and have to try and serve as an arbitrator keeping everyone honest. Worst case Han Jian and Co. will make the decision they value the Argent spring more than our friendship and force us into a confrontation over this. It's actually a pretty profitable course of action for them- they have several Yellow-tier cultivators and extensive team training, if Bai Meizhen wasn't a factor it would be trivial for them, as it stands they still might be able to pull it off if they played smart. The fact remains, any spirit stones and talismans they're giving our two friends are items they're not using to secure sect points and their own position- there can only be 8 Inner Peak disciples and as a tight knit group they're probably counting on trying to move move up mostly as a group. That doesn't leave much room for Su Ling and Li Suying at the winners' table and I doubt the two will be willing to swear off trying to gain entrance to the Inner Sect considering it might be the key for Li Suying to get strong enough to heal her eye and Su Ling is surprisingly proud in her own way.

TLDR: The Argent vent situation is really complicated, it exploded in our face when we tentatively tried before and it's not liable to go over that much better this time around. If this means we're at risk of breaking ties with Han Jian's group- that's sad but thems the breaks, at least we can still be Best Snek's second and have our two plucky minions underlings friends on our side. I know I've effectively had to choose between two circles of friends at times.
Stop lying, the only sticking point is the Suyin-Xiulan situation and that's been dealt with. Su Ling doesn't give a shit and even Fan You approves of Suyin's healer abilities.

[X] Plan Backlog, Cultivation, & Helping
[X][stat] Dexterity

Sharing the vent would be a massive mistake. Best case scenario is we slowly drift away from Han Jian and company. It's sad, but I just don't see the current situation as sustainable.
That's quitter talk, the vent changes the "current situation"
@Andelevion Since you're a Han Jian fan, you should probably be aware that you're rolling for an action to see how well he takes being told we have this super valuable resource, but we aren't willing to share it for free, he and his friends have to pay talismans, stones, and training to access it. I suggest voting for [] Plan Daughter of the Moon or [] Plan Backlog, Cultivation, & Helping if you want to avoid letting it win.


[X] Plan Daughter of the Moon.
It's like you didn't even read @DarkLight140's post explaining why this view is wrong and too damn 20th century.
The biggest issue is that it really isn't our info to give. We promised the other two girls we won't spread this info around. this is breaking this promise
How the fuck is ASKING the two of them beforehand breakig the promise?
Hmmm.... What I'm about to say might seem scandalous, but joining the two groups together is not my hill to die on. There have been some extremely good arguments for both sides of this contentious debate, but at the moment I am starting to lean towards removing that sub vote and merely trying to shore up the SL with Han Jian instead of trying to do this negotiation and trying to join the two groups together.

However, I feel that with the amount of passion that some of the people voting for my plan have defended the subclause it would be a betrayal of their trust in the plan to change it now.

The hill I am willing to die on is the preservation of the Han Jian social link. Would the people voting for my plan be willing to let the matter about merging the groups together lie for the week so that we can instead focus on preserving the social link?

At this point, there has been no change in the plan, and until the people voting for my plan come to a resolution on the matter there won't be.
No there haven't the people objecting have made stupid paranoid arguments or completely insane ones! Like even asking Suyin and Su Ling being some "betrayal" or it "merging" the groups instead of just a business arrangement.​
While it pains me, the subclause opening the vote for the possibility of sharing the vent has been removed from the plan "As swift as a raging river."
Ugh why did you have to listen to the idiots?
My votes gone from you as well Thor's.

I'm just not sure people understand or empathize what Han Jian's group is going though. They feel they aren't advancing quick enough, they see someone who only started cultivating when she came to the sect start surpassing them, they helped that girl out and specifically Han Jian stuck his neck out for us when his teammates were against it, and we benefited from it. We have access to a valuable resource that they have great need off, and not mentioning it is frankly going to ruin the friendship. We kept something they desperately wanted and likely believe they needed a secret from them. We didn't even try and offer it to them.

That is friendship ending. They stuck out their necks for us, and you guys aren't even willing to try if there's a chance of failure. The chance of failure is also small when you consider the price isn't going to be extortionate, Ling Qi herself wouldn't be taking any of it, Han Jian is a naturally emphatic individual and trades of this variety should be common knowledge among nobles, and the value of an equivalent in resources is substantially more expensive. That's without considering the site can combine it's bonuses with resources, nor that they can draw upon their families resource base to enhance their growth. Nor the sheer length that value can be had, given at minimum the Inner Sect test is in 9 months.

