Starfleet Design Bureau

[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Biological-Rated Transporter Room (Transporter Capability)
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Deflector Array Sensor Analysis (+1 Science, Advanced Scanners)
 
The way I see it, this is the next step in the progression to a truly multi-role fleet. Yes, this ship's main mission is to be a surveyor, and with what we've largely voted to put in it, it can do it's job admirably, better than any ship in our current fleet. But by giving it a secondary role as a medical research/assistance vessel, it gives the class longer legs and more time in use for one role or another and expands it's scope and reach beyond simply looking at stellar or planetary phenomena and understanding them on a scientific level. And, at the end of the day, it's a way to uphold one of the Federation's core tennets: to help those in need, wherever they may be, in a far more immediate way than simply with knowledge and understanding.
 
[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Biological-Rated Transporter Room (Transporter Capability)
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Deflector Array Sensor Analysis (+1 Science, Advanced Scanners)
 
[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Secondary Computer Core (+1 Science) [+1 Civilian Industry]
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Deflector Array Sensor Analysis (+1 Science, Advanced Scanners)

Here's the thing: we're not going to be told "she's a great science ship, but on her first deployment she encountered Turnsbonesintoslime Disease and the entire crew were reduced to fleshy puddles for lack of a biolab". If we don't pick the biolab it's just not going to be mentioned, it'll be something to do with the scanners instead.

Imagine if we could one-up the Vulcans by finding and screwing up the Hanoli system's famous Subspace Canoli before they get the chance.
 
[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Secondary Computer Core (+1 Science) [+1 Civilian Industry]
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Deflector Array Sensor Analysis (+1 Science, Advanced Scanners)

Edit(Reasoning)
Astrometrics/acience Labs are a gimmie. These are not exploration vehicles, nor haulers. Explorers benefit more from generalization, this is a science ship.

Let them do what they are supposed to do.

So it comes down to

[Transporter vs Computer Core] && [Deflector Array sensor Analysis vs Biosciences]

I could go eaither way with the Transporter/Computer core. I think Transporters are fantastic in an emergency, and save time, and let you get up to all kinds of shenanagins. But having to take a shuttle isn't a deal breaker. I would not take Transporeters without Biosciences however, because all sorts of shenanigans happen when you don't land on the planet and scan the shit out of the air from your shuttle, before you step outside.

The science cancels out leaving with [Advanced Scanners+Civ Ind], vs [Transporters] If this were an exploration ship, then i'd give it to the transporters, but its a science vessel, scanners are the bread and butter of sciences. And Civ Industry can give a bit of flexability in case they want/need to actually do something about their findings.
 
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[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Biological-Rated Transporter Room (Transporter Capability)
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Deflector Array Sensor Analysis (+1 Science, Advanced Scanners)
 
[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Secondary Computer Core (+1 Science) [+1 Civilian Industry]
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Biosciences/Medical Laboratory (+2 Science)
 
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[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Secondary Computer Core (+1 Science) [+1 Civilian Industry]
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Deflector Array Sensor Analysis (+1 Science, Advanced Scanners)
 
Picking every science option gives us 9 science, while the transporter and Deflector array leave us with seven, I'm assuming that 2 point difference is going to be more major that it seems or something. Really want this to be a vessel specked out for researching planets specifically.

I assume why the biolab gives one more science than the sensors, and why its better, is that the survey ship is expected to park itself over a planet; and basically start doing some deep research. My impression of the scanners is that they would be better on a explorer, as an explorers purpose is to log an interesting thing then move on quickly whereas a survey ship would stick around a place for a longer amount of time; meaning the sensors aren't entirely necessary as the crew of the survey ship are taking their time to research things planeside.
 
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[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Secondary Computer Core (+1 Science) [+1 Civilian Industry]
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Deflector Array Sensor Analysis (+1 Science, Advanced Scanners)

Here's the thing: we're not going to be told "she's a great science ship, but on her first deployment she encountered Turnsbonesintoslime Disease and the entire crew were reduced to fleshy puddles for lack of a biolab". If we don't pick the biolab it's just not going to be mentioned, it'll be something to do with the scanners instead.

