I have to say even if it does not win it's nice to have a plan in the running for the first time. 
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
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- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Somewhat unrelated to the current vote: it's just occurred to me that even if we aren't often going to use some of the Social Science subjects we've backfilled this turn, it'll be interesting to see what effect easy access to those subjects has on the development of the Library-We.
- Location
- Red Blood on Golden Shield
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) (The Gambler)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor) (Thorek)
-[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut with Panoramia
-[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Unnatural Shadow)
-[X] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae Part 1
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] Eike Actions: Ghyran Nut study, Karaz Ankor network, KAU action
-[X] Eike Study: Infiltration and Tradecraft with the Hochlander
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) (The Gambler)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor) (Thorek)
-[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut with Panoramia
-[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Unnatural Shadow)
-[X] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae Part 1
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] Eike Actions: Ghyran Nut study, Karaz Ankor network, KAU action
-[X] Eike Study: Infiltration and Tradecraft with the Hochlander
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Since Scouting is an intrigue action, training with Kazador and by extension blooding Eike might be something we might have more chance of doing in a turn where we want to focus on Eike's Intrigue - like for instance, also taking an action to train up our Infiltration, or inserting EIC agents somewhere (like maybe Marienburg?), or specific Grey College lessons like Interrogation or Assassination. That way she has a chance of learning quite a bit.
I definitely want to do that sooner than later, ideally next turn.
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)
-[X] SERENITY: Write a book : Aethyric Vitae 1/2
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (Everyone)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks Karaz Ankor: Runelord Thorek
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Auditory Seviroscope) Spend 5 CF for a Magister with Auditory Magesight to help out
-[X] JOHANN: Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Storms)
-[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Linguistic Drift in Lizardmen Glyphs & The Polyphenic Theory of Lizardmen Society
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] COIN: Gambler: Build a Waystone
-[X] Eike Study: Learn Enchantment at the Colleges 1 CF
-[X] Eike Actions: Karaz Ankor Network with Thorek, Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm, Explore the Ward of Storms with Johann
Remind me, i forgot, wasn't the "Deliver a wagon full of powerstones" last turn? Or was i misunderstanding the context people were talking about with "delivering a bunch of cool magic rocks at the same time as we reveal our other cool thing"
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)
-[X] SERENITY: Write a book : Aethyric Vitae 1/2
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (Everyone)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks Karaz Ankor: Runelord Thorek
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Auditory Seviroscope) Spend 5 CF for a Magister with Auditory Magesight to help out
-[X] JOHANN: Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Storms)
-[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Linguistic Drift in Lizardmen Glyphs & The Polyphenic Theory of Lizardmen Society
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] COIN: Gambler: Build a Waystone
-[X] Eike Study: Learn Enchantment at the Colleges 1 CF
-[X] Eike Actions: Karaz Ankor Network with Thorek, Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm, Explore the Ward of Storms with Johann
Remind me, i forgot, wasn't the "Deliver a wagon full of powerstones" last turn? Or was i misunderstanding the context people were talking about with "delivering a bunch of cool magic rocks at the same time as we reveal our other cool thing"
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Yeah; a while back, some people were championing acquiring Ethics and Philosophy subjects for the library during our purchase rounds for Eike and the Librarwe, and between the Nuln copypasta and the backfill, we've got a full +10 in those. It's nice when things work out.
Strongly agreed on every count.
You're thinking of the Orbs of Sorcery galaxy flex, which all the plans do. I assume that after we make them, there will be a vote about whether we deliver them immediately or whether we wait until the book is done.
EDIT: Wait, you might be thinking of Aksel's river leyline method, where he causes rivers to carry magic as we command by using a pile of mundane rocks and sacrificing a fish every now and then. It's a completely deranged "built it in a cave with a box of scraps" means of magical mega-engineering, and the thread loves it.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
neutronium95
Mad Rocketeer
- Location
- The launch pad
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
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- Location
- Actually pretty lost
So it's pretty early, but the top two frontrunners [Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition] and [Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts] are well ahead of the pack, with the next two options... being minor variations of those first two. The first plan that's any different is languishing at about a quarter of the votes of the top two.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
... On a completely unrelated note, if Mathilde's Elfcation leads to a sequence of events that somehow lets Teclis actually visit the Colleges again like he wanted, will that on top of her many other accomplishments lead to "Mathilde has broken the College Favor system" like when reclaiming K8P led to "Mathilde has broken the Dwarf Favor system"? Or would she need to become Supreme Matriarch to reach that level?
... On a completely unrelated note, if Mathilde's Elfcation leads to a sequence of events that somehow lets Teclis actually visit the Colleges again like he wanted, will that on top of her many other accomplishments lead to "Mathilde has broken the College Favor system" like when reclaiming K8P led to "Mathilde has broken the Dwarf Favor system"? Or would she need to become Supreme Matriarch to reach that level?
