I.F. Ister
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Superbowl would do it, yeah, as would sunday. I'm not complaining or anything, just commentating.
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
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It's CNY over here, participation is somewhat gimped thusly.
I like the wording, it comunicates the message efficently without begin too short or too long.
Still, after this we should offer some training to our Slavic retainers. Maybe begin able to defend themselves will help them overcome their trauma?
Regarding the strategy, after we take to the air, Halla and Stigmar should focus on Kjallakr. So we can eliminate him while Kare deals with Jogrim.
Do we have the time to give orders to our retainers and allies? Maybe we can ask Abjorn to keep busy Griss retainers without killing them, while Sten and Halfdan focus on Jogrim retainers.
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apologies, I was watching the superbowl.
Using Dead Air to try to shut down their aoe debuffs seems good.
Can we use Dry-Off on the ground to turn it back from mud, since we know that one of our foes intends to turn the ground to mud.?
Using Dead Air to try to shut down their aoe debuffs seems good.
Can we use Dry-Off on the ground to turn it back from mud, since we know that one of our foes intends to turn the ground to mud.?
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Thanks. And yeah, that's fair enough.
Kare need backup for this, he's got two guys to go through to get to Jogrim. We can ask some folks to back him up, though.
This is arguably the least glorious job so I'd rather not assign it to Abjorn. I'm not sure who the ideal person to assign actually is, though.
I'm not sure if Dry Off has enough AoE for that, and also I suspect we need to focus a bit more. I was thinking Magni could use Rock Hugareida to deal with the mud issue, or Trausti could freeze the ground...
Who could we ask? I can't imagine wich of our retainers is best suited for the job.
I trought Abjorn was probably the best fit for the job, since he is typicaly good at controlling himself and is specialized in wrestling.
Who else could we send?
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You outnumber Jogrim's side, so Kare will have back up in some shape or form.
This also isn't the kind of fight where taking people alive is feasible. The entire goal of the fight is killing Jogrim, do that and the battle ends as his allies no longer have reason to fight.
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Just so you don't feel like I've tricked you or anything, Jogrim isn't going to be a pushover. He has the skill and talent to be in the Near-Peak ranking, but simply lacks the raw power to be beyond Top.
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I mean, if we just want to ask people to help him get through ASAP and work with him against Jogrim, I'm thinking Abjorn and Eric?
Abjorn has a temper, but more importantly there are three of them, wrestling lets you shut down exactly one person. It lets you shut that one person down really well, but only the one.
We probably need a few people on this. Maybe send volunteers? @Imperial Fister do any of our people have a particular friendship with Gorm Bloodslick or Snorri Deepsleeper? Maybe asking them to keep them busy would make sense?
Fair. Making sure he has really good backup seems correct nonetheless.
Yeah, the thought is to send a fighter or three to fight defensively and keep them busy without killing them until we get Jogrim down. Like, I'm pretty sure we're all thinking delaying tactics not knocking them out.
That's around what I was thinking, honestly.
Maybe we really should personally join Kare in attacking Jogrim? It's tempting to let him shoot his shot while we deal with Kjallakr (who is definitely the other major issue), but Jogrim does seem out of his league and if we want to keep people alive, we want to take him out ASAP. Hmmm.
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I want to give Kare the chance to take out Joe, as I've stated. I think sending Abjorn to help him might be a good call though. Abjorn can wrestle him into submission and Kare can take off his head. Seems like a fair amount of focus on the man.
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Eysteinn and Snorri are decent friends. Magni and Tryggr are friends with Gorm
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I think we might be needed for this bit. Like, we just had a very specific warning that Jogrim is probably more skilled than we are...Kare and Abjorn may not be enough, and we want him dead quick.
I'm thinking we (and Stigmar) help Kare, maybe focusing on support stuff (we certainly have a fair bit of stuff to disable enemies) and sic Abjorn on Kjallakr?
Cool. That works.
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Okay, so, here's my basic combat plan idea trying to combine being on Jogrim and involved with giving Kare the kill as is dramatically appropriate.. This relies on Kare being good at teamwork so as to take advantage of the openings provided, but that is basically his whole specialty, so...
[X] Plan Directly Help Kare
-[X] Orders: Tell Stigmar to take to the air with us and the archers to abandon the rocks, have Magni and Trausti secure our men's footing against mud with their Hugareida and grab Eysteinn and Tryggr and go to keep Griss's men busy while trying not to kill them, ask Abjorn to go handle Kjallakr and keep him from being a problem with his ranged and area-of-effect abilities (using his flight item to close), and bring Stigmar along with us and Kare to force our way through to Jogrim.
-[X] Goal: Take to the air and personally target Jogrim using Flashfire Cleave trying to use Dead Air to suppress his and other uses of Shattering Scream, while wrecking his armor and using our disabling Tricks to set him up for Kare to kill him. If he uses Mirror Waltz to return attacks at us, that's when we use Contested Movement to counter that effect and wreck his armor or disable him as appropriate.
