Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.
 
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Magoose explicitly said that they were willing to give them up. Not just in a WoG, but in the update itself. Here it is.

According to this, strengthening our presence in the cities would be what would convince them to give them up, since they wouldn't want to reintegrate them.
That update does not say they are going to give them up, it says that they are seriously considering it. That's not full confirmation of them giving it up. As I said before, unless the Chinese/Magoose declares that they are fully leaving them alone, not just considering it, then I'm going with the presuposition that it will still happen.
 
That update does not say they are going to give them up, it says that they are seriously considering it. That's not full confirmation of them giving it up. As I said before, unless the Chinese/Magoose declares that they are fully leaving them alone, not just considering it, then I'm going with the presuposition that it will still happen.
Yes, and it also claims that the reason they are considering it is because of the already strong, existing Lucasfilms presence in both Hong Kong and Macau. Obviously the way to tip it over the edge would be to increase that influence. You're asking for confirmation on something that he literally can't confirm, because we haven't fulfilled the conditions to have it be guaranteed. IMO this is a silly contention.
 
He's already made statements that the PRC are willing to leave Hong Kong and Macau alone as our influence spreads, which more than likely means that, if for some reason Britain is unable to maintain control over the territory, it would be given over to Taiwan or made into independent city states.

To clarify there's no record of Magoose ever saying this. I said this in my How the World sees Bruce report as a faction of the CCP debating abandoning Hong Kong and Macau for fear of Lucasfilms. I never wrote that this was the new goal of the party or Deng Xiaoping and Magoose never confirmed it was going to be the future.

Apparently the fear of you is so great that there is serious debate within the party over letting the UK and Portugal keep Hong Kong and Macau because both cities are avid consumers of Lucasfilms and if they reunify with China then those films will spread and cause a revolution, thus continuing the colonial legacy is worth avoiding a Romania. Even with China becoming an American partner and opening up more to the world, as long as the CCP remains in charge it seems like you shall never step one foot on Chinese soil. What a shame.

I was the one explicitly responsible for writing this section as Magoose trusted me with the international stuff, and I just said that some party members wanted to let Hong Kong and Macau go over fears of Dracula as that seemed like a logical response to Romania. Magoose has never cofirmed that the CCP wants to leave the two cities alone, so until otherwise China plans to annex them both in 1997 and because of that, we'll only have the campus operational for 15 years and then a spiteful CCP tears it down and bans us from conducting business in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong and Macau are intrinsically tied to China's century of humiliation. Them existing outside of China is seen as an insult to China that they need to correct at all costs like Alsace-Lorraine for France before WW1 but ten times worse. Even when China got what it wanted OTL, it's actively trying to turn Hong Kong into an authoritarian state 30 years before it becomes totally part of China. China will not tolerate Lucasfilms, which it sees as a threat to the CCP's existence and thus ordered Bruce to be assassinated, operating in Hong Kong. That is seen to China as Lucasfilms operating in China proper.

It's possible that thanks to the environment here that China may be very willing to give it up, but there's no confirmation yet so we have to assume that they're treating it like OTL.

Oh, they likely don't need the Campus at all to conduct their operations, but given the nature of their operations, it wouldn't hurt for them to have additional resources and outposts to observe enemy operations in a manner that most would overlook.

Then what's the point of giving the campus to them as a base? If they don't need it as you say, then having the campus be a place of CIA operations does nothing but push us into trouble and more retaliation from the CCP. Besides, if it leaks that we're active partners for the CIA and letting Lucasfilms conduct business there, then there's gonna be a major backlash domestically and abroad for Lucasfilms being seen as part of the G-Men and a large level of distrust towards us, especially in countries historically fucked over by the CIA.

There's also the ultimate fact that I don't think George would approve of this at all. He made Return of the Jedi a Vietnam allegory and he intensely hates authoritarian American governments like Nixon and shadowy security stuff. Half of Revenge of the Sith and the Clone Wars is basically a warning against the Patriot Act and the War on Terror. It's completely OOC for George to just let one of his major company facilities be used by the CIA and he would veto us, likely joined by Marcia and Mike.

While I can appreciate that sentiment, the fact of the matter is is that it continues to state "You want California to help the men who have given nearly everything and more to this country.".

That's just Magoose not having updated the O'Reilly lobbying, it's not proof of the Foundation's lack of national infrastructure. It's along the same lines of the Gopher action being there for several years after Bruce became a big time filmmaker and studio owner. We've seen multiple times in the updates that the O'Reilly Foundation operates nationally and gives aid to veterans in every state. There's no need to dump money to get the Foundation what they are already doing.

