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Personally, I love Frieren for how it handles long-lived characters, for both good and ill.

All too often in fiction they're either made to look incompetent by having shorter-lived beings match their skill with only a couple decades of experience, or the story just devolves into a soap-box about how perfect and superior they are.

But Frieren manages to strike a perfect balance by not shying away from showing how much power an elf or a demon can amass with centuries and millennia of study and practice, which humans simply cannot replicate. But that doesn't mean they can't lose to a bad matchup or because magical theory has advanced while they were left behind, because raw power isn't everything, and the story also showcases how their age works against them: to an elf or a demon, a spell that was developed a mere eighty years ago is still brand-new and can still take them off-guard, while humans have known it their whole lives as the cornerstone of magical theory, and have become familiar with it in ways longer-lived beings simply cannot. If you learned a bad habit a thousand years ago it's practically impossible to unlearn now, even if it's an incredibly basic mistake that's normally corrected while you are still an apprentice. And so on.

It also shows in detail how elves struggle with connecting with people, becoming overcome with grief or denial when their companions pass away, and how they can procrastinate endlessly unless circumstances push them to take action simply because they can take decades and centuries to mull over a decision or obsessing over a single topic.

No spoilers, but in my opinion one of the most poignant lines from the entire story is "I've lived a long life, but I haven't done much with it.", and how it relates to the main elves featured in the story. What good is power that's not used for anything?
To relate this to the quest we can see something like this in how the Colleges surprise the Elves on occasion. Like my favorite example in how the Druchi sorcerer was shocked upon seeing Mathilde's soul and how we'd done the equivalent of ramming Ulgu spikes into our soul. The thing is that Empire Wizards have been around for a good while by this point, yet to a Dark Elf this was news to her.
 
[X] [ITHILMAR] A copy of the Library of Mournings, including most restricted texts.
[X] [ITHILMAR] Books
[X] [ITHILMAR] Books, primarily restricted books on magic with everything else secondary

Hell yeah.
 
They might be interested in Liber Mortis and Vlad's notes...
You joke, but thinking about it, it is... plausible that the Grey Lords would be willing to trade some of their magic lore for the Liber Mortis's. Most everyone else would either kill Mathilde just for possessing the book, stab her in the back for it, or would be uninterested, but the Grey Lords are both interested in forbidden lore and reasonable enough to trade with. Still a terrible idea for plenty of reasons, of course.
 
You joke, but thinking about it, it is... plausible that the Grey Lords would be willing to trade some of their magic lore for the Liber Mortis's. Most everyone else would either kill Mathilde just for possessing the book, stab her in the back for it, or would be uninterested, but the Grey Lords are both interested in forbidden lore and reasonable enough to trade with. Still a terrible idea for plenty of reasons, of course.
Even if we had an OOC guarantee that the Grey Lords would only want it for anti-necromancy purposes, I can't see myself voting for showing someone else the thing that was entrusted to Mathilde by her Lord when he died. It's... too personal.
 
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You joke, but thinking about it, it is... plausible that the Grey Lords would be willing to trade some of their magic lore for the Liber Mortis's. Most everyone else would either kill Mathilde just for possessing the book, stab her in the back for it, or would be uninterested, but the Grey Lords are both interested in forbidden lore and reasonable enough to trade with. Still a terrible idea for plenty of reasons, of course.

I think step one of that plan would be to get to the point of even talking to Hatalath in a social setting. Generally if one is going to trust one's whole reputation and wellbeing to someone you should at least be on a casual conversation conversation level with them. ;)

Seriously though it would be cool to see him show up in social votes if we can thing of anything to ask him. Maybe get his opinion on the AV book once we write it.
 
Even if we had an OOC guarantee that the Grey Lords would only want it for anti-necromancy purposes, I can't see myself voting for showing someone else the thing that was entrusted to Mathilde by her Lord when he died. It's... too personal.
I wouldn't vote for it either. I just find the idea itself interesting, as the Grey Lords are interesting characters.
 
It also would give to the GL the mother of all blackmail on Mathilde.
Blackmail only exists if it can be proved. Merely knowing someone is doing something illicit is not blackmail.

Arranging for a neutral third party to witness her wrong doings would of course reveal the ruse, but it'd be actually kind of hard for them to create credible but non-immediate proof that can be revealed at a later date. Even anachronistically video taping us could be shrugged at by claiming forgery, so it'd be reputation versus reputation.

Now, we'd probably get exiled if they made the accusation anyways because they're bigger politically, but we could tell our friends we were innocent and our social links probably wouldn't be destroyed.
 
Blackmail only exists if it can be proved. Merely knowing someone is doing something illicit is not blackmail.

Arranging for a neutral third party to witness her wrong doings would of course reveal the ruse, but it'd be actually kind of hard for them to create credible but non-immediate proof that can be revealed at a later date. Even anachronistically video taping us could be shrugged at by claiming forgery, so it'd be reputation versus reputation.

Now, we'd probably get exiled if they made the accusation anyways because they're bigger politically, but we could tell our friends we were innocent and our social links probably wouldn't be destroyed.
Yesn't, our friends would probably believe us but in this time your word is just about everything and the word of the grey lord are as close as absolute as is possible in laurelorn, and through them the queen would probably bring this to Middenheim, and Middenheim would bring it to the emperor. And the emperor would have no choice but to bring it to dragomas, and dragomas really only has one choice in this kind of situation. Declare mathy hostis humanis generis and see if she hides with the dwarves.
If we do she's about as safe as can be.
 
I wouldn't worry about that; no doubt they have their own volumes on army-soloing.

There are the people who vanished a War of Vengeance level dwarf throng, I do not think they need Van Hall to show them how to kill armies :V

I'm not disagreeing that they might already have that sort of knowledge hidden up their sleeves, but I will point out that Nordland is currently not a smoking ruin that's been razed to the ground, and I'd rather keep it that way.
 
Talking about the Grey Lords, is there a list of the specialities (or what they like to investigate) of each one? I think one was Dhar and another was metals but can't remember the rest
 
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