-[X] Shapeshifts: Adrenaline Rush x5, Dense Muscles x2, Increased Lung Capacity x1, Strengthened Bone Structure x1, Supported Grip x1,
-[X] Utility Tricks: Ember-Winged Cloak, Dead Air (adding 1 Odr),
-[X] Defensive Tricks: Reinforce Shield, Explosive-Reactive Armor, Slowing Slog, Stutter-Step, Contested Movement (17d6+16 including minimal Stoked Pool), Semi-Halting Vortex (to deal with multiple simultaneous attacks), Time Stands Still (only in an emergency, such as to defend against another Finale),
-[X] Offensive Tricks: Devouring Blaze, Flashfire Cleave, Shatter-Wrist Trick, Stunner Slam, Tendon Cut,
-[X] Orthstirr: 20 Levels
-[X] Stoked Pool: Burn at least 8 on each Contested Movement, and make sure to keep the total below 63 by using it either there or on Stoker State Tricks.
-[X] Other: Activating Sharpen, Stoker State Level 4, Lightning-Charged on Sagaseeker, and Puncture on Tricks, and use quick-drawn Shields as needed for defense (especially against ranged attacks like Fleinns, and we will only use Stutter Step if this is not an option). Using Sundersight.
And here's the previously posted verbal response:
[X] "Those you have wronged are no warriors, mostly women and children, in truth. If your sister was wronged, would you want Griss to bring her along to seek vengeance against a man like you, a Third Grade Berserk who has shown no compunction about attacking and enthralling a woman? What of one of your retainers wives or daughters kidnapped away into thralldom and then freed, would you bring her into the din of battle to no purpose? Or children no more than seven winters old? Those are the sort of people in my service who you have wronged. It is the place of warriors in their household to avenge slights against those who are no warriors, as some are not."
Oh, right, also @Imperial Fister we have a Mastered Tactics Trick for gauging how much effort enemies are putting in. I'd think that would get us a rough range on how much Orthstirr they're spending? The above Orthstirr amount is basically a wild guess. We really need that info to plan that specific thing properly, and we have invested heavily into having it so we should probably generally get that info going forward.
Relatedly, our other Tactics Tricks should give us insight into Jogrim's greatest strength and weakness and whether he or Halla is a better wrestler. Those are only Refined, but they still seem like they should get us something.
[X] Plan Directly Help Kare
-[X] Orders: Tell Stigmar to take to the air with us and the archers to abandon the rocks, have Magni and Trausti secure our men's footing against mud with their Hugareida and grab Eysteinn and Tryggr and go to keep Griss's men busy while trying not to kill them, ask Abjorn to go handle Kjallakr and keep him from being a problem with his ranged and area-of-effect abilities (using his flight item to close), and bring Stigmar along with us and Kare to force our way through to Jogrim.
-[X] Goal: Take to the air and personally target Jogrim using Flashfire Cleave trying to use Dead Air to suppress his and other uses of Shattering Scream, while wrecking his armor and using our disabling Tricks to set him up for Kare to kill him. If he uses Mirror Waltz to return attacks at us, that's when we use Contested Movement to counter that effect and wreck his armor or disable him as appropriate.
-[X] Shapeshifts: Adrenaline Rush x5, Dense Muscles x2, Increased Lung Capacity x1, Strengthened Bone Structure x1, Supported Grip x1,
-[X] Utility Tricks: Ember-Winged Cloak, Dead Air (adding 1 Odr),
-[X] Defensive Tricks: Reinforce Shield, Explosive-Reactive Armor, Slowing Slog, Stutter-Step, Contested Movement (17d6+16 including minimal Stoked Pool), Semi-Halting Vortex (to deal with multiple simultaneous attacks), Time Stands Still (only in an emergency, such as to defend against another Finale),
-[X] Offensive Tricks: Devouring Blaze, Flashfire Cleave, Shatter-Wrist Trick, Stunner Slam, Tendon Cut,
-[X] Orthstirr: 20 Levels
-[X] Stoked Pool: Burn at least 8 on each Contested Movement, and make sure to keep the total below 63 by using it either there or on Stoker State Tricks.
-[X] Other: Activating Sharpen, Stoker State Level 4, Lightning-Charged on Sagaseeker, and Puncture on Tricks, and use quick-drawn Shields as needed for defense (especially against ranged attacks like Fleinns, and we will only use Stutter Step if this is not an option). Using Sundersight.
And here's the previously posted verbal response:
[X] "Those you have wronged are no warriors, mostly women and children, in truth. If your sister was wronged, would you want Griss to bring her along to seek vengeance against a man like you, a Third Grade Berserk who has shown no compunction about attacking and enthralling a woman? What of one of your retainers wives or daughters kidnapped away into thralldom and then freed, would you bring her into the din of battle to no purpose? Or children no more than seven winters old? Those are the sort of people in my service who you have wronged. It is the place of warriors in their household to avenge slights against those who are no warriors, as some are not."
