To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Given that we're mostly voting to take out a storage silo rather than the installation for the subspace displacer thing, I'd imagine that they could easily get that running again if we wait a month. Also, we want this whole thing done quickly before reinforcements arrive.
That seems unlikely. Given that even Starfleet vessels have self-destructs, I don't see any way we'd be able to take such an installation intact.
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[X] Ixaria Prime - Moon Only (Silo Storage Centre)
[X] Ixaria VI - "Silent Repose"
[X] Ixaria Star
Don't know if future actions in this battle will also be decided by us, but I think that right after taking down the "Silent Repose", those ships might want to take the trading station around Ixaria VI so we can place our auxiliaries out of the range of mines.
[X] Ixaria VI - "Silent Repose"
[X] Ixaria Star
Don't know if future actions in this battle will also be decided by us, but I think that right after taking down the "Silent Repose", those ships might want to take the trading station around Ixaria VI so we can place our auxiliaries out of the range of mines.
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Can you justify this claim at all, given how heavily we most likely outnumber the defense fleet?
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You're referring to this, right?
I didn't get that implication, but looking at it now, you may be right...
Edit to clarify: I didn't actually link the Trading station minefield reference with the Silent Repose.
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Mines, the enemy fleet, and the system that scatters our ships. We fought one frigate and one outpost earlier and lost half a task force to repairs. If we have to run four minefields, three with one-third-sized fleets, lose the low reaction ships, and the enemy can choose where to place their ships, and none of our plans go after the ship boosting structures, then we are basically guaranteed to lose one fleet to enemy ships and fail that target. Each split of our fleet must be in condition and size to handle the entire enemy fleet plus fixed defenses after both scattering and a minefield and 2x shields and +2C. We will only have 6 explorers, 2 cruisers, and a dozen or so frigates total.
A three way split is going to fail we are going to end up with a wrecked task force.
e: If there's one thing we can win, it's ship to ship combat with as full fleets as possible. Every other thing we engage we lose more and more.
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Prudence is the Ked Paddah's main hat though, so if they say that splitting our fleet in three is still okay, that should still be a prudent course of action.
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Does Silent Repose impact our ability to detect mines?
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[X] Ixaria Prime - Moon Only (Silo Storage Centre)
[X] Ixaria VI - "Silent Repose"
[X] No third target
The star thing is worrying. It could even just be a trap, for example triggering a solar flare incinerating itself and any nearby ships. (While doing some Science! bullshit do keep the enemy ships from getting away.)
[X] Ixaria VI - "Silent Repose"
[X] No third target
The star thing is worrying. It could even just be a trap, for example triggering a solar flare incinerating itself and any nearby ships. (While doing some Science! bullshit do keep the enemy ships from getting away.)
It's very tempting just to order a full assault on Prime. The scattering effect isn't likely to reduce us below half strength, and we only run one minefield. Compared to two minefields and an additional battle for all our ships at worse odds, aren't we at an advantage with a full assault? Is that crazy? It sounds like the better option.
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Where does that come from?
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Honestly, I don't think this is likely to be the case. Like, this is a Ked Paddah battle plan looked over by one of our most sensible commanders, and neither of them brought up this concern. It honestly feels a lot like you're fearmongering here.
Plus, there's only two outposts in the system, both in Ixaria Prime's orbit. Without an outpost to back them up we won't have serious opposition from the enemy force and I'm confident that a third of the fleet will be able to deal with massed local forces from House Ixira.
[X] Ixaria VI - "Silent Repose"
[X] Ixaria Prime - Moon Only (Silo Storage Centre)
[X] Ixaria Star
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We would be unable to assault any objective at all if it was that strong.
The KP have failed to take this system eight times. Does that sound like they are calculating correctly, or does that sound like they are making mistakes because they are unable to account for out-of-the-box problems? Prudence doesn't mean the right plan. Their strategy has failed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
The stats from our previous battles do not support this. If you want one boosting facility to go after, the one that doubles shields is an order of magnitude more important.
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Keep in mind that if we try to take Ixaria Prime's orbitals without hitting any other targets first, we will be dealing with the largest concentration of ships and static defenses in the system, three of which will have double shields and +2 Combat, while being bombarded by longranged torpedoes and god knows what else from the sun station, and an unknown fraction of our fleet won't arrive in time for the fight.
