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Mechanis said:
I mean, the Borg are one of the very few factions that don't use torpedos- it's a little hard to assimilate that interesting technology slash species if you blow them to atoms with antimatter warheads after all, and they have cutting beams and such.

I imagine that with a Borg vessel we wouldn't have distinct modules as such, but some kind of point-buy system, since the Borg's whole thing is massively redundant parallel systems rather than singular labs and reactors and whatever.
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A fair point, but it would more be a cube shaped vessel that in our hands would likely be a mobile doom fortress than one following the Borg MO.
 
landcollector said:
A fair point, but it would more be a cube shaped vessel that in our hands would likely be a mobile doom fortress than one following the Borg MO.
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I mean, you say that like a Cube isn't a mobile doom fortress in canon.
Remember that a single Cube swatted like a third of Starfleet with about as much effort as a mac truck rolling over a speedbump, the first time they showed up.
 
Mechanis said:
Remember that a single Cube swatted like a third of Starfleet with about as much effort as a mac truck rolling over a speedbump, the first time they showed up.
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Kinda funny your talk about mook Borg and then you go and show the Wolf 359 TFO cube.

And far, far from 1/3 of Starfleet given that only seven years later the 7th fleet alone had 112 ships, with 14 survivors being a serious but not 'basically everyone in Starfleet on a ship that isn't a focus ship is dead' defeat.
 
Tank man said:
Kinda funny your talk about mook Borg and then you go and show the Wolf 359 TFO cube.

And far, far from 1/3 of Starfleet given that only seven years later the 7th fleet alone had 112 ships, with 14 survivors being a serious but not 'basically everyone in Starfleet on a ship that isn't a focus ship is dead' defeat.
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You mean after Starfleet went "oh god what is this time to burn everything on ships and men"?
 
KNakamura said:
You mean after Starfleet went "oh god what is this time to burn everything on ships and men"?
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There's a bit of a difference between starfleet going into a crash build after the post-Praxis/Khitomer 'end of history' due to a large quantity of ships in a place they thought was basically safe as houses being wiped out with no real contest (to say nothing of the increasingly hostile state of their local neighbourhood before) and Starfleet literally only being about 117 ships as of the time of Wolf 359.

It's the same sort of illogic that takes the Frontier Day fleet above Earth as literally being 'the whole fleet' (in spite of the fact it's about 300 ships at best, and iirc none of the Inquiry class Riker had shown about a year earlier even being present in spite of the fact they'd make up the majority of said fleet) even though it makes no damn sense.

Discovery, for all of its faults, at least a Starfleet of 7,000+ ships. By the mid-late 24th century, as the Federation's population and area covered has grown (likely massively), Starfleet should be no less than that number of ships and certainly not less than 200.
 
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Whether you call it a torpedo or something else, the Borg did have some kind of projectile weapon they used to drain the Enterprise's shields in Q Who.
 
Tank man said:
There's a bit of a difference between starfleet going into a crash build after the post-Praxis/Khitomer 'end of history' due to a large quantity of ships in a place they thought was basically safe as houses being wiped out with no real contest and Starfleet literally only being about 117 ships as of the time of Wolf 359.

It's the same sort of illogic that takes the Frontier Day fleet above Earth as literally being 'the whole fleet' (in spite of the fact it's about 300 ships at best, and iirc none of the Inquiry class Riker had shown about a year earlier even being present in spite of the fact they'd make up the majority of said fleet) even though it makes no damn sense.
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Sure. But that's canon for you. That's established that a) yes, it was that devastating and b) yes, that WAS the entire fleet.
 
