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The civillians and surrendering remnants of the darkelves will be spared right after the arc has been taken over? Or are we going to justify genocide and warcrimes after victory?
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First wtf kind of question is that?
Second this is the first time you have ever commented on this thread and this the kind of question you ask?
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there are no civilian adult dark elves , all of them have military training and served on and off as riders , pirates and corsairs for centuries slaving across the globe , its certain any adult dark elf would fight to the death as their decades conditioning demands nor receive quarter especially from the ex slaves
I assuming your talking about the black ark that was captured during the siege , as this one is screwed as we don't intend to take , once we storm the Tor and free Freddy we are stealing boats and leaving while trashing the anchorstones if possible what becomes of the ark afterwards is not our problem
though I am interested in what happens to any child dark elves that have not been fully brain washed and conditioned that fell into trident hands when the smaller black ark fell , it would be an interesting project to integrate them would result in a whole new phenomena the imperial elf
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There were some mentions of ostland having a large amount of delf POWs and civies in one of the magnus portions.
Iirc, they surrendered to the asrai, who handed them over to ostland.
Magnus did not quite know what to do with them, but they were not massacred
Iirc, they surrendered to the asrai, who handed them over to ostland.
Magnus did not quite know what to do with them, but they were not massacred
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Natasha was getting a bit happy about slayingnthe blood elves then commented about, wanting to kill every dark elf, on the street, which is understandible, because of her husband and th e slaves, but there are still children younger than then Hultressa daughter and the other normal dark ees hiding from all this
Mess,
If we don't control Natasha's wrath, then something as bad as the french r3volution can occur, where the revolutionaries started executing various people by guillotine for reasons and, or the russian revolution where even the children ofnthe ruling family among others were purged.
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You know considering we are heading to Alyssa heart of power, she may have some traps setup on the prisoners or on the stares.
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Natasha and co don't have the forces nor the will to try and take over the ark after rescuing Fredy they are leaving the ark and going on a ship to Norsca, something that was mentioned inside the update.
they will try to rescue as many slaves as they can and leave after that.
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Can't Kerillian and Hultressa takeover the ark by swaying everyone else to their side and reform Khaine religion into something else?
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why would Hultressa ever want to stay in the ark, she just gave a long speech about how the ark isn't her home and was her cell and that tiranoc is her home and her whole objective is to have Ishha cure her daughter from khaine influence through going to the Everqueen.
As for Kerillian also why would she stay on the ark? the ark is damaged and after we kill Allysa and more of her sorceress there won't be anyone that can direct it for long and it still has to have major repairs before thinking of going back to the open sea, and it will be stuck next to norsca and the chaos waste for who knows how long while not knowing when khorne is gonna send some of his legions to steel it. also Kerillian will likely need some time away from khaine and bloodshed to recentre herself and keep her vow to worship all the gods and not just khaine.
The Eonir, surely?
I believe actually asking The Everqueen for help with this would be the most appropriate. As I understand it, these are mainly civilians from the captured ark. Drucii, sure, but not professional warriors. It seems wrong to just execute everyone. Perhaps the High Priestess of Isha could find a more compassionate solution.
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Yeah, eonir. Derped and called them asrai.
Irc, we got quadruple digit numbers of prisoners
Yelp! Yea that is a lot. Significant resources would be going into keeping that many POWs. Now we want there to be a good incentive for even drucii to surrender, rather than always fight to the death. We can't return/ransom them to The Witch King because, well.. yea, but also I can not imagine the cruel fate that would await a drucii that surrendered. The Eonir will not take them, they already offloaded them to us. The Asrai would likely use them as ferilizer. Just freeing them would make for enclaves of drucii bandits down the road wherever we let them go.
Not a lot of good options.
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I've reread the relevant sections and it seems the eonir actually took some.
It just that so many druchi surrendered/civilians were taken that they straight up could not take them all
I didn't find the post with concrete druchi casualities atm, gotta look later.
