the proposed deal with a joint Academy was that it was seen to benefit Starfleet abd no one else.

I mean, Member World fleets have crew income problems as well. Uggh, it's not that I think my proposal was so great. It's that apparently we can't come up with anything better than more economic development packages that frustrates me so much.

The leading deal right now is probably a good one as it gets the ruling party and the President brownie points and we get an increased voice at the table during peace talks and additional funds and PP to play with.

I feel like you're really straining on those supposed Starfleet "benefits".

I'm going with my original conclusion. Sousa deals are a bad mechanic with an unclear purpose that everyone seems to understand differently, and I can't wait until we can get another Starfleet Commander in place and never have to deal with them again.
 
The problem with academy expansion deals is that the development dudes are already shivering in anticipation for the moment our personal shortage force us to build cargo ships and the pacifists have some hangups with us putting even more of the federations brightest into warships. Creating a successful deal thus is hard.
 
apparently we can't come up with anything better than more economic development packages that frustrates me so much.
I had a vague idea last night about a deal for an expanded exchange officer program... which I guess would be up the Expansionists' alley (improved relationships with affiliates and all), so might not be politically viable. Depends on if we could get the Pacifists on-side as well?
I feel like it's a thing that'd benefit Starfleet, but would require Council approval, so.
Way too late to get it done now in any case, but maybe we can refine it into something useful for next year?

I'm also not sure it'd net us much. Most likely just boosts to diplomacy, though maybe we can get some fraction of a point (possibly even a full point) of officers a year out of it?
 
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I'm going with my original conclusion. Sousa deals are a bad mechanic with an unclear purpose that everyone seems to understand differently, and I can't wait until we can get another Starfleet Commander in place and never have to deal with them again.
I'm in full agreement with you here. Kahurangi's industrial discount was simple and useful in pretty much every single snakepit. The only Sousa deal that stands out to me as a good thing was the aid package for Celos we arranged with the Pacifists.
 
I had a vague idea last night about a deal for an expanded exchange officer program... which I guess would be up the Expansionists' alley (improved relationships with affiliates and all), so might not be politically viable. Way too late to get it done now in any case, but maybe we can refine it into something useful for next year?
Maybe something like: "Direct resources in the FDS [or found a New Affiliates Recruitment Office/Hire A Bunch of Rigellian Marketing Officers] to locate strong candidates for Academy admission in Affiliates and promote service in Starfleet," with the mechanical benefit of an overall increase in Affiliate crew recruitment numbers?

FWIW I do like the Space Academy as well, if only at least because, as a Space Academy, it clearly has to be in space.

space school




On a completely different note, if I was the Mercantalists, I'd start looking at recruiting talent in Amarkia.

Hear me out.

Looking at the map, and now with the (likely) establishment of a critical ship parts facility in the system, Amarkia has the chance to become the major trade hub of the Federation, if not the quadrant. Eat your heart out, Rigel.

When the Orions join, I suspect we will see an additional route open up from Ferasa > Alukk > Amarkia, although the possibility exists for Alukk > Ord Grind Duk > Tellar Prime. The latter possibility would fuck with my thesis though so we're going to ignore it.

This will put the Amarkia system at the middle of raw materials flowing from Gabriel and the manufacturing powerhouses of Earth and Tellar. In addition to raw resources, goods from the Apiata and Indorians will flow through in order to fill needs in the core member worlds and Rigel, later Gaen. Finished goods and resources will flow in from the Caitian economy through Alukk. Amarkia will be close to the market-driven economy and large consumer market of the Union, and with the Aeroknights forging a bond with the Orion people, they may have access to significant talent in its robust financial sector. The possibility with critical starship infrastructure facilities it will become a major shipbuilding hub, which in turn will nudge trade routes towards it.

The joining of the Seyek and the Qloathi will probably only increase the flow along this trade route. In short, Amarkia will be the gateway from the new membership to the old, and I suspect increasing amounts of Amarki will beat their swords into IPOs on plowshare companies.

Christ that was a terrible metaphor. do we even have ipos in 2315?

We did it kids, we're going to turn the honorable warrior knight people into honorable warrior knight-merchants. Nash will be 109 years old, waxing to her 8 adopted kids about how back in the day, Amarki used to be known as the fighty guys and are now the people you have come in with the Tellarites to unfuck your supply chain.

In short, Mercantalist Amarki President 2325

E: looking at it, if Alukk spawns a link between Ord Grind Duk AND Amarkia all this would probably apply to it as well, but that's more expected.
 
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Yeah I see the Amarki system as our second most important system after Sol. We really need to turn it into the Federation's Gibraltar/Malta and hopefully use it as a Theater HQ.
 
Yeah I see the Amarki system as our second most important system after Sol. We really need to turn it into the Federation's Gibraltar/Malta and hopefully use it as a Theater HQ.
I think our Gibraltar is more Apinae. Amarkia is actually pretty deep into our territory.

This metaphor becomes difficult because as per the map we're less a British Empire and more a blob in the vein of the Mongol Empire United States.
 
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[21] Plan: ◈Infra 2.0 — https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8478019
[1] Plan: ◈Intel and Personnel — https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8477675

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[7][COUNCIL] Plan: ◈Colony, UP, and Diplo — https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8477592
[1][COUNCIL] Plan: ◈Research and Intel — https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8477594
[1][COUNCIL] Plan: ◈infra — https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8478115
[1][COUNCIL] Industrial Parks and Academy
-[1] Plan: Night_stalker — https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8478454
[1][COUNCIL] Industrial Parks and Academy 2
-[1] Plan: MTB — https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8478108

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[18][FACTION] Approach the development faction about putting together a general recovery program for the aftereffects of the Licori war. Some of our economies will suffer from war mobiliziation, our allies the Ked Paddah and Gaeni have suffered even more greatly economically, and the Licori themselves will need help on both economic and sophontarian grounds. Regardless of the details of the eventual peace deal we will need to be ready for action across the board.
[11][FACTION] Approach the Developers - Crew recruitment and training is an issue not just for Starfleet, but for all Member World fleets. Propose founding a joint Federation Space Academy based on input from Starfleet and all Member World fleet organizations with the goal of unifying starship crew training standards across the Federation, allowing Starfleet Academy and similar member world institutions to focus solely on service-specific training. (Desired mechanical effect- Improve Crew income, especially officers.)
Total No. of Voters: 35
 
Vote closed, by the way!