Imagine if we could one-up the Vulcans by finding and screwing up the Hanoli system's famous Subspace Canoli before they get the chance.
Well the Vulcans caused that by shooting a torpedo at it, this ship did not get torpedoes (sad, torpedoes are great). Therefore, we probably won't screw up that bad, if we encounter it of course.
 
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[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Secondary Computer Core (+1 Science) [+1 Civilian Industry]
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Deflector Array Sensor Analysis (+1 Science, Advanced Scanners)
 
Picking every science option gives us 7 science, while the transporter and Deflector array leave us with five, I'm assuming that 2 point difference is going to be more major that it seems or something. Really want this to be a vessel specked out for researching planets specifically.
9 Science total, actually, since we already have 2 in the score.
 
The current scores are also why I'm fine skipping on the cargo bay, along with the fact that... I think we already have one? There looks to be a teeny-tiny little one right above where the ventral phaser sits.

I also really love that rear-facing observation lounge/mess hall.
 
I'll throw out that while a shuttle could get a team to all the locations around the world for a survey (given time) in that same time many scientists and their equipment could be transported around a hemisphere, or shuffled around if things are interesting, or sent to collect imagery, scans, and samples for transport back.

In home improvement terms it's like saying I could drive to the store at each new hiccup in my project vs being able to have biochemical reagents teleported to me (or away into secure/cryo storage). Plus other people might be interested in using the car. It's 100% workable but eats up project time surprisingly quickly.

As far as there being specialized facilities elsewhere for deep dives into planet surveying , the samples, initial look, and reference images they'd be using all need to come from somewhere. Having a ship specialized into doing so would allow for a more thorough job to be done in the same amount of time. I also get the impression that humans in trek are more adventurous than other races and will poke at a lot more stuff (more quickly) or try to colonize in places other races wouldn't bother with while earth is expanding. Supply bases, research outposts, colonies, etc on worlds other species would fly by since there's no dilithium or duranium.
 
[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 2: Secondary Computer Core (+1 Science) [+1 Civilian Industry]
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Deflector Array Sensor Analysis (+1 Science, Advanced Scanners)


Well, it's fodder for the anomaly of the week and it's options in a fight are "run away" and "explode heroically" so I guess we'd better hope we have time to build a better one before the Klingon War starts because they'll drop like flies.

Bah, shoulda just used a sphere hull. Oh well, spilt milk and all that.


We'll just have to learn our lesson about cost effectiveness and make sure not to skimp on the hull for the Utility cruser and especially the Explorer when we get there.
 
Personally despite pushing for it I'm not going to be too put out if we don't get the computer core, transporters would be nice. I'm just mostly voting on vibes and feeling like I would really not enjoy getting caught in a 4-way fight between Astrometrics, Biosciences, General Sciences, and the Captain of the ship itself over who gets how much computer time.

I also really love that rear-facing observation lounge/mess hall.
I know, I quite like that little detail. Nice way to provide the crew with a good view, while also acting as a convenient way to vent lots of red shirts at once when the time comes.
 
I also really love that rear-facing observation lounge/mess hall.
I'm less in love with there being segregated enlisted and officer messes, both because of the social implications and because the officers' mess takes up much of the fore parts of decks 3 and 4! Why do the officers need two decks? Are they all three meters tall?
EDIT: oh, wait, that's a medbay and those are biobeds rather than tables and chairs, isn't it?
 
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Personally despite pushing for it I'm not going to be too put out if we don't get the computer core, transporters would be nice. I'm just mostly voting on vibes and feeling like I would really not enjoy getting caught in a 4-way fight between Astrometrics, Biosciences, General Sciences, and the Captain of the ship itself over who gets how much computer time.


I know, I quite like that little detail. Nice way to provide the crew with a good view, while also acting as a convenient way to vent lots of red shirts at once when the time comes.
Honestly any ship that Does Science as its main role ought to have Aux Computing just so it doesn't have "someone's polymorphic algorithm experiment mutated into a virus/became an unfortunately murderous AI/got possessed by Space Ghosts from another dimension and crashed/took over the computer core." As a failure state.
Run that kind of thing on the Aux core with an ensign standing next to the power cables with the regulation insulated fire axe. Much safer.
 