I disagree here, based on the text of the vote itself, where it only states that we will act opposite of him. If it's like anything else, it'll be a miniturn for how involved in the project we want to be, which means that we can ask Clint for a fairly minor role that shouldn't eat up too much of our time and let's Bruce get a taste of whether or not he wants to be involved in more Westerns [eventually, I want us to act beside Jensen Ackles in a Western, but that isn't central to the argument].

As Overmind said, the Batman option indicates that this is the start of preproduction and Alan wants us to start production now for a release next year. It would be best to not anger Columbia by going along with the schedule and getting production of Batman done soon. Clint can wait, he doesn't have a set timer on his request, we need to get Batman done soon.

Considering that Empire Strikes Back is likely still in theaters and Smokey and the Bandit II, Xanadu and The Octagon all release this month too, it might be more appropriate to hold off another month for people's wallets to fill back up and where it won't have a whole lotta competition.

Empire Strikes Back was released on May 21st. It's been more than two months and even with it being the greatest movie ever, it's been long enough for other movies to successfully release and make a profit. It's not like Avatar or Avengers: Endgame shutdown literally any other movie from being released for the next three months. It's still summer and it's a Lucasfilms distribution so Star Wars fans will want to see it, and the Western world will want to see Romanian cinema thanks to Romanian fevor from the war.

Considering our earnings for ESB, the right move will probably be to pump those numbers up at least by $25M to avoid accusations of being stingy with our charity money.

I highly doubt that will be the case since Bruce has given more money to charity than most millionaires alive. I might add a little more, but I was hoping to save so we could provide support for the recently immigrated Cubans once the Boatlift officially ends. Plus, we're running close to running out of our liquid savings from the start of the year and we're still operating under the Carter tax code so that's 70% of our income.

Magoose explicitly said that they were willing to give them up. Not just in a WoG, but in the update itself. Here it is.

According to this, strengthening our presence in the cities would be what would convince them to give them up, since they wouldn't want to reintegrate them.


Edit: Can't fucking sleep. Took NyQuil, it's not working very well. This sucks so fucking much.

As I stated up above, that specific wording was entirely on me, NOT MAGOOSE, and I wrote that to open up a plausible reason for them giving up on Hong Kong and Macau if Magoose Dice wanted to go that direction, not that it was set in stone and going to happen. For now it's just debate, it's about as liable to happen as the School Prayer Amendment was. I mainly did it for wanting to let the two cities have a better future, but unless Magoose is willing to approve, then China will not give up.
 
I was the one explicitly responsible for writing this section as Magoose trusted me with the international stuff, and I just said that some party members wanted to let Hong Kong and Macau go over fears of Dracula as that seemed like a logical response to Romania. Magoose has never cofirmed that the CCP wants to leave the two cities alone, so until otherwise China plans to annex them both in 1997 and because of that, we'll only have the campus operational for 15 years and then a spiteful CCP tears it down and bans us from conducting business in Hong Kong.
As I stated up above, that specific wording was entirely on me, NOT MAGOOSE, and I wrote that to open up a plausible reason for them giving up on Hong Kong and Macau if Magoose Dice wanted to go that direction, not that it was set in stone and going to happen. For now it's just debate, it's about as liable to happen as the School Prayer Amendment was. I mainly did it for wanting to let the two cities have a better future, but unless Magoose is willing to approve, then China will not give up.
Well, if you wrote it, then that obviously becomes a different matter, but I would like to point out that he did approve of it. If he had a problem with it, he would have said something. He would have done it either when you gave him the work, in order to have it removed, or now, during these back and forth's, in order to clear up any misconceptions. He has also expressed openness to the idea outside of the updates. Ultimately, I think it's still an idea I'm willing to pursue.
 
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And you want to tie one of our campus into that? Look, I'm sure that may make it look more exciting and all, but i'm not in this quest to get involved in spy thrills or trying to get our studio tied up to one of the Big Spying agencies for the country. I'm fine with us making movies, not trying to bring down the Chinese government.

Now, if that happens because of our movies, then that's another thing all together.
In what way have I suggested that I wanted this, having the CIA operating out of the Hong Kong Campus, as something "more exciting"? Don't put those words in my mouth, because in all honesty, I'd rather not be involving them at all, but given what happened and to keep our people safe, a deal has to be made.

Not to mention, we already know they want a Favor in the future, it says directly in the Results section, and this is one of the only ways I can think of that has it even remotely work out in our favor, pre-empting whatever it is that they will eventually ask for.
I disagree. We've yet to know if we will get to choose the role or if Clint will be the one to suggest it. More than likely he'll want us to act in a role big enough for us, and to show how Westerns can be good. We don't know it though, and I'm not willing to gamble on that and probably make it so that Batman gets sidetracked, specially since the movie is part of a contract with Columbia.
But
I say we try. Our Distribution has always found a way to succeed in one way or another (wit the exception of some duds here and there) and a Romanian film might just be a good palate cleanser for those who want something a bit different than Empire.
It's the other movies, sitting at an era appropriate combined total of over $110M, that are the concern here.