Iirc, that one had more info on the amount of prisoners that were taken
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Try haitian slave uprising for closest accurate comparison, and I don't really care if the slaves kill them all as far as I am concerned its the price of doing business
If you take slaves subjecting people to all the abuse, indignity and exploitation that entails in the name personal gain then you also gonna have to accept the consequences of what those slaves will do to you if they successfully revolt
What happens next is only natural
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I would massively advocate against justifying genocide in this thread.
We're doing what now in this thread??? when did this talk begin and why on the 14th of feb of all days.
Just long enough to crush it agiainst something.
It may not be a popular opinion, but. Kislev? Mayby I just want snow elvves to be a thing...
For the time being , punitive labor. Even Asur do it.
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no one is justifying anything, its just what happens when slaves revolt
Alyssa was correct on one thing - no one is going to follow Hultressa in trying to command the Ark. She's running around with ex-slaves, Asur especially, and none of the Coven is going to be swayed to her side. Kerillian has expressed blatant and open disdain for the Cult of Khaine, and it is only through weight of total loss of Cult leadership/seniors/veterans/regulars as well as the trauma of losing the Temple of Khaine to Slaanesh plus the threat of being killed and being newly inducted that the Witch Elves currently following her around were convinced to do so. The greater majority of all Druchii on the Ark would not be so easily pressed by Kerillian, and would try to kill her for the sword anyhow. Hultressa does not want to remain on the Ark, she'd rather see the entire thing destroyed. Not to mention that Hultressa alone could not possibly command the Ark's movement or function without support from the rest of the Coven, especially now that the Ark's Anchorstone Complexes are in damaged condition through the total catastrophic loss of one and damaging of all the others in compensation with further damage to one of them.
The goal for Hultressa is and has always been to leave the Ark, not to command it, not to take control of it.
You do not have the forces to compel the entirety of the Ark into submission, because they have reached a frenzied pitch that will not allow it without the hyper-fast shock of loss and capitulation enforced during Salkalten thanks to the Eonir and Nordland coalition working with Ostland in absolutely overwhelming them all from a pincer maneuver after their forces got blasted at the walls.
At the beginning of this, both Natasha and Frederick both agreed that they knew they would have to leave any number of innocents left on the Ark in almost every scenario of attempting to get off the Ark, even if they got some slaves and others out with them.
There are no attempts to justify IRL war crime behavior or genocide here at this time please and thank you. For one thing, this is Warhammer, where children and innocents are burned at the stake or killed with blades because of mutations or suspicions of magic or heresy, that is part of the grim dark nature of the setting based around IRL inspirations and IC extrapolations and situations. It's a sad and bad thing, but it happens. Rampaging ex-slaves have not, historically, been terribly forgiving and kind to their former captors, especially if they are quite literally inhumanly cruel and monstrous to them with magics and potions and poisons that go beyond anything manageable IRL. Even the Asur have not been able to 'perfectly' save every single slave on a Black Ark when they take one down, neither have the dwarfs when they were able to bring enough dreadnoughts to bear and blow one to pieces with cannon fire. Nor did Gotrek and Felix, canonical Warhammer heroes, when the Harp of Ruin exploded and took an Ark down with it. They certainly felt awful and bad about all the innocents left on the Ark, but sometimes, you just can't save everyone. That doesn't make it a justification for war crimes or genocide, also this is one Ark, there's still plenty of Druchii elsewhere and more Arks besides.
Natasha is born of the Gospodars, who were once Kurgan, but then came and conquered Kislev at the head of Miska the Slaughterer, the Last Khan-Queen of the Gospodars.
Frederick is born of the Ostlanders, who were once the Udoses, who have one of their main historical features in the past being ecstatic about a burning coastline of Norsii peoples - men, women, elders, children - long into the night.