Oh, right, also @Imperial Fister we have a Mastered Tactics Trick for gauging how much effort enemies are putting in. I'd think that would get us a rough range on how much Orthstirr they're spending? The above Orthstirr amount is basically a wild guess. We really need that info to plan that specific thing properly, and we have invested heavily into having it so we should probably generally get that info going forward.
Relatedly, our other Tactics Tricks should give us insight into Jogrim's greatest strength and weakness and whether he or Halla is a better wrestler. Those are only Refined, but they still seem like they should get us something.
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[X] Plan Directly Help Kare
[X] "Those you have wronged are no warriors, mostly women and children, in truth. If your sister was wronged, would you want Griss to bring her along to seek vengeance against a man like you, a Third Grade Berserk who has shown no compunction about attacking and enthralling a woman? What of one of your retainers wives or daughters kidnapped away into thralldom and then freed, would you bring her into the din of battle to no purpose? Or children no more than seven winters old? Those are the sort of people in my service who you have wronged. It is the place of warriors in their household to avenge slights against those who are no warriors, as some are not."
[X] "Those you have wronged are no warriors, mostly women and children, in truth. If your sister was wronged, would you want Griss to bring her along to seek vengeance against a man like you, a Third Grade Berserk who has shown no compunction about attacking and enthralling a woman? What of one of your retainers wives or daughters kidnapped away into thralldom and then freed, would you bring her into the din of battle to no purpose? Or children no more than seven winters old? Those are the sort of people in my service who you have wronged. It is the place of warriors in their household to avenge slights against those who are no warriors, as some are not."
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Entirely off topic from the fight, but how do we unlock an oil quenching research? Beyond the tempering issues water has, water causes oxide scale to penetrate deep into iron weakening it even more.
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We actually do oil quenching most of the time when it's important (we have hearthroot oil and have used it). Shields are inherently a bit disposable and these are made with Bog Iron to boot, so corners may be being cut slightly, I guess?
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They're motivated and skilled, it seems like the best option to me from an admittedly bad set of them.
I mean, we're doing exactly that in the plan I propose.
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Killing your friends is Nid, so we should try avoid that happening.
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I am okay with the Plan, Abjorn dealing with Kjallakr seems like a good idea. While we support Kare.
And sending friends to deal with Griss men might seem a bit bad, but i am sure they can manage to keep them busy without killing them. Or maybe talk them down. Hopefully the Norns don't feel particulary cruel this day.
[X] "Those you have wronged are no warriors, mostly women and children, in truth. If your sister was wronged, would you want Griss to bring her along to seek vengeance against a man like you, a Third Grade Berserk who has shown no compunction about attacking and enthralling a woman? What of one of your retainers wives or daughters kidnapped away into thralldom and then freed, would you bring her into the din of battle to no purpose? Or children no more than seven winters old? Those are the sort of people in my service who you have wronged. It is the place of warriors in their household to avenge slights against those who are no warriors, as some are not."
I am okay with the Plan, Abjorn dealing with Kjallakr seems like a good idea. While we support Kare.
And sending friends to deal with Griss men might seem a bit bad, but i am sure they can manage to keep them busy without killing them. Or maybe talk them down. Hopefully the Norns don't feel particulary cruel this day.
[X] "Those you have wronged are no warriors, mostly women and children, in truth. If your sister was wronged, would you want Griss to bring her along to seek vengeance against a man like you, a Third Grade Berserk who has shown no compunction about attacking and enthralling a woman? What of one of your retainers wives or daughters kidnapped away into thralldom and then freed, would you bring her into the din of battle to no purpose? Or children no more than seven winters old? Those are the sort of people in my service who you have wronged. It is the place of warriors in their household to avenge slights against those who are no warriors, as some are not."
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Is it? Family or oathsworn people, sure, but friends when there's a perfectly legitimate conflict of interests? I'm not at all sure that's nid.
But even if it is, the whole point is to avoid killing them in the first place.
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If I remember right, the research for heartroot oil quenching was to take advantage of it's magic properties. With how productive our farm is we should have plenty of extra seed to press into oil to then use as a full replacement of water. The question is how many techs we need to research to get to that point in the tech tree.
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Quenching in Hearthroot Oil doesn't consume it, is the thing (it absorbs the heat perfectly and then remains hot for a very long time...we've been using it to heat the house), so we can easily quench literally everything important we make in it with no issues.
I'm saying we shouldn't need to invest in this...for anything important we can do it already. If we didn't on the shields it's either QM oversight or purely because they're disposable.
Do we want to get the fight of our lives alloy here? Assuming we can? Getting it ready will be useful
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We already have it. The Alloy doesn't preclude the base usage, so we keep it slotted.