Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
T43: A Voter's Guide
(to every plan with 5 or more votes at time of writing, with any plan that clears 5 votes from here on out getting added until that becomes too many and I rejigger the thresholds)
Do you like creating Orbs of Sorcery, building a Waystone prototype with the entire gang, and using our Serenity action on the AV book?
You're in luck! All the plans do this!
Do you want to make use of the Father side of Ranald's Coin to try to get a great deal out of recruiting the Damsels?
Yes, and I want to try to make a deal with Kalita-worshipping merchants to get ore for Laurelorn!
Vote for Plan: A Morbifying Ore Deal
Yes, but I'd prefer to work on the Schadensumpf bridge instead!
Vote for Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
No, I want to use the Gambler on building a Waystone prototype instead?
Great news, all remaining plans do this!
Do you want to work on the Schadensumpf bridge?
Yeah!
Vote for Plan Redshirt v1: Infrastructure Focus
No, I want to do Ithilmar sales instead?
Great news, all remaining plans do this!
Do you want to work on the Auditory Seviroscope, explore Laurelorn with Johann and Eike, and write some papers?
Yes, and I want our library staff to learn Old World languages in preparation for future acquisitions!
Vote for Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
Yes, and I want to negotiate library partnership with Karak Vlag!
Vote for Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
Do you want to explore Laurelorn without Johann and get some scouting training for Mathilde and Eike?
Vote for Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
Do you want to study the Ghyran Nut with Panoramia?
Yes, and I want Eike to see if she can learn anything in the Old World language classes from the library staff!
Vote for Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
Yes, but I think she should focus on her other actions instead!
Vote for Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
EDIT: I would be remiss if I did not link to these other resources:
@Gavin Prince's visual flowchart
@ReImagined's comparison of the top two plans
Tagging @Shard who wanted to know if this flowchart existed.
(to every plan with 5 or more votes at time of writing, with any plan that clears 5 votes from here on out getting added until that becomes too many and I rejigger the thresholds)
Do you like creating Orbs of Sorcery, building a Waystone prototype with the entire gang, and using our Serenity action on the AV book?
You're in luck! All the plans do this!
Do you want to make use of the Father side of Ranald's Coin to try to get a great deal out of recruiting the Damsels?
Yes, and I want to try to make a deal with Kalita-worshipping merchants to get ore for Laurelorn!
Vote for Plan: A Morbifying Ore Deal
Yes, but I'd prefer to work on the Schadensumpf bridge instead!
Vote for Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
No, I want to use the Gambler on building a Waystone prototype instead?
Great news, all remaining plans do this!
Do you want to work on the Schadensumpf bridge?
Yeah!
Vote for Plan Redshirt v1: Infrastructure Focus
No, I want to do Ithilmar sales instead?
Great news, all remaining plans do this!
Do you want to work on the Auditory Seviroscope, explore Laurelorn with Johann and Eike, and write some papers?
Yes, and I want our library staff to learn Old World languages in preparation for future acquisitions!
Vote for Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
Yes, and I want to negotiate library partnership with Karak Vlag!
Vote for Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
Do you want to explore Laurelorn without Johann and get some scouting training for Mathilde and Eike?
Vote for Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
Do you want to study the Ghyran Nut with Panoramia?
Yes, and I want Eike to see if she can learn anything in the Old World language classes from the library staff!
Vote for Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
Yes, but I think she should focus on her other actions instead!
Vote for Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
EDIT: I would be remiss if I did not link to these other resources:
@Gavin Prince's visual flowchart
@ReImagined's comparison of the top two plans
Tagging @Shard who wanted to know if this flowchart existed.
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I'll trust you on that and edited my plan accordingly.
First, even a limited partnership with the Library of Mournings would be pretty great if we can swing it. A kind of agreement where their scribes copy their own books for us and our scribes copy our books for them would be mutually beneficial AND might ba a way to bring in another Great House since the scribing could be long term endeavour that could be delegated to a particular house, thus allowing it to keep their relevance.
Second, things are "off the table" until they aren't. I explained my reasoning why I think a tech exchange makes sense for both parties, now I might be totally or partially wrong, but I haven't seen a great argument against. It's one thing for the Eonir to give their secrets for free, it's another to negotiate an agreement where they get very substential reward for their information.
And as a Grey Magister, Mathilde IS a diplomat of the Empire habilitated to negotiate for the Empire. She might have to get approbation for the trickiest parts of an agreement if it does go into "ambitious" goals such as military tech exchange but the negotiation IS within her purview. Mathilde is certainly the most well placed individual to make such a deal happen considering her personal and professionnal relations with the Eonir leader(s).