The argument about merging of groups is also rather poor given for me that's never what it's been about. I wouldn't even argue that Ling Qi is apart of Han Jian's group as she's clearly still on the outside given they grew up with one another, but they interact with one another and have a mutually beneficial relationship. Just as Bai Meizhen is capable of working together with Su Ling and Li Suyin, yet I certainly wouldn't class them as part of the same group. This should be what the aim is, there is zero need for friendship to develop although it's beneficial, merely that they each benefit from working together. For christ sake Huang Da is still using the vent!

It's frankly for me one of the definitions of an adult. Being able to work together with someone you don't socially like. Yet you do so because it's required whether because of employment or famiy or spouse, or because you mutually benefit from doing so.

THIS! THIS! THIS! YOU IDIOTS!^^^^^^^^
Quite honestly, I feel that we need to make inroads with Han Jian as a friend before we try to merge the groups together like that.

Also, I have changed my plan regarding this four different times. There are serious arguments to be made for joining the groups together, but I won't feel comfortable with it until we know that we want to stick with Han Jian's group longer term. In order to do that, we will need to spend time with him and get him as a friend.

We aren't getting him as a friend unless we do something big like the vent just bite the bullet and suck it up.

EVERY TIME. Y DO THIS

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[X] Plan As Swift as a Coursing River
Don't vote for it it's a stupid plan vote for [] Plan A Cultivator is a Social Animal

Han Jian is too nice a guy to get mad over the girls getting a fair compensation for such a great resource.

+rubs tokens+
I will stand by you guys.

Anyway, it's not like people need to get all the SLs in the Inner Disciple ring during the first year in, as noted, we can still visit Outer Disciples on the town, to send power-ups as needed. Sucks, but that still exist.

Han Jian wants to prove himself, but that I am thinking that it is not jealousy that will break the Social Link. Instead, it will be shame on his own self and his own push to cultivate that alienate others, perhaps even his own group, because he can't find success in proving himself, and thus letting down his friends.

[X][stat] Dexterity

[X]Plan Discharging Debts
-[X] Resources: 3 Red Stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Argent Accumulation (Cost 2), Argent Elixir (Cost 10), Gushing Spring Pill (Cost 2)
-[X] Look into sending some money to mother
-[X] Help Suyin train and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Argent Soul
--[X] Request to Su Ling and Suyin that you would be allowed to negotiate Han Jian & co. access to the Vent, in return for rewards for both
-[X] Train with Han Jian and his group
--[X] Physical
--[X] Ask what the tokens left from the test was for
-[X] Try to spend some time with Han Jian, in order to hint that you have found a resource site
--[X] But you found it not solely on your own merit, and thus you would have to request a fair bargain for a third party, who had felt the pain of being pushed off their resource before
-[X] Cultivate on your own
--[X] FVM
-[X] Discuss with Meizhen what you can help her with


Something-something mercantilism, whatever. :p
You're just throwing your vote away

[X] Plan A Cultivator is a Social Animal
 
Posting from my phone.

Taking this a step further - we can figure we have between 15 and 20 social actions left before Thunderdome part 2. Some of our remaining actions will be devoted towards quest chains and some of them will be devoted towards research topics and other single events. Some towards the job board. Take that out and yeah 15 20 social actions

Oh right, social goals; forgot those
* Further major social connections with: Bai Meizhen, Li Suyin, Gu Xiulan.
** Assist them all in their own goals and cultivation.
* Further minor social connections with: Su Ling, Han Jian.
* Establish at least minor (positive) social connections with one or two of the other major players (the ones at the meeting).
** Guangli and Xuan, perhaps? The former would seem to be relatively easy-going, and the latter could be a major formations' source or cooperator. Cai might be difficult unless Ling is willing to become her follower, at least until towards the end of the year... but if there's opportunity, Ling Qi should take it.
* Improve sect reputation while staying 'watched' or something more positive.
* Shift outer disciple reputation to lack envy, keep 'consideration' or something neutral or positive.

* Resolve Ling Qi's guilt regarding mother; if that leads to some information about her father, hold on to it for after the year's end unless it's urgent.

EDIT: For those arguing over the vent and sharing it... what about seeing if Li Suyin and Su Ling would be okay with striking a deal with Gu Xiulan first? There's less worry about being "crowded out", Gu can be used to sound out the idea of striking a similar deal with Han Jian and the rest. Plus, one of the major issues in bringing the groups together was Gu's reaction to Li Suyin (and a bit to Su Ling); making sure that's settled would leave mostly just Fan Yu's reaction to Su Ling.

Han Jian himself is probably another 'initial deal' option, granted - he seemed to get along with both of the duo reasonably well on the previous attempt, he could offer sword training to Su Ling as part of the deal, and he's probably the ideal person to know how to handle negotiations for his friends to similarly be brought in on the location. He would also probably best understand Ling Qi's position in the matter - after all, she *did* try to bring Li Suyin and Su Ling in to training before, and he's probably socially smart enough to figure out that she was trying to test the waters for something like this (and that it didn't really go very well at the time).