I don't think that's a battle we can win with our available forces.
Anyway, the clarification we've received on Silent Repose makes it less scary, so...
[x] Ixaria Prime - Moon Only
[x] Ixaria V
[x] Ixaria star
I don't think that's a battle we can win with our available forces.
Anyway, the clarification we've received on Silent Repose makes it less scary, so...
[x] Ixaria Prime - Moon Only
[x] Ixaria V
[x] Ixaria star
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They still have a fleet after trying eight times. That means they definitely didn't fail by being reckless, and it's quite plausible that they failed because they had too few forces to feel comfortable hitting enough targets simultaneously to allow for success. So if either approach means a repeat of the previous failures hitting fewer than 3 targets is more likely to be it (and the number of targets selected not generally having been the problem with previous attacks either way seems even more likely).
[X] Ixaria Prime - Moon Only (Silo Storage Centre)
[X] Ixaria VI - "Silent Repose"
[X] Ixaria Star
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Wanted to give people something to do that is a little more responsive.
We know that they spent the last year recovering from lost ships.
Regardless, a 3-way fleet split is two explorers and four frigates, reduce to 3/4 by minefield, reduce 3/4 again by scattering, and one split faces the entire boosted enemy fleet plus the long range launcher. And those are best case numbers.
We lose that fleet. A 3-way split isn't viable no matter what the KP say.
Aren't we always ragging on our commanders for splitting our fleets?
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I don't think we're splitting our fleet so much as sending Thuir a list of high priority targets. He could just as easily bring the entire fleet to each one and hit them one at a time.
The KP say we're splitting the fleet in the update.
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Actually, pretty much, yes. It takes huge angular momentum to tilt the orbit of a planet, more than is normally available when solar systems form naturally. The only planets in Earth's solar system whose orbits are more than four degrees away from the 'flat' plane of the Sun's equator are Mercury and Pluto- the two puniest of the planets. And even Mercury's only at seven degrees. Pluto and things like it can have much greater 'tilt,' but that's because they are so tiny and light, and so far away from the Sun.
Suffice to say that unless Oneiros is deliberately breaking with all normal space facts just to mess with us, the Ixira system is going to be pretty flat. Even if it isn't, the odds are against "the planets being in alignment" in such a way that they somehow form a roughly evenly spaced ball around the parent star. If the Licori could arrange for that kind of world-shuffling, their giant moon cannon really would be a Death Star instead of us just joking about it being one.
[x] Ixaria Star
[X] Ixaria Prime - Moon Only (Silo Storage Centre)
[X] No third target
They've also fought eight previous battles in this star system. They just might be doing something wrong. If concentration of force preserves our forces, it is a positive good.
Is taking out the enemy's shield burnthrough abilities (correct, reducing them) worth the cost of accepting that the enemy's sun-weapon is fully operational, that we cannot see their ships coming until they close to effective phaser range, and that we cannot depend on our ships being able to navigate precisely?
I'd rather let the enemy have a slightly sharper sword to hurt me with, than have to fight him blindfolded with one foot in a bucket full of cement while he goes to fetch his flamethrower.
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Two outposts. Give them double shields - so 12->24. Improved shield burn through. +2 Combat.
You still want to fight there?
There is no enemy fleet*. Yet. That's the entire point of this exercise. The Ked Peddah kept failing because not only did they have to face these fixed defenses, but also a fleet. Now the Federation has drawn the enemy out of position so the Ked Peddah are trying to take a chance against just the fixed defenses. That alone would give the Ked Peddah on their lonesome much better odds than any time previously, and they also have their fleet basically doubled by Task Force 1.
The reason to split our forces and rush this is to take out all of these boosting research station fixed defenses before the Empire can rush a reinforcement fleet here to defend. Which they *will*; it's a matter of how many of these "boosts" we can take out before we have to fight the fleet.
I feel like maybe you didn't understand what's going on, because you keep talking like there's an enemy fleet in-system right now, when that's explicitly not the case.
*They might or might not have a frigate or two, but I doubt much more or the Ked Peddah wouldn't consider the system 'undefended'.
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