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[X] Cruise Nacelles (Efficient Cruise: Warp 6.8 -> 7) (Mass: 220kt -> 260kt) [Cost: 67]
Sprint is definitely the better of the two options. The Federation being able to match the Excaliber's Sprint speed is a important benchmark. A Federation and two Excalibers patrolling near your border or on a deep warp heading into your lines is an impossible to ignore statement if they could be the same speed.
[X] Quad Nacelles (Maximum Cruise: Warp 7 -> 7.4) (Mass: 220kt -> 300kt) [Cost: 79]
[X] Sprint Nacelles (Maximum Warp: Warp 8 -> 8.4) (Mass: 220kt -> 260kt) [Cost: 67]
[X] Sprint Nacelles (Maximum Warp: Warp 8 -> 8.4) (Mass: 220kt -> 260kt) [Cost: 67]
Sprint is the "Oh shit you need to go save the day over here RIGHT FUCKING NOW!" Its responding to emergencies.
You want a utility ship with great cruise because who knows where in the galaxy they are when they're called to some planet to fix/poke.
Cruise gets you from drydock to warfront, but sprint gets you to the actual fight in time to do something.
But your war ships will generally be in the general area of where you wanna throw down, hopefully in time to make a difference.
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You cannot maintain Sprint for more than 12 hours without risking your warp drive exploding, not without a hero crew
Captain April and the Excalibur-class Enterprise did it for two weeks to get to Tarsus IV in this quest, and that literally put the Enterprise back in the shipyards it had just emerged from for major repairs
If your intent is to pose a threat in being to the territory of other states, what you actually want is Max Cruise, because you can maintain that indefinitely until you run out of fuel, giving you strategic range
You cannot maintain Sprint for more than 12 hours without risking your warp drive exploding, not without a hero crew
Captain April and the Excalibur-class Enterprise did it for two weeks to get to Tarsus IV in this quest, and that literally put the Enterprise back in the shipyards it had just emerged from for major repairs
If your intent is to pose a threat in being to the territory of other states, what you actually want is Max Cruise, because you can maintain that indefinitely until you run out of fuel, giving you strategic range
I'd note I entirely agree with this; if you want Federations to be leading Excaliburs in task forces, the task force can only use the Maximum Warp of its slowest sprinters. This is for the same reason task forces can only use the Maximum Cruise of their slowest members as well; doing otherwise means either you're splitting the task force, or burning the nacelles of the slower ships out of existence and then splitting the task force.
Quads is for solo operations only.
Personally, I'll be sticking with Efficient Cruise, because while our remaining Excaliburs are awesome I don't see us needing to group them into task forces with a Federation leader any time soon. The task forces the Federations are going to lead in practice will be made up of Mirandas... who certainly don't have quads, and I'll bet quite a bit won't have sprint.
0t4n1z3r019
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[X] Cruise Nacelles (Efficient Cruise: Warp 6.8 -> 7) (Mass: 220kt -> 260kt) [Cost: 67]
No, thats Max Cruise
Sprint is tactical speed, for when you are in a fight, or getting into or out of a fight
Unless you are the Enterprise
I present to you the 12-ship Sagamartha class, which we only just decommissioned
It was a quad nacelle ship class that served as our heavy explorers for sixty to seventy years
Federation would not be our first quad nacelle ship
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darkstarling
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The thing is, the Excaliburs are faster while still having a solid anchor to fall back on.
But also we're shifting more into solo operations.
And that was more than half a warp factor below maximum! I should see about knocking up a graph of time-to-failure/travel times/warp factors or something. Preferably one that can have the inputs changed.
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[X] Quad Nacelles (Maximum Cruise: Warp 7 -> 7.4) (Mass: 220kt -> 300kt) [Cost: 79]
This is just too sexy to pass up
This is just too sexy to pass up
*checks*
The Excalibur's Maximum Warp is 8.6
Its Maximum Cruise is 7
The actual spread is 6.2/7/8.6
For reference, these are the speed options for the Federation:
On a strategic level, a quad nacelle Federation would be faster than an Excalibur, both at efficient cruise and max cruise
Even a twin nacelle Federation would match the strategic speed of an Excalibur that is max cruising
The Excalibur's advantage is Sprint IE combat FTL
EDIT
Essentially, Callie is a better sprinter, but Feddie is a better marathon runner
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Tithed_Verse
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[X] Quad Nacelles (Maximum Cruise: Warp 7 -> 7.4) (Mass: 220kt -> 300kt) [Cost: 79]
Unfortunately, that isn't the case. A Feddie w/ Sprint config would go 8.4, an Excalibur goes 8.6 (as also pointed out by uju32). A 0.2 difference could be quite significant on the tactical level.
That's true of our current fleet, but the Federation is a new ship and reasonably will serve longer than the Excalibur. And with the new nacelle around the corner and the current nacelle slightly cheaper, it makes sense to design a ship that is faster so that it can match speeds or avoid slowing a faster future ships.
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Can we not go sprint.
We've built a ship optimised for cruise, either commit to cruise or pay the premium to do both but let's not backtrack and create a ship that can do neither.
We've built a ship optimised for cruise, either commit to cruise or pay the premium to do both but let's not backtrack and create a ship that can do neither.
The truth is, we got antimatter coming out our ass. We got resupply stations all over. For an internal ship, we can top em off pretty easy.
And the difference between efficient cruise and maximum cruise is how proliferate you want to be with your antimatter. Sure the Federations won't be able to run at maximum cruise all the time, but it doesn't take much of a justification to go to maximum cruise either. Any mission that is even slightly time sensitive, go ahead and shift to maximum cruise confident that these internal use ships can find a place to top up afterwards.
So that's why I'm voting for quad nacelles and making the most from maximum cruise.
And the difference between efficient cruise and maximum cruise is how proliferate you want to be with your antimatter. Sure the Federations won't be able to run at maximum cruise all the time, but it doesn't take much of a justification to go to maximum cruise either. Any mission that is even slightly time sensitive, go ahead and shift to maximum cruise confident that these internal use ships can find a place to top up afterwards.
So that's why I'm voting for quad nacelles and making the most from maximum cruise.
It's better than a 0.6 difference and much closer on a tactical level. The Federation is still going to be limited to the Excalibur's cruise rate for fleet maneuvers anyway overall, so I'm much more worried about not limiting the Excalibur tactically.
I'm honestly convinced two Excalibers and a Federation raiding could be able to take eight D7s in an ambush without significant losses or damage and that requires Sprint.
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[X] Quad Nacelles (Maximum Cruise: Warp 7 -> 7.4) (Mass: 220kt -> 300kt) [Cost: 79]
The Radiant crawled so we could run.
Eat DICK San Fran, THIS is how you do quad cycle nacelles.
The Radiant crawled so we could run.
Eat DICK San Fran, THIS is how you do quad cycle nacelles.
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[X] Quad Nacelles (Maximum Cruise: Warp 7 -> 7.4) (Mass: 220kt -> 300kt) [Cost: 79]