Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.
 
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Yes, I am aware Polaroid is not a small brand in the 80's. But, the name is not that big a deal when it comes to a revolutionary product- the product itself is. Apple just popped out, for instance, and it became a smash hit. George Lucas, creator of THX and ILM, is a brand name in cameras in of himself. Heck, we could market it as ILM's first digital camera and it would be amazing marketing. So, no, Brand awareness is not really worth...$750 million dollars?

Seriously, $750 million dollars for Polaroid is a crazy amount if the primary purchase power is it's brand awareness. We could build 10 LucasFilm Campuses around the world for that amount of money and have them pitch our new revolutionary camera. We could probably buy Intel and Western Digital for that amount. And those companies are part of a growing industry that will shoot up as the 80's go on. Unlike Polaroid. And, those companies will help in other aspects of Lucasfilm.

$750 million.
I have to agree with this @Kaiser Chris paying $100-150 million would be a reasonable amount but $750 million is absolutely overkill... Kodak was acquired for $300 million by Universal and Kodak is much bigger than Polaroid ever was

If you want to Spend that much money go for Intel or Apple...
 
We have an R&D wing- but one that is focused on special effects and cameras. Not on computer chip manufacturing. We could start a larger R&D wing (I have pitched LucasLabs before). But, we also have a recognizable brand.
How do you know? We don't know what George has created. What we do know is dat George made a functining digital camera, a bit hard if we don't have electronics.
Polaroid's manufacturing really isn't as helpful when it comes to a digital camera- Polaroids and Digital Cameras have very different parts. Which is why I was pitching Intel. Which could also help us with Apple, CGI, and Digital Cameras.
We could easily switch manufacturing lines. Tel me what is more hard? Starting our own company buying some chip maker, sourcing factories, and building an entire company from the ground up or buying a camera company and talk to people who work for us now and telling them to set up a digital camera line with our tech.
Yes, I am aware Polaroid is not a small brand in the 80's. But, the name is not that big a deal when it comes to a revolutionary product- the product itself is. Apple just popped out, for instance, and it became a smash hit. George Lucas, creator of THX and ILM, is a brand name in cameras in of himself. Heck, we could market it as ILM's first digital camera and it would be amazing marketing. So, no, Brand awareness is not really worth...$750 million dollars?
Apple had to strugle for years untill their computers became known and also don't compare the newly born commercial computer market with the more established camera industry, so yes brand awereness is valueble. Also that 750 is our top offer, we wanted to buy Kodak for 350 either that or Chris is playing it a bit too safe.
Yes thank you, I can read just fine.
Yes, the camera/film market still has some gas. But it is a shrinking amount of gas- it's like that speech from other people's money. We are seeking to increase our market share in a shrinking market. And we are a big brand in the field. So...our goal is not Brand Awareness (or should not be).

The goal should be parts development and manufacturing, R&D, and patents. All of which need electronics.
I'm not saying we need to stick in film, I'm saying the profits are still there and these profits will offset our purchase while we switch to digital because those things don't happen overnight. And we have the electronics
 
Besides that, @Kaiser Chris would you consider buying Apple or Intel for around $400-500 million?

No. We don't need Apple since we're an entertainment company first and foremost and I think it would be way too OOC for the Steves to sell their company under a singular owner, especially when Jobs doesn't like Bruce so much. We can buy a plurality stock in December.

@Kaiser Chris, I personally think it'd be better if we replace the fun option for Polaroid. The media one has a pretty high DC range so it's better to do it with a guaranteed pass

I replaced the Brandon option with the Media one since the DC is low enough we can reasonably pass it next turn. People might be confused why I'm chosing the Cyberpunk one to keep, and that's because I love the RPG, it synergizes with 2013's release, and I think it'd be something nice for Bruce to unwind after a busy month. Plus, while many of the Questers seem to be hyperfocused around business and making numbers go up, my primary quest enjoyment is fluff and we are more than successful enough already.

Seriously, three-quarters of a billion dollars? That's way too excessive of a price for Polaroid! I'd go for $250,000,000 MAX.

Polaroid made 1.45 Billion in sales for 1980 so I don't think 250 million is a reasonable enough price. I'll compromise and drop down to 400 million since a NYT article in 1981 says that was the net worth of the company.
 
