There will be a bit more in dribs and drabs from pieces we did not have time to get in time, but they will probably just be sold for volume in gold without any trouble
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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There will be a bit more in dribs and drabs from pieces we did not have time to get in time, but they will probably just be sold for volume in gold without any trouble
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Mathilde explicitly pointed out other buyers in the update, it's just that Mathilde has first-mover advantage.
She also didn't gather anything at all from Bretonnia, Estalia, or Tilea.
- Location
- Utrecht
I'd rather earn the elf-name we already have again, rather than get called something derogatory. Ma-thil is awesome.
RETURN OF THE SILVER SAVAGE
(Someone can make a book blurb out of it
. And then Mathilde can publish it, and make a ton of money by accident again )
pucflek
Verified simpleton
- Location
- Czech Republic
My bad then.
No, there's still a lot left. She got as much as she could in a day or so, before others caught on and started to move in on our too, driving up prices or being unwilling to sell.
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
It's already there, really.
[ ] Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (specify which: Bretonnia, Kislev, Tilea/Estalia, Araby)
Lothern is "a nearby realm" if we're in Ulthuan, but otherwise it's not at all and putting it as a separate entry might confuse people into thinking it's an option we could take without the 3AP trip.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
- Location
- Czech Republic
I honestly don´t even want to buy anything, we have got enough research opportunities at home, the stuff thats bound to be in Lothern is either going to be parlor trick tourism scam or from magical paradigms that take longer than our entire life so far to study and all our equipment slots are full. So going with just the money we have is fine by me.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
At this point... No, I honestly don't trust anyone saying we need to delay it another few turns to ever actually agree now's a good time to do it.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
On the contrary, we should proceed as planned and go on the Elfcation soon. If we happen to stop by Lothern and see valuables that can't be bought due to the money situation, and have to leave them behind, well, that's just how it is sometimes. If they're wanted enough, maybe the thread will vote come back and try to pick them up, or attempt to purchase them on credit, or some other way.
Speaking of votes, the fact that the majority of the thread does not want to vote for immediate money with which to buy those hypothetical valuables makes it seem clear to me that they aren't really all that important, and can be safely ignored.
infinityDivided
Prince Of Doom
- Location
- USA
[X] [ITHILMAR] Precious Stones
A boring vote, but one I have a reason for making over the Library one:
What does the EIC get out of it? No, seriously. AFAICT Mathilde didn't use her own funds to buy up the ithilmar, she had the EIC pay for it. And all of the potential profit of that going into Mathilde's personal project that is completely unrelated to the EIC? I don't see that going well.
[X] Okri
[X] Initiate
[X] Dooming and Quickening
[X] Skull River Ambush
[X] Kalashiniviks
[X] Entrance Examination
A boring vote, but one I have a reason for making over the Library one:
What does the EIC get out of it? No, seriously. AFAICT Mathilde didn't use her own funds to buy up the ithilmar, she had the EIC pay for it. And all of the potential profit of that going into Mathilde's personal project that is completely unrelated to the EIC? I don't see that going well.
[X] Okri
[X] Initiate
[X] Dooming and Quickening
[X] Skull River Ambush
[X] Kalashiniviks
[X] Entrance Examination
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Depends on what you mean by the "big leagues", I suspect.
Certainly once we finish copying Nuln and fully integrate those books, plus the library of Mournings corpus, K8P will be on the shortlist of the largest libraries in the Old World - though the University of Altdorf and the larger temples of Verena in Tilea and Estalia would be in a similar league, and the records of Everpeak would remain superior.
But I suspect that the real big leagues would be the great Cathayan libraries and the White Tower of Ulthuan, and we still have work to do to rival those.
The books go to the Library of Karak Eight Peaks, where the Head Librarian (Mathilde) can pay the EIC for their generous contribution using Belegar's money.
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
One of the major reason I'm against trading for magical secrets from the Druchii still stems from this. How would they even know that what they're giving up to us isn't sabotaging in some manner? The Sorceress we dealt with was like 'what' when the Grey Lord was tearing up her magical lesson plans.
At the same time, Ulthuan has a lot more access to those countries, so it's a lot more likely that any Ithilmar there has been bought up centuries ago.
Boney mentioned that the EIC would be paid back for each of the options. It could be that doesn't include write-ins, but that's an important enough factor that Boney would have mentioned it if it was a problem. The book option was already catching on at the time of that statement.
They people talking there are elves. Something that takes an elven mage more time to unlearn to achieve true mastery is something that a human battlewizard will never need to unlearn because they'll be dead by the time it becomes a problem. I'm sure they'll try to account for that, but XKCD comic.
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- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I'd like to do Elfcation at some point, but I've never really cared when. Some people want to do it this turn, I won't be upset if that wins. If other people wanted to do it this turn but changed their minds, that's fine too - no one's made a binding vow that I recall.
I agree with all of this, except the last line - the Nagarythians probably wouldn't do this. They wouldn't be mad if you used some Druuchi to screw over other Druuchi though, if it's a net loss to Naggaroth.
The EIC gets exactly as much money from Precious Stones as Books - Mathilde's paying off the EIC's expenses from the sale before anything else, and then taking all of the profit. They aren't getting screwed over.
- Location
- Australia
Profit. All the options not only pay back the costs of buying up the ithilmar, but also pay back the opportunity cost of spending money on this instead of growing the EIC. What the EIC is getting out of this deal - whatever this deal is - is equal to or greater than if the deal was never being made at all.
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This is the fourth time this question has been raised, the answer is the the EOC is getting there money reimbursed first.
Of course they do, it's simple Darwinism. Nagarythians attract mates by showcasing their prowess in killing Druchii. Over the millennia, those who are willing to make deals with Druchii so you can kill more Druchii would gradually out-compete Nagarythians who are not willing to do that, thus ensuring that Nagarythians today are willing to cut deals if given the opportunity.
More seriously, the baby exchange between Ulthuan and Naggaroth isn't one sided. The Nagarythians kidnap Druchii babies too and that takes infiltration. But really the thing that convinced me was a comment from torroar a while back, it's not Divided Loyalties, but it fits these guys rather well:
You can't fight the Druchii for five millennia and be unwilling to even do something so basic as bribe them into backstabbing each other.
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K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
- Location
- Belgium
- Pronouns
- He
It's not that their dehumanising other elves that I can't imagine, it's the fact their dehumanising them more than they do the humans.
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NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
Probably harder to dehumanize the people you're spending time with, trading directly with, getting to know and even started worshiping one of their gods, than your distant, former colonial overlords, who you haven't spoken with in living memory. (Beyond say the Greylords)
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pucflek
Verified simpleton
- Location
- Czech Republic
I am pretty sure i could name ten different real life examples off of the top of my head. Elves really aren´t that special.
I think what you are missing is the idea that there is no floor for just 'they are biologically the same as me', the idea is an elf will interact with other elves the same way they would with a human or for that matter a griffon and treat each of them by the measure of their own cultural biases. Four thousand years is a long time for cultures to diverge, even as elves go.
The Eonir could still think of Middlelanders as tragic because they die so young and not really up to snuff of their fellow Eonir while turning their noses even more at Druchi or Asur because of what they choose to do with their much longer lives.
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