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2210: Project Galileo (Name)
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    • [X] 3: Science Labs (+4 Science)
    [X] 4: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
    [X] 5: Biosciences (+1 Science, Biosciences)
    [X] 6: Geology Lab (+2 Science)

    The debate is hard-fought, becoming particularly heated over a general sciences suite or the addition of a lateral sensor array. In the end the team is balloted, with one vote missing that may have been purloined by a local collector of memorabilia rather than submitted. But the result at least settles the debate and the team gets to work. The general labs are installed adjacent to astrometrics, both of which are directly hooked into the main computer trunk between the primary and secondary cores. Biosciences is slotted next to sickbay on the logic that its isolation facilities may prove useful in an onboard medical crisis, while geology takes up position next to the second transporter room. After that it is mostly a matter of fitting crew quarters and vital systems in the remainder of the saucer.

    That brings you to the final important element: you can't send the ship on shakedown with a project label. There are a few names being suggested. Galileo for the project, itself named after the pioneering mathematician and astronomer. Agricola, a nod to the ship's dilithium and mineralogy facilities and the famous scientist of the same name. Or for Europa, the first place that Earth found evidence of non-terrestrial life and a reference to the ship's excellent astrometrics suite.

    [ ] UFS Galileo
    [ ] UFS Agricola
    [ ] UFS Europa
    [ ] Other



    Project Galileo
    Deck 1: Main Bridge, Conference Room
    Deck 2: Main Subspace Transceiver, Command Quarters, Dorsal Phaser Banks
    Deck 3: Officer Quarters, Crew Quarters
    Deck 4: Crew Quarters, General Laboratories, Astrometrics, Computer Core Access
    Deck 5: Impulse Engine Access, Transporter Room One, Sickbay, Biosciences, Forward Lounge
    Deck 6: General Maintenance
    Deck 7: Transporter Room Two, Geology Lab, Turbolift Maintenance, Ventral Phaser Banks
    Deck 8: Ship Systems Monitoring
    Deck 9: Liquid Storage
    Deck 10: Break Room, Probe Launch Control
    Deck 11: Main Energizer Circuit
    Deck 12: Shuttlebay Monitoring, Secondary Computer Core Access
    Deck 13: Main Engineering
    Deck 14: Shuttlebay
    Deck 15: Aft Tractor Beam, Shuttle Maintenance
    Deck 16: Cargo Bay, Dilithium Analysis, Deflector Control
    Deck 17: Matter Injector Monitoring, Arboretum
    Deck 18: Liquid Storage, Forward Tractor Beam

    Two Hour Moratorium, Please
     
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    • Honestly that last vote should probably have been a plan. But this ship has Geology and Bioscience labs which are the only things that really caught my interest, so meh.

    [ ] UFS Agricola
     
    She's huge! And the decks! Two transporter rooms! Damn!
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    Project Galileo
    Mass: 255,000 Tons
    Single Target Rating: 12
    Multi-Target Rating: 12
    -Average Damage: 12
    -Max Sustained Damage: 12
    -Alpha Strike Damage: 12
    -Coverage: 100%
    -Maneuverability: Low
    Defense Rating: 48
    Engineering: 4 (Type F Shuttles, 3 Cargo)
    Science: 19 (Monotronic Computer Core, Wide-Band Astrometrics, Advanced Mineralogy, Astrobiology)
    Warp (Efficient Cruise): 5.2 (140c)
    Warp (Maximum Cruise): 6.4 (262c)
    Warp (Maximum Warp): 7.6 (439c)
    Operational Range: 70ly
    Ratings
    Cost: A-
    Infrastructure: C-
    Tactical Rating: B-
    Engineering Rating:
    Science Rating:
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    Stats-in-progress here. Looks like we picked up three point of Science from synergies.
     
    Tbh I am not a super fan of any of the names - Galileo is Great Man Theory, Agricola sounds like some Pepsi co subsidiary and Europa sounds like Eurocentricism. Could we ressurect the "stop being earth-centric" discussion from before and name this thing after some kind of alien tool or weapon? It's not really the right shape for a Lirpa but i'd still kinda prefer that.
     
    I think Europa is a good name for this ship, since its a moon with a subsurface ocean, but Enceladus and Mimas, are also moons in our solar system with subsurface oceans allegedly.

    So uh...

    [ ] UFS Europa
    [ ] UFS Enceladus
    [ ] UFS Mimas
     
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