I'm not saying these are 'good' things, and rather on the whole I would think I've shown how Frederick and Natasha are perfectly capable of empathizing and being soft-handed towards at least one of the children of the Druchii, but they are not Gods capable of snapping their fingers and solving the 'issue' of the Black Arks in total perfection. Additionally, they are perfectly capable of being ruthless. It's even in their Trait list. And the sheer military threat of a Black Ark is such that there are plenty of people who would likely at the end of the day accept just blowing up an Ark as the cost of preserving many more lives elsewhere. Druchii kill Druchii all the time, they have whole hosts of assassins dedicated to it, up to and including children of their political enemies, contracts with Khainite assassins and all that go deep wide and long. There are Druchii killing Druchii right now on the Claw of Dominion, and likely every single Black Ark in existence. When House Cruelbarb went down, there wasn't a lot of 'sparing' going on there on the part of the Alyssan forces, nor for the House who's Tor the warband took over, who got slaughtered wholesale by another House rising up to replace them, who was in turn taken down by the warband. I even made strong allusions and references to some of the slaves being very certain about killing all the Druchii in the Tor, even smaller ones, but in the chaos no one was sure precisely who did it because of how angry the rush up the Tor was. And that's a cold, dark, terrible thing to have happened, but it did, because ex-slaves of the Druchii are ex-slaves of the Druchii and not all of them possessed of the sheer strength of character and nobility as, say, Roland.
So.
1. None of the Asur want to remain on the Ark at all, and would prefer to get off of this millennia tainted-rock. Also, Sadrina the Handmaiden of the Everqueen is a highly symbolic figure of all things Druchii hate to the point that killing her off publicly and violently and torturously would be one of the top requirements in the case of actually making a serious attempt at commanding the Ark's populace and even then would be extremely difficult for various reasons even if it came to pass, which is not likely because Hultressa wants Sadrina's endorsement to the Everqueen to help save Gwendolyn's soul.
2. Hultressa wants off the Ark as quickly and violently as possible after retrieving Frederick and Eldyra.
3. Kerillian hates the Ark, hates the Cult of Khaine as it is in Druchii interpretation, and frankly hates the culture of the Druchii as well, especially after she got locked up and tortured herself. She also does not have the religious or political juice to sway the Druchii as a whole, and would not bother making the attempt anyway, even with the sword, because if she dies then another proper Druchii could pick it up as well.
4. Everyone else in the warband wants off the Ark as well.
5. The Ark is extremely damaged, the Coven depleted and highly likely to refuse to aid Hultressa in command and control, and she's not going to explode her brain and soul trying to run it when she has her daughter to worry about.
6. The Cult of Mathlann is the one with the boats, and they aren't going to hand them over to Hultressa or Kerillian in anything approaching peacefulness.
The goal for Hultressa is and has always been to leave the Ark, not to command it, not to take control of it.
You do not have the forces to compel the entirety of the Ark into submission, because they have reached a frenzied pitch that will not allow it without the hyper-fast shock of loss and capitulation enforced during Salkalten thanks to the Eonir and Nordland coalition working with Ostland in absolutely overwhelming them all from a pincer maneuver after their forces got blasted at the walls.
At the beginning of this, both Natasha and Frederick both agreed that they knew they would have to leave any number of innocents left on the Ark in almost every scenario of attempting to get off the Ark, even if they got some slaves and others out with them.
There are no attempts to justify IRL war crime behavior or genocide here at this time please and thank you. For one thing, this is Warhammer, where children and innocents are burned at the stake or killed with blades because of mutations or suspicions of magic or heresy, that is part of the grim dark nature of the setting based around IRL inspirations and IC extrapolations and situations. It's a sad and bad thing, but it happens. Rampaging ex-slaves have not, historically, been terribly forgiving and kind to their former captors, especially if they are quite literally inhumanly cruel and monstrous to them with magics and potions and poisons that go beyond anything manageable IRL. Even the Asur have not been able to 'perfectly' save every single slave on a Black Ark when they take one down, neither have the dwarfs when they were able to bring enough dreadnoughts to bear and blow one to pieces with cannon fire. Nor did Gotrek and Felix, canonical Warhammer heroes, when the Harp of Ruin exploded and took an Ark down with it. They certainly felt awful and bad about all the innocents left on the Ark, but sometimes, you just can't save everyone. That doesn't make it a justification for war crimes or genocide, also this is one Ark, there's still plenty of Druchii elsewhere and more Arks besides.
