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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Codex said:
I have to wonder how him being the Patriarch of the Jade Order even works. According to Boney the people in his order usually don't know where he is at any given moment and they consider that normal. How is that supposed to work? What if you need to get him in a hurry? What about all the administrative work? Does he do it on the road, or does he just leave it at the hands of the LMs and he's basically an overpowered figurehead who comes back when it's a big deal to smash things and then go back on the road?
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Part of the equation is how much admin work are the people at the top expected to do personally. Paranoth is bound to be involved in the big stuff like promoting a new LM but - if the Grey Order rank structure holds true for the other Orders - there's other people that can sign off the budget, coordinate with other Orders and institutions, manage the Battle Mages and basically do most of the day to day stuff.

Algard has his Hands and is also coordinating a lot of spy masters and Grey Wizard first responders - the Jade Order is a lot less likely to need that much responsiveness.
 
I was rereading the update and something occurred to me @Boney can we buy a dwarf quality gun with the specific intent of gifting it to Vicarius Galenstra (since he seems to like them)? I do not imagine we could do that as merely a dwarf friend, but we are now a dwarf by cultural norm and the idea of a dwarf buying a gun to give to an elf friend does not strike me as that incredible, just unlikely.
 
Boney said:
You nod in understanding. You don't last long with the name Grey if you're not cautious about your travel arrangements, Kupfer is retired in all but name, and Melkoth has what might charitably be called a unique relationship with the passage of time. "Have you witnessed one of these before?"

"Not firsthand."
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@Boney
Does this line mean Reiner hasn't witnessed a SP duel and thus, was promoted recently within the last 8 years before the previous duel?

Unless he just didn't attend the previous SP duel for some reason?
 
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DragonParadox said:
I was rereading the update and something occurred to me @Boney can we buy a dwarf quality gun with the specific intent of gifting it to Vicarius Galenstra (since he seems to like them)? I do not imagine we could do that as merely a dwarf friend, but we are now a dwarf by cultural norm and the idea of a dwarf buying a gun to give to an elf friend does not strike me as that incredible, just unlikely.
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One-upping the Graf might not be the smoothest way to make friends.

Mellowfellow said:
@Boney was this line in the discussion spoken by Reiner Starke?

Does that mean Reiner hasn't witnessed a SP duel and thus, was promoted recently within the last 8 years before the previous duel?

Unless he just didn't attend the previous SP duel for some reason?
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Yes, it was. He's the second most recent to be promoted to Lord Magister. Maybe that was within the past eight years, maybe he missed the last one for some reason.
 
Boney said:
Yes, it was. He's the second most recent to be promoted to Lord Magister. Maybe that was within the past eight years, maybe he missed the last one for some reason.
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Were the challengers for Supreme Patriarch (other than Alric) also recently promoted?

DragonParadox said:
I was thinking of giving him a long gun to make it clear it is not a replacement but an addition
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That still seems like a flex since the Graf won't be able to one up Mathilde.
 
DragonParadox said:
I was thinking of giving him a long gun to make it clear it is not a replacement but an addition, would that still be politically unwise in Mathilde's judgement?
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Eonir strategy in general and Ward of Rain strategy in particular very heavily favours long-range engagements. If he has a good long gun, he probably won't ever use the short gun again. And the benefit of the gun is not just that it was a gift from the Graf, but also that it is human-made. Giving him a superior Dwarf-made gun is not only very easy to see as stealing the Graf's thunder, it could also be seen as sabotaging the efforts of the Empire on behalf of the Karaz Ankor.

Zero Gravitas said:
Were the challengers for Supreme Patriarch (other than Alric) also recently promoted?
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Everything Mathilde knows about those individuals was said to her during that scene.
 
Boney said:
Yes, it was. He's the second most recent to be promoted to Lord Magister. Maybe that was within the past eight years, maybe he missed the last one for some reason.
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Did Reiner Starke get instantly assigned the role of Porter when he got promoted to Lord Magister or was there an intermediary LM period before he became Porter?
 
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Boney said:
Eonir strategy in general and Ward of Rain strategy in particular very heavily favours long-range engagements. If he has a good long gun, he probably won't ever use the short gun again. And the benefit of the gun is not just that it was a gift from the Graf, but also that it is human-made. Giving him a superior Dwarf-made gun is not only very easy to see as stealing the Graf's thunder, it could also be seen as sabotaging the efforts of the Empire on behalf of the Karaz Ankor.
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*grumble grumble* Stupid symbolism gets in the way of buying our new friend a better gun to kill beastmen with. :V

No seriously though that does make sense, thanks for the answer.
 