I'd rather give it more room for success, than anything.
Come one man, that's the option that gave us Arnold!
And the only thing worse than that was our long string of attempts at Stand Up that put us in the same corner of the world as Joe Rogan.
I would think it's because said war is technically in an armistice, but perhaps we could add some more millions into it.
I'd think that too, if it wasn't signed in July 1953, months after Stalin died; we'd be celebrating the start of US involvement in the war, not the Armistice.
To clarify there's no record of Magoose ever saying this. I said this in my How the World sees Bruce report as a faction of the CCP debating abandoning Hong Kong and Macau for fear of Lucasfilms. I never wrote that this was the new goal of the party or Deng Xiaoping and Magoose never confirmed it was going to be the future.
Hong Kong and Macau are intrinsically tied to China's century of humiliation. Them existing outside of China is seen as an insult to China that they need to correct at all costs like Alsace-Lorraine for France before WW1 but ten times worse. Even when China got what it wanted OTL, it's actively trying to turn Hong Kong into an authoritarian state 30 years before it becomes totally part of China. China will not tolerate Lucasfilms, which it sees as a threat to the CCP's existence and thus ordered Bruce to be assassinated, operating in Hong Kong. That is seen to China as Lucasfilms operating in China proper.

It's possible that thanks to the environment here that China may be very willing to give it up, but there's no confirmation yet so we have to assume that they're treating it like OTL.
Because of what happened, we can argue back and forth on this topic but the one you're ignoring is that, because of what happened, an argument can be made that [pretty soon in this timeline, and especially if things don't stabilize for them] the PRC is not the legitimate China, Taiwan is.

In that scenario, it wouldn't go against the spirit of the agreement the Britain and China for the UK to return those cities to Taiwain instead.
Then what's the point of giving the campus to them as a base? If they don't need it as you say, then having the campus be a place of CIA operations does nothing but push us into trouble and more retaliation from the CCP. Besides, if it leaks that we're active partners for the CIA and letting Lucasfilms conduct business there, then there's gonna be a major backlash domestically and abroad for Lucasfilms being seen as part of the G-Men and a large level of distrust towards us, especially in countries historically fucked over by the CIA.

There's also the ultimate fact that I don't think George would approve of this at all. He made Return of the Jedi a Vietnam allegory and he intensely hates authoritarian American governments like Nixon and shadowy security stuff. Half of Revenge of the Sith and the Clone Wars is basically a warning against the Patriot Act and the War on Terror. It's completely OOC for George to just let one of his major company facilities be used by the CIA and he would veto us, likely joined by Marcia and Mike.
As I said previously, its me trying to get ahead of a shitty situation by not only having Bruce making a Very Loud Statement by putting a Campus there but also getting ahead of the Favor the CIA'll ask of us.
That's just Magoose not having updated the O'Reilly lobbying, it's not proof of the Foundation's lack of national infrastructure. It's along the same lines of the Gopher action being there for several years after Bruce became a big time filmmaker and studio owner. We've seen multiple times in the updates that the O'Reilly Foundation operates nationally and gives aid to veterans in every state. There's no need to dump money to get the Foundation what they are already doing.
Look, you can say what you want about that, but the fact of the matter is, best I can find? Neither official statement, update or even Omake reward supports this.
Empire Strikes Back was released on May 21st. It's been more than two months and even with it being the greatest movie ever, it's been long enough for other movies to successfully release and make a profit. It's not like Avatar or Avengers: Endgame shutdown literally any other movie from being released for the next three months. It's still summer and it's a Lucasfilms distribution so Star Wars fans will want to see it, and the Western world will want to see Romanian cinema thanks to Romanian fevor from the war.
In what world is giving a film room to breathe a bad thing, especially since we want the film to get a shit ton of exposure?
I highly doubt that will be the case since Bruce has given more money to charity than most millionaires alive. I might add a little more, but I was hoping to save so we could provide support for the recently immigrated Cubans once the Boatlift officially ends. Plus, we're running close to running out of our liquid savings from the start of the year and we're still operating under the Carter tax code so that's 70% of our income.
I'm just saying, we got a good chunk of the Republican Far-right and Kissinger not being our biggest fans.

Also, why are we doing this for the 30th Anniversary for the start of the war, and not the end of it?

[EDIT: Sorry for the late response, been typing this on my phone.]
 