With either, it establishes a pattern where the three who discovered it agree if someone can be 'brought in', and under what circumstances (friends, deals, etc).
 
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I like Han Jian guess i will change.

[X] Plan As Swift as a Coursing River

Well, I'd rather not have to deal with serious social issues down the road, so...

[X] Plan As Swift as a Coursing River



I would say yes to the first point, no to the second. That is, I don't think this will be fixed with only one action, so we'll most likely need to dedicate more, but it does seem to be pretty serious.
[] Plan A Cultivator is a Social Animal

Vote for this! It's going to help our Han Jian social link more than just the talk.
 
@Karugus so your argument is so bad you have to resort to ironic funnies?
EDIT: For those arguing over the vent and sharing it... what about seeing if Li Suyin and Su Ling would be okay with striking a deal with Gu Xiulan first? There's less worry about being "crowded out", Gu can be used to sound out the idea of striking a similar deal with Han Jian and the rest. Plus, one of the major issues in bringing the groups together was Gu's reaction to Li Suyin (and a bit to Su Ling); making sure that's settled would leave mostly just Fan Yu's reaction to Su Ling.

Han Jian himself is probably another 'initial deal' option, granted - he seemed to get along with both of the duo reasonably well on the previous attempt, he could offer sword training to Su Ling as part of the deal, and he's probably the ideal person to know how to handle negotiations for his friends to similarly be brought in on the location. He would also probably best understand Ling Qi's position in the matter - after all, she *did* try to bring Li Suyin and Su Ling in to training before, and he's probably socially smart enough to figure out that she was trying to test the waters for something like this (and that it didn't really go very well at the time).

With either, it establishes a pattern where the three who discovered it agree if someone can be 'brought in', and under what circumstances (friends, deals, etc).
Hmmm @TheLastOne what do you think?
 
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@Karugus so your argument is so bad you have to resort to ironic funnies?

Hmmm @TheLastOne what do you think?

You should avoid doubleposting, but...

I want to avoid making one deal, and then another - it would be both more expensive in actions and expensive in social credit to do it again and again. I would rather just do it once. For all that she takes the lead in our social meetups, Xiulan is the follower and Jian the leader.
 
Stop lying, the only sticking point is the Suyin-Xiulan situation and that's been dealt with. Su Ling doesn't give a shit and even Fan You approves of Suyin's healer abilities.
Alright, you've been making an ass out of yourself for a while here, and while I find it funny- I also find such ignorance abhorrent.

  1. Su Ling was interested in learning from Han Jian about swordsmanship, this pissed Gu Xiulan off as evidenced by the fact the update mentioning them trying to incinerate each other. Gu Xiulan is more insecure about herself now.
  2. Han Fang was leery of Su Ling and we have done absolutely nothing to address that concern.
  3. Fan Yu does approve of a healer, but Fan Yu is also a total asshole who pathologically runs his mouth and Suyin is in a bit of a fragile place right now
  4. Han Jian's group, especially Fan Yu are liable to be a bit more insecure right now. Han Jian and Gu Xiulan are both envious of Li Qing's growth, Fan Yu has to be furious over it, and we know so little about Han Feng it's impossible to say
  5. Su Ling and Li Suyin are even more leery of outsiders right now considering they literally had a Not!Hitsquad breakdown their door, fuck them up, and casually maim one of them while they were nigh helpless.
  6. The imbalance of power here is something tangible. Han Jian possesses one of the largest group of Yellow Cultivators that we are aware of right now, Li Suyin and Su Ling are basically dependant on Li Qing and Bai Meizhen for contesting anything other than scrubs. Presenting something of value when they are relatively so weak is an idea fundamentally anathema to their experiences.
So, please, go on-because the more you spew your worthless ignorance the more transparent it is the issue is incredibly nuanced and complex. I wouldn't be half as leery of the plan to bring the groups together if there weren't people like you making so many assumptions it would be gauche to make jokes.
 
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How hard would it be to claim TWO vents?

"you need more argent gas"
"you require more argent crystals"
"you need to build more relationships"
 
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How hard would it be to claim TWO vents?
It would take quite a lot of actions to find the next one, as we don't even know which mountain another one would be on. Then there is the fact that our group that knows about the vents is very small, and the other vents are probably claimed by inner disciples. So, fairly hard or impossible.
 
By the by, something Ling Qi could do almost in passing is ask Han Jian if there's anything she can help him with. For example, she could be available to help him and his group (or members of it) with larger-scale sect quests. He's probably not worried about attacks (given the size and combat capabilities of his group on the whole).