[X] Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
I wonder if we could use a ritual to solve the "lack of AV" problem. Like right now the issue is that any of the raw stuff of the warp entering the world auto explodes into the winds, but I wonder if a god could step in and prevent that reaction the same way the snake's body/mirror surface do in the mirror catch box.
I bet we could use AV as a divine liquid in that ritual. Honestly AV probably has a lot of potential uses as a ritual object just because it's a liquid of power.
I wonder if we could use a ritual to solve the "lack of AV" problem. Like right now the issue is that any of the raw stuff of the warp entering the world auto explodes into the winds, but I wonder if a god could step in and prevent that reaction the same way the snake's body/mirror surface do in the mirror catch box.
This part actually has a in universe "we don't get to decide that." Which is that middenheim has laid claim to selling weapons to the eonir in most forms. So gun sales go through middenheim exclusively.
I mean, your reasoning didn't really hold up to me even ignoring the other issues, like you said, the Eonir can eventually find out relatively common information on their own. So it doesn't really follow that they would trade extremely secret and critical knowledge that the Empire cannot find out in other ways for it.
More specifically why I think it's a bad idea even disregarding that though are these issues:
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Well, a book trade would not be selling guns. It would be trading some of the knowledge behind that. Even if the Eonir do get books on GUNS and CANNONS, there is still a huge step to actually get the know-how and industry necessary to produce those in useful quantities. Especially in a wood elf society that probably has some reservations about factories that darken the skies.
The knowledge is still precious for the Eonir in the long term, but I don't think we are undercutting Middenheim as much as you think. Plus, with contact with the outside world, the Eonir will be able to steal, buy or back-engineer guns eventually, but getting a shortcut is still valuable enough for us to profit by providing it.
It still would probably fall under Middenheims umbrella. As in they'd be very cross we did that, and we can guess that now so playing ignorant isn't in the cards.
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- Actually pretty lost
Thanks Pickle, you're a star.
I feel very strongly that we ought to have the patience to wait a turn or two on going Father and trying to bring in the Bretonnians.
I feel almost as strongly that we should be taking the Ithilmar action before somebody else notices the opportunity and does it first.
And I feel pretty strongly that we ought to be beelining towards Vlag's Fire Spire books, but fortunately pretty much everyone's doing that.
[x] Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
[x] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[x] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
[x] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
[x] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
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- North Wales
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- He/Him/His
A visual flowchart of the plans:
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- Location
- Earth
Here's a visual representation on how the two currently leading plans are overlapping:
[ ] The One True Plan™
-[ ] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo
-[ ] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) (The Gambler)
-[ ] Waystone: Other Networks Karaz Ankor: Runelord Thorek
-[ ] Contested Action slot #4
-[ ] Contested Action slot #5
-[ ] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae Part 1
-[ ] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[ ] COIN: The Gambler
-[ ] Eike Action: Contested, Karaz Ankor network
-[ ] Eike Study: Contested
Candidates for the contested action slots contrast going for WEB-MAT backlog actions like the auditory seviroscope, exploring the Ward of Storm, and dictation with independent backlog actions like arcane mark control and studying the ghyran nut.
[ ] The One True Plan™
-[ ] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo
-[ ] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) (The Gambler)
-[ ] Waystone: Other Networks Karaz Ankor: Runelord Thorek
-[ ] Contested Action slot #4
-[ ] Contested Action slot #5
-[ ] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae Part 1
-[ ] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[ ] COIN: The Gambler
-[ ] Eike Action: Contested, Karaz Ankor network
-[ ] Eike Study: Contested
Candidates for the contested action slots contrast going for WEB-MAT backlog actions like the auditory seviroscope, exploring the Ward of Storm, and dictation with independent backlog actions like arcane mark control and studying the ghyran nut.
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- California, USA
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Thanks, this was cool! I will always be blown away at the speed people can put things like this together.
But Preppin for the Elfcation isn't a Web-Mat plan, unfortunately.
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- North Wales
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Ah whoops. I'll fix that, but it'll be in an hour or two as I've got dinner plans.
We have an Ulgu power stone, so 35 CF for the other powerstones, plus 5 more for the Magister, plus 1 for Eike training for a total of 41, if I don't miscalculate.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Plus 1 more to pay the Hochlander his magic wages for the turn.
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- Earth