Boney said:
The Elven Gods are metaphors for the many facets of the Elven mind and soul.
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You know, considering this it probably says something about the Elves that they have a god of just straight up murder.

It probably says something worse about humans that we have three gods of war, and possibly more depending on how you're counting them.
 
Voikirium said:
You know, considering this it probably says something about the Elves that they have a god of just straight up murder.

It probably says something worse about humans that we have three gods of war, and possibly more depending on how you're counting them.
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I think what it says about the elves is that the recognize that war is always at its core murder even when it is fought for the best of reasons against the worst of foes. If you ask an elf standing over the corpse of a beastman 'was that murder', he will say yes not try to hide behind the supposed glory of war and righteousness of his cause.

Of course that can go both ways, either you feel sorrow for every life taken or you feel sorrow for none and go on murder parties like the Druchi.
 
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Codex said:
If I were to modify it so it seems more sensible, I think I would just say that the Jade Order is a magically inundated space so constant maintenance of the Fenbeasts isn't required, and there isn't a score of them, just a few. I would also maybe say that they are usually dormant and are only activated in times of import such as dealing with intruders. That seems more reasonable. It also would make sense if outsiders saw the Fenbeasts active at some point and the stories became exaggerated. That tends to happen a lot.
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Or that they have to maintain certain fen beasts for secret reasons and cannot create them again, so task a bunch of apprentices to keep the things intact...and do chores because you can't use them for heavy exertions outside of true crisis
 
DragonParadox said:
It is worth keeping in mind that Mathilde lives on the ass end of nowhere not in Aldorf. I do not think anyone was keeping secrets so much as her not being caught up on college gossip. I mean why would she be?
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I think this is quite likely. I forgot his name, but for the Grey Magister that Mathilde talked too when investigating the possibility of Waystones, Mathilde was able to acquire a decent amount of his history before talking to him. If Mathilde wanted to know more about various magisters, I believe she should be able to, but due to her location and interests it is too much work for too little reward.
 
On the subject of Amethyst-Morrite ties RoS (p.113) says that many Amethysts are ex-morrites:

There are an inordinate number of ex-seminarians from the priesthood of Morr who have joined the Amethyst Order. It is not that uncommon among those who feel drawn to serve Morr that they may in fact have a particular sensitivity to the Purple Wind of Magic. When this happens, the wouldbe priests often see its churning energies descend upon their services and rituals, a process that priests lacking witchsight cannot, or do not wish to, explain. Those that manifest signs of power not bestowed upon them by their God directly through prayer and ritual are deemed either to be cursed or unsuitable candidates for Morr's priesthood. Such rejected and disenchanted individuals often find themselves drawn to the sepulchre building of the Amethyst Order. If they heed this call, they are set upon an inevitable path from that can rarely, if ever, be deviated from.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
That is mildly surprising considering they're from less secretive Orders than the Grey Order.
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Mathilde is not a search engine with connection to Warhammer wiki and source materials. Just because information exists out there doesn't mean she knows it, she is but one woman, her time is finite, and it is better spent on learning things that are necessary for task at hand.

Why would she be digging about the exact details of other Colleges staff when its not necessary for whatever she is trying to do.
 
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LockedMind said:
On the subject of Amethyst-Morrite ties RoS (p.113) says that many Amethysts are ex-morrites:
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To add to this, here is the relevant part of a Boney post talking about initial founding of the colleges:
Boney said:
When Teclis of Ulthuan and Magnus the Pious founded the Colleges of Magic, they didn't do so from scratch....
....And even though Teclis did not challenge the Empire's religious orders when they said that Divine and Arcane were completely unrelated, more than a few priests decided they were more attracted to the trappings of their deity than the deity proper and joined the Colleges instead.
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@Boney I have a question about a setting thing in Warhammer Fantasy and how it applies to DL. Nearly every map I look at that depicts Araby, including the ones you use for the world, has this place at the south of Araby's mountain range called the Palace of the Wizard Caliph. No matter how far back I look at maps, it seems to be a constant feature. I tried looking for information on him and the only thing I got was from Page 6 of the Warhammer WFRP 2E Companion book, where there's a brief mention that the Wizard Caliph is a very powerful wizard who specialises in the lifting and inflicting of curses and his service can be bought, albeit at a high price that most would not be willing to pay.

My question is if he exists in DL, and any details you might have on him if you thought about him at all. There's a good chance you never considered him before in which case ignore my question.
 
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