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Also, why are we doing this for the 30th Anniversary for the start of the war, and not the end of it?

[EDIT: Sorry for the late response, been typing this on my phone.]

There are lots of anniversary stuff for the start of a war. In 2011 we had events commemorating 150 years since the American Civil War and in 2014 marking 100 years since the start of World War I. It's not meant to be a happy thing, mostly just to honor the service of veterans who fought in it and make sure Korea is remembered.
 
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FINALLY


The Reformation of the JKD as an organization! Getting the core students back together is gonna be fun!

What's the status of retaliation against China for the assassination attempt and the potential protections we could get from traveling to Hong Kong? Because I don't want Bruce to set a foot in that city without guarantees.

Knowing China's track record of doing "business" they'd prolly send deniable triads after Bruce. But thankfully given this is still before their 90's economic boom. So they're still relatively weak that with enough pressure and soft power we can butterfly their dreams of today's Authoritarian Imperial Hegemony away.

Big plus having CIA getting a bit more hands on and active in the region.
 
Well, we're fucked. Seriously, why the fucking desire to escalate with China and align our studio with the feds (which Will be discovered) thus taintng our reputation, I'll never know.

But fine, when this blows in our faces we'll at least have the memories.
 
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Only because I don't see the point in these campuses. They seem like an idea from Walt Disney before his animators when on strike. Also if we want to spite China let's make a movie about the Uighers or some other historical movie that paints the commies as bastards.
 
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Well, we're fucked. Seriously, why the fucking desire to escalate with China and align our studio with the feds (which Will be discovered) thus taintng our reputation, I'll never know.

But fine, when this blows in our faces we'll at least have the memories.
If you're gonna Doom and Gloom about my plan, at the very least acknowledge I gave you answer to that question [even if you aren't happy with it], none of this "I'll never know" nonsense.
Only because I don't see the point in these campuses. They seem like an idea from Walt Disney before his animators when on strike.
Their point, what I've always intended from the beginning, is to get access local workers and talent, and cut down on our need to continually network overseas to get access to titles, especially now that we have a TV station.
 
If you're gonna Doom and Gloom about my plan, at the very least acknowledge I gave you answer to that question [even if you aren't happy with it], none of this "I'll never know" nonsense.
Your answer is nonsensical; it's basically "We owe the CIA so this Will pre-empt it" and that it has to be done ti keep our people safe.

It doesn't for either of those reasins. We don't know what the CIA will ask of us, and trying to tie ourselves so right becuse of it is ridículous. As for keeping our people safe, I seriously doubt Magoose is going to do this every single turn as well.

I'm going to be honest; I find your plan wasteful, but it's that option that makes it dangerous in my mind, as it involves too much risk for nearly nothing in the end.
 
Well, we're fucked. Seriously, why the fucking desire to escalate with China and align our studio with the feds (which Will be discovered) thus taintng our reputation, I'll never know.

But fine, when this blows in our faces we'll at least have the memories.
I know that tempers can flare so please remeber that it's just a quest. Okay?
Their point, what I've always intended from the beginning, is to get access local workers and talent, and cut down on our need to continually network overseas to get access to titles, especially now that we have a TV station.
I know what you're proposing but I find it too grandiose. Instead I propose we copy Netflix OTL and just open an office building and hunt for talent/scripts and have them made on site with connections in the region or have them done in our backyard in Cali or Japan. Blowing 100 million dollars on a state of the art campus is a bit much. But hey if our subdivision is succesfull we can expand them later like we did with Sunrise.
 
Your answer is nonsensical; it's basically "We owe the CIA so this Will pre-empt it" and that it has to be done ti keep our people safe.

It doesn't for either of those reasins. We don't know what the CIA will ask of us, and trying to tie ourselves so right becuse of it is ridículous. As for keeping our people safe, I seriously doubt Magoose is going to do this every single turn as well.

I'm going to be honest; I find your plan wasteful, but it's that option that makes it dangerous in my mind, as it involves too much risk for nearly nothing in the end.
One thing i know for certain is that China will not stop until either they get deposed or Bruce gets killed and our family and friends will be in the crossfire.
 
Hey so... if the Reagan wins and becomes president he would probably do the whole "War on drugs" thing, right?

Okay so, if that's the case, I think that my pitch for the police procederal Narc should become a show in the next 3-4 years, in order to bring more awareness to the damage drugs can do, how it affects certain communities and how the police and the federal government are trying to fight those problems.

Then again, we have so many TV pitches and not a real channel of our own, so this might not be a possibility even in that time frame.

Edit: Fixed it to Reagan, everyone. The fuck up has been fixed.
 
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