I'll throw out that while a shuttle could get a team to all the locations around the world for a survey (given time) in that same time many scientists and their equipment could be transported around a hemisphere, or shuffled around if things are interesting, or sent to collect imagery, scans, and samples for transport back.

In home improvement terms it's like saying I could drive to the store at each new hiccup in my project vs being able to have biochemical reagents teleported to me (or away into secure/cryo storage). Plus other people might be interested in using the car. It's 100% workable but eats up project time surprisingly quickly.

As far as there being specialized facilities elsewhere for deep dives into planet surveying , the samples, initial look, and reference images they'd be using all need to come from somewhere. Having a ship specialized into doing so would allow for a more thorough job to be done in the same amount of time. I also get the impression that humans in trek are more adventurous than other races and will poke at a lot more stuff (more quickly) or try to colonize in places other races wouldn't bother with while earth is expanding. Supply bases, research outposts, colonies, etc on worlds other species would fly by since there's no dilithium or duranium.

The humans of star trek, at least on earth, live in a utopia; one that encourages them to pursue their interests over working for profit so yeah they are more adventurous and also competent than modern earth humans. We see in TOS and pretty much every Star Trek series, that they tend to explore planet-side personally by choice rather than just scan distantly or use robots to explore remotely, even to the point were captains sometimes join away crews. Which is another reason I think the scanners might not be the best choice, they will probably end up at least somewhat under utilized, because presumably federation humans like doing things hands on.

The biolab probably has scanners and equipment more advanced and nuanced than the personal tricorders that the away crews will be using probably, and would allow for deeper scans of local flora and fauna of interest, honestly I think survey ships are more or less meant to sit in orbit around a planet for a few months; and assist in research before a permanent outpost can be established.
 
The humans of star trek, at least on earth, live in a utopia; one that encourages them to pursue their interests over working for profit so yeah they are more adventurous and also competent than modern earth humans. We see in TOS and pretty much every Star Trek series, that they tend to explore planet-side personally by choice rather than just scan distantly or use robots to explore remotely, even to the point were captains sometimes join away crews. Which is another reason I think the scanners might not be the best choice, they will probably end up at least somewhat under utilized, because presumably federation humans like doing things hands on.
i think they'll still be pretty useful, like for example they could detect dangerous toxins/pollens/whatevers in the atmosphere that an away team might notice too late, or allow said away team to narrow their search area down more so they aren't walking around looking at as much unimportant/uninteresting stuff.
 
I mean, I went with that mostly because that (hopefully) gives it better potential to Goddamn Magic Starfleet Deflector Bullshit™ its way out of problems, in which I include "attacking ships", because Q knows it's not got the teeth to threaten anything bigger than a shuttlepod.
 
I think in this case touching/poking is probably the correct wording. Starfleet doesn't appear to have real safety precautions in normal day to day protocol, and they don't really do the safe thing until being unsafe has bitten whatever ship in the butt.
OSHA got blow up in WW3. What should we expect, really?
Literally, 11 foot long sticks to poke stuff with. Is that too much to ask?

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[X] 1: Astrometrics (+2 Science)
[X] 3: Science Labs (+2 Science)
[X] 4: Biosciences/Medical Laboratory (+2 Science)
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I emphatically disagree. If the second computer core was +3 science for no industry cost, I would still go with the transporters. +1 for one industry? No brainer.

Transporters are the second most versatile part of a Federation ship, second only to deflector dish bullshit. You want to transport a biosample to quarantine in medlab? Done. You want to do a rapid evac because pirates just showed up? Done. You want to pull what's left of redshirt Kowalski out of the tharan worm he just discovered the hard way? Done. You want to put a tribble in a Klingon ship's engine room? Done. A bio-rated transporter room is stupid good.
Changing vote to transporters.
But please; do not commit biological/psychological/sociological terrorism against Klingons

[X] 2: Biological-Rated Transporter Room (Transporter Capability).
 
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