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) (The Gambler)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor) (Thorek)
-[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut with Panoramia
-[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Unnatural Shadow)
-[X] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae Part 1
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] Eike Actions: Ghyran Nut study, Karaz Ankor network, KAU action
-[X] Eike Study: Infiltration and Tradecraft with the Hochlander
It's the only one actually teaching Eike the grey wizard bits of being a grey wizard. Voting for that over anything else.
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) (The Gambler)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor) (Thorek)
-[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut with Panoramia
-[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Unnatural Shadow)
-[X] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae Part 1
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] Eike Actions: Ghyran Nut study, Karaz Ankor network, KAU action
-[X] Eike Study: Infiltration and Tradecraft with the Hochlander
It's the only one actually teaching Eike the grey wizard bits of being a grey wizard. Voting for that over anything else.
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Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I don't know, part of the reason we broke the favor system for dwarves is because we were an outsider who did so much for them that we may as well have been one of them (albeit, one without a Clan).
But we're already a wizard, of course, so anything we did for the Colleges would be seen as rightful and proper, wouldn't it? If, say, a Lady Magister or Magister Matriarch or Supreme Matriarch kills the Everchosen, that's pretty impressive and probably merits a reward, but it might not merit breaking the system.
Maybe it's impossible for us. Maybe you can only break the favor systems outside of them. Like, if a Dwarf went and saved the Colleges from certain destruction, maybe they'd break the College Favor system somehow? That's a funny thought. A singular dwarf might have difficulty making such a gigantic difference...
Side-eyes Borek and his axe
Most dwarves, anyway.
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We did not technically break the dwarf favor system all the way. DF still exists, if only in the form of a transitional currency we use to spend AV for the Runesmiths. What we did was make it so that we would no longer generate DF for most acts in the service of the Karaz Ankor and conversely that we would not need it for most of the things we used it, like getting rare books.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I think Boney has implied before that part of their reasoning was the sheer disconnect between our actions and how they would perceive Ranald.
Like, they looked at Sigmar and went 'Yes, the Manling Thane performs great martial deeds in honor of the closest thing they have to Grimnir, this makes sense.'
Then with Mathilde it's like, 'He's the god of… thievery? Why do the Manlings need a god of Thieves? What else? Spying? Chance? Armed mobs? This seems like some Thaggi Krut, where does fighting daemons with a greatsword come in?'
So they started looking for other possible reasons, asked Ranald if she was a Dwarf or something, and he responded with some bullshit.
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
It's been six hours since the vote opened, and there are two clear frontrunners. Major shifts in voting can and have happened (winning plans have been written and risen up from nowhere significantly after the opening of voting fairly often), so I am not by any means saying "you should give up hope and vote for one of those two." If someone wants to come along and disrupt the entrenched voting blocs, by all means, go for it, Ranald smiles upon you. I am saying, however, that you might want to think about which one of those you prefer, particularly if you are one of the multiple people who is currently voting for both plans (which you will notice is very similar to voting for neither) -- I was one of those people myself, so I picked my favorite.
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I love the 'explore the Ward of Storms' action in Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment etc. but I'm meh on the other two WEB-MAT action. I love the Ghyran nut action of Pondering Orbs and Nuts, but I'm meh on the arcane mark action. However, I much prefer the intrigue self-study action for Eike, so I'm approval voting for Orbs and Nuts (Eike shouldn't be on the KAU action btw).
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
I'm still, of course, voting for my own plans:
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
Alas, I will not be around for most of the vote and so I will not be able to drop my approval votes when the Father Sweep finally begins, but I'm sure it won't make a difference because the Father will win by such large margins.
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
I'm still, of course, voting for my own plans:
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
Alas, I will not be around for most of the vote and so I will not be able to drop my approval votes when the Father Sweep finally begins, but I'm sure it won't make a difference because the Father will win by such large margins.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
- Location
- Washington
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
[X] Plan Redshirt v1: Infrastructure Focus
[X] Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
[X] Plan Redshirt v1: Infrastructure Focus
[X] Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
I kinda miss it though, Used to be we could spend DF if we wanted to see Phoneix Crown. But now we need an actually good reason instead.
Honestly once we study Carstein ring notes I will probably start eyeing the runesmith favor we got. Only right for us to spend the favor we got for advancing runesmithing for advancing our enchantment knowledge really.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
As the author of Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts, I am not particularly attached to putting Eike on the KAU action. I have approval voted the variant plan with that removed (Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)), however there are a notable number of people only voting for one or the other. I encourage those who are only voting for one plan or the other to approval vote both until the variant plan catches up. Once the variant has caught up, some voters can drop their vote for the original plan without worrying about either plan losing.