She can't act as a medium for first-floor archive arts, as the slips are apparently 'locked' to only be able to be used by the person checking them out, but she could help them learn about any arts they might find useful, so they know whether or not they'd want purchase a pass with sect points (I'm not sure if the pass you can 'purchase' is temporary or permanent). Or she might be able to 'charge' a qi card* with one of her skills to give a member of his group a trump card.

Another reason to study some formation practicalities (and perhaps get some more progress in the skill) - it gives her something fairly unique to offer to her allies.

*Incidentally, for those making the currently-ahead plans... now that Ling Qi has hit Yellow and Silver, there's no reason not to charge two of the three qi cards with, say, Crescent Grace. She'll have the qi to do so over the course of the week, and it'll be something she can use herself (to save 5 qi in a fight) or give to an ally as a trump card as mentioned... or to boost an ally in an immediate group fight.

EDIT: Oh, a plot to expect from Kang and followers - trying to frame Bai or Ling Qi as breaking the rules. Or trick them into actually doing so.
 
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By the by, something Ling Qi could do almost in passing is ask Han Jian if there's anything she can help him with. For example, she could be available to help him and his group (or members of it) with larger-scale sect quests. He's probably not worried about attacks (given the size and combat capabilities of his group on the whole).

She can't act as a medium for first-floor archive arts, as the slips are apparently 'locked' to only be able to be used by the person checking them out, but she could help them learn about any arts they might find useful, so they know whether or not they'd want purchase a pass with sect points (I'm not sure if the pass you can 'purchase' is temporary or permanent). Or she might be able to 'charge' a qi card* with one of her skills to give a member of his group a trump card.

Another reason to study some formation practicalities (and perhaps get some more progress in the skill) - it gives her something fairly unique to offer to her allies.

*Incidentally, for those making the currently-ahead plans... now that Ling Qi has hit Yellow and Silver, there's no reason not to charge two of the three qi cards with, say, Crescent Grace. She'll have the qi to do so over the course of the week, and it'll be something she can use herself (to save 5 qi in a fight) or give to an ally as a trump card as mentioned... or to boost an ally in an immediate group fight.

No. We don't have the free actions.
 
No. We don't have the free actions.

Free actions for what - asking him (when they're doing something else, like the "ask about spirits" option) if there's anything she could help him with? Because that's a pretty casual thing.

Cooperating on sect quests? Fairly sure Ling Qi would gain from doing those too, you know.

Studying formations? Dude, I'm very big on Ling Qi learning at least enough about formations for us the voters to know what she might be able to do with them. And, if they seem viable as an auxiliary ability, to pursue them as a secondary field.

Filling qi cards? That doesn't take an action. It only takes qi - which restores just fine on a week's time-scale.
 
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Alright, you've been making an ass out of yourself for a while here, and while I find it funny- I also find such ignorance abhorrent.

  1. Su Ling was interested in learning from Han Jian about swordsmanship, this pissed Gu Xiulan off as evidenced by the fact the update mentioning them trying to incinerate each other. Gu Xiulan is more insecure about herself now.
  2. Han Fang was leery of Su Ling and we have done absolutely nothing to address that concern.
  3. Fan Yu does approve of a healer, but Fan Yu is also a total asshole who pathologically runs his mouth and Suyin is in a bit of a fragile place right now
  4. Han Jian's group, especially Fan Yu are liable to be a bit more insecure right now. Han Jian and Gu Xiulan are both envious of Li Qing's growth, Fan Yu has to be furious over it, and we know so little about Han Feng it's impossible to say
  5. Su Ling and Li Suyin are even more leery of outsiders right now considering they literally had a Not!Hitsquad breakdown their door, fuck them up, and casually maim one of them while they were nigh helpless.
  6. The imbalance of power here is something tangible. Han Jian possesses one of the largest group of Yellow Cultivators that we are aware of right now, Li Suyin and Su Ling are basically dependant on Li Qing and Bai Meizhen for contesting anything other than scrubs. Presenting something of value when they are relatively so weak is an idea fundamentally anathema to their experiences.
So, please, go on-because the more you spew your worthless ignorance the more transparent it is the issue is incredibly nuanced and complex. I wouldn't be half as leery of the plan to bring the groups together if there weren't people like you making so many assumptions it would be gauche to make jokes.
"Blaa blaa blaa we shouldn't even try cause it's doomed to failure and we totally suck at social"
It would take quite a lot of actions to find the next one, as we don't even know which mountain another one would be on. Then there is the fact that our group that knows about the vents is very small, and the other vents are probably claimed by inner disciples. So, fairly hard or impossible.
This one, it's on of the smallest vents on this mountain.
[X] Plan As Swift as a Coursing River
May I ask why and if I can convince you to change to [] Plan A Cultivator is a Social Animal?
 
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