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[8][COUNCIL] Plan: ◈Colony, UP, and Diplo
[1][COUNCIL] Plan: ◈Research and Intel
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Task: FACTION

[18][FACTION] Approach the development faction about putting together a general recovery program for the aftereffects of the Licori war. Some of our economies will suffer from war mobiliziation, our allies the Ked Paddah and Gaeni have suffered even more greatly economically, and the Licori themselves will need help on both economic and sophontarian grounds. Regardless of the details of the eventual peace deal we will need to be ready for action across the board.
[11][FACTION] Approach the Developers - Crew recruitment and training is an issue not just for Starfleet, but for all Member World fleets. Propose founding a joint Federation Space Academy based on input from Starfleet and all Member World fleet organizations with the goal of unifying starship crew training standards across the Federation, allowing Starfleet Academy and similar member world institutions to focus solely on service-specific training. (Desired mechanical effect- Improve Crew income, especially officers.)

Total No. of Voters: 36
 
[x] [COUNCIL] Plan Colony, UP, and Diplo
-[x] Request Research Colony at Cronulla VI, 8pp 5 (7) rp/yr, 4 turns
-[x] Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
-[x] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Gretarians)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Yrillians)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Ashidi)
-[x] Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 35pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)

[X] [FACTION] Approach the development faction about putting together a general recovery program for the aftereffects of the Licori war. Some of our economies will suffer from war mobiliziation, our allies the Ked Paddah and Gaeni have suffered even more greatly economically, and the Licori themselves will need help on both economic and sophontarian grounds. Regardless of the details of the eventual peace deal we will need to be ready for action across the board.
 
Is that how it's supposed to work? Because there has been no such guidance that's how it's supposed to work.

My understanding was that it was supposed to be used to get things that Starfleet wants. It seems like you have a somewhat different view, that the purpose of these deals is to enact political changes that the players want to see but that are not usually available to Stafleet commander.

In other words, these deals are not supposed to be of benefit to Starfleet at all, other than in the very limited sense of we think these polticial outcomes will produce a stronger Federation.

Is that accurate?

Not at all. You're looking for the win-win in the deal; things that the politicians can see help them with political problems, sell to the public, and that are good for Starfleet. Of course, being the generous citizens that we are, often we just want things that are merely good for the Federation.

A straight upgrade to Starfleet in some way might be popular in some political environments. For example, if we had Sousa deals at the conclusion of the Biophage emergency, you can bet we'd just be able to ask for a 1.5x academy campus. It would probably cost us favors, but Starfleet was the topic of the hour.

But at no point is the Sousa deal a requisition system for us. It's a political play every time.
 
Not at all. You're looking for the win-win in the deal; things that the politicians can see help them with political problems, sell to the public, and that are good for Starfleet. Of course, being the generous citizens that we are, often we just want things that are merely good for the Federation.

A straight upgrade to Starfleet in some way might be popular in some political environments. For example, if we had Sousa deals at the conclusion of the Biophage emergency, you can bet we'd just be able to ask for a 1.5x academy campus. It would probably cost us favors, but Starfleet was the topic of the hour.

But at no point is the Sousa deal a requisition system for us. It's a political play every time.

Can you explain where you learned this information? Was there an explanation post I missed somewhere? Did you just deduce it by processing a lot of scattered information to come up with what you determined to be the most rational conclusion?
 
I think our Gibraltar is more Apinae. Amarkia is actually pretty deep into our territory.

This metaphor becomes difficult because as per the map we're less a British Empire and more a blob in the vein of the Mongol Empire United States.

Yeah I'm thinking the best equivalent is Texas.

Can you explain where you learned this information? Was there an explanation post I missed somewhere? Did you just deduce it by processing a lot of scattered information to come up with what you determined to be the most rational conclusion?

It's pretty much based on the political game that the heads of various Government Agencies play in Western Democracies.
 
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I've been thinking, with the emperor dead and no clear successor in line, we might consider splitting the Arcadian Empire, approach the more approachable houses and float the idea, assuming an acceptable partition can be reached, because any Emperor put into place due to our actions either direct or indirect, is going to have a lot of internal problems and a legitimacy issue that might force him or her to act against us in some manner.
We might want to put Kortmon's holdings under our administration and probably see if the Ked Paddah wants to do the same with the Ixians, as the former will need a rebuild in a cultural sense, from the ground up, and the latter... well, the KP paid a heavy price.

Keep in mind that we might have to hunt down "rogue" mentants for some time, specially if there are no records or if said records end up being destroyed.
Also, before making a decision, we should talk to the Ked Peddah and see their objectives and goals now that the combat phase of the conflict seems to have come to an end.
NOTE, I am not saying we should split the Empire, just that we might start consider it as an option, since our goals is "no more mentants without supervision" that means we need to have a lot of ground presence throughout the Arcadian Holdings and that might be not viable or even effective. quite frankly I feel we are going to have to find needles in haystacks and keep at it for a long time, specially if we don't try our hand at social engineering.
 
Usually people are not fond of occupation and having their fate decided for them. At least not in a blatantly obvious way.
 
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