Natasha is born of the Gospodars, who were once Kurgan, but then came and conquered Kislev at the head of Miska the Slaughterer, the Last Khan-Queen of the Gospodars.
Frederick is born of the Ostlanders, who were once the Udoses, who have one of their main historical features in the past being ecstatic about a burning coastline of Norsii peoples - men, women, elders, children - long into the night.
I'm not saying these are 'good' things, and rather on the whole I would think I've shown how Frederick and Natasha are perfectly capable of empathizing and being soft-handed towards at least one of the children of the Druchii, but they are not Gods capable of snapping their fingers and solving the 'issue' of the Black Arks in total perfection. Additionally, they are perfectly capable of being ruthless. It's even in their Trait list. And the sheer military threat of a Black Ark is such that there are plenty of people who would likely at the end of the day accept just blowing up an Ark as the cost of preserving many more lives elsewhere. Druchii kill Druchii all the time, they have whole hosts of assassins dedicated to it, up to and including children of their political enemies, contracts with Khainite assassins and all that go deep wide and long. There are Druchii killing Druchii right now on the Claw of Dominion, and likely every single Black Ark in existence. When House Cruelbarb went down, there wasn't a lot of 'sparing' going on there on the part of the Alyssan forces, nor for the House who's Tor the warband took over, who got slaughtered wholesale by another House rising up to replace them, who was in turn taken down by the warband. I even made strong allusions and references to some of the slaves being very certain about killing all the Druchii in the Tor, even smaller ones, but in the chaos no one was sure precisely who did it because of how angry the rush up the Tor was. And that's a cold, dark, terrible thing to have happened, but it did, because ex-slaves of the Druchii are ex-slaves of the Druchii and not all of them possessed of the sheer strength of character and nobility as, say, Roland.
So.
1. None of the Asur want to remain on the Ark at all, and would prefer to get off of this millennia tainted-rock. Also, Sadrina the Handmaiden of the Everqueen is a highly symbolic figure of all things Druchii hate to the point that killing her off publicly and violently and torturously would be one of the top requirements in the case of actually making a serious attempt at commanding the Ark's populace and even then would be extremely difficult for various reasons even if it came to pass, which is not likely because Hultressa wants Sadrina's endorsement to the Everqueen to help save Gwendolyn's soul.
2. Hultressa wants off the Ark as quickly and violently as possible after retrieving Frederick and Eldyra.
3. Kerillian hates the Ark, hates the Cult of Khaine as it is in Druchii interpretation, and frankly hates the culture of the Druchii as well, especially after she got locked up and tortured herself. She also does not have the religious or political juice to sway the Druchii as a whole, and would not bother making the attempt anyway, even with the sword, because if she dies then another proper Druchii could pick it up as well.
4. Everyone else in the warband wants off the Ark as well.
5. The Ark is extremely damaged, the Coven depleted and highly likely to refuse to aid Hultressa in command and control, and she's not going to explode her brain and soul trying to run it when she has her daughter to worry about.
6. The Cult of Mathlann is the one with the boats, and they aren't going to hand them over to Hultressa or Kerillian in anything approaching peacefulness.
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Lmao fuck no, they want off this ship too
Why would they? Fuck the druchii
To be blunt, they're all going to die.
Now, this isn't me saying we should kill them (we shouldn't) but there's a shitload of violence going on between two factions that don't seem to be taking prisoners, there's our uprising that can't take prisoners and if they survive all of that and the Ark doesn't get damaged so bad that it just sinks with them aboard then chances are they'll die when the Khornates sweep onto the ark (Hultressa told them where it is).
Pretty much everyone on this ark that we don't actively rescue are going to die. It sucks for the few more innocent ones like the kids but there's no way of stopping it right now and frankly there wasn't really any way of avoiding it.
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Okay, at this point I have to wonder, just how damaged is the Ark and how close might it be to sinking or being rendered forever unusable to the Druuchi? Because 2 Arks being lost is better than one Ark. and maybe the other two the Elves are chasing too if they get lucky through the RNG rolls.