I'm looking over a few things, and want to suggest introducing them over the next few decades through Marvel:

1. Push for Marvel to create comics for our other properties and, beyond a movie adaption, produce them in limited series runs that explore other aspects of the settings that aren't as well explored. Just think, a run of comics going by Marvel Presents:
- Cyberpunk
- Dungeons and Dragons: Forgotten Realms
- Miraculous
- Pacific Rim

2. See to it that we treat our staff, writers and artists, very well, so that we can prevent the splintering that creates Image Comics, partly so we can retain those titles. Part of this circles back to a previous discussion:
I mean, that's what the new continuity would be for, where we get to see a new generation of heroes, with one or two legacies, move forward for a decade and some change and then, like above, put into their own label to make room for the next set of stories.

3. Switch back to a monthly periodical containing all our major titles, not only making it more affordable to the average cosumer in the long run but increase the staying power of comics in the West overall. Single-issue titles would still be printed at much lower volumes, mostly as collector's items and contain additional details, like Variant Covers, in the back.
Something I'm in favor of, considering that I also want Marvel to start making different labels and continuities that cover a wide range of genres and age demographics. Like, we have Marvel stay a "shōnen"-line of comics (targeting an audience of adolescent boys), Atlas be their "seinen"-line of comics (targeting young adult and adult men), and their Romance imprints being split into their "shōjo"-line (targeting adolescent girls and young women) and "josei"-line (targeting adult women) of comics, each being compiled into dedicated magazines instead of induvial comics.



We would obviously wouldn't call it that, so instead I think we should go for a more of a color system, for a general example something like:

Age
"Action"
"Romance"
00-07 (G)
08-12 (PG)
13-17 (PG13)
18-27 (R)
28+ (NC-17)
Green (Bronze Stripe)
Yellow
Orange
Red
Black (Red Stripe)
Green (Silver Stripe)
Cyan
Blue
Purple
Black (Purple Stripe)

After that, their would be the Imprint Coding System, which I think keeping with either numbers like 616 or little icons in the corner for specific Imprints/Labels would be a fine idea, with those titles that fall outside a main continuity or what-if is marked with as Independent or with a brand new icon, for those writers doesn't want to be hamstrung by an existing continuity.

[EDIT: I'm imagining the color system as a band across the top of the magazine, not so obnoxious as to be unappealing but noticeable enough for people to ask questions if they see a six-year-old wandering around with a Red Label.]

4. An annual title, named "Death Battle" where we ask the audience which characters they want to see battle to the death [in noncanon storylines], releasing them March 15 ("Beware the Ides of March" being a tagline). It also has a self contained storyline, that would justify the battle; if voters vote on characters from other properties and they somehow win, see about making it a collaborative project.
 
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No. We don't need Apple since we're an entertainment company first and foremost and I think it would be way too OOC for the Steves to sell their company under a singular owner, especially when Jobs doesn't like Bruce so much. We can buy a plurality stock in December.
You do realize following that logic we don't need Polaroid, or Shamlock cars, no? We are buying most of this stuff because it's cool, and there is nothing wrong with that...

Besides that, it makes much more sense buying Apple than the other options, because they are the second lost innovative computer company on the world (besides Arpanet but good look buying that) and George is going completely nuts with breaking the bounds of CGI...

And about OOC, knowing how this guy was, pay him enough and will sell everything (especially if you accept to leave him as CEO...
 
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No. We don't need Apple since we're an entertainment company first and foremost and I think it would be way too OOC for the Steves to sell their company under a singular owner, especially when Jobs doesn't like Bruce so much. We can buy a plurality stock in December.
Well to play devils advocate, Steve can't really decide who buys his shares on Wallstreet and we spend a turn making peace with Jobs and promising him autonomy. Also I want to make this a succes just for the laughs.
 
How do you know? We don't know what George has created. What we do know is dat George made a functining digital camera, a bit hard if we don't have electronics.
Ah, so you are suggesting that: rather than George using commercially available products to cobble together a prototype digital camera, that he has a chip manufacturing division that went unremarked.

We could easily switch manufacturing lines. Tel me what is more hard? Starting our own company buying some chip maker, sourcing factories, and building an entire company from the ground up or buying a camera company and talk to people who work for us now and telling them to set up a digital camera line with our tech.
Switching manufacturing lines from producing a chemical film-based photographic system to a digital-image capture is not easy- and possibly involves having to significantly remodel the factory. So, no, that is not really persuasive. The point with buying the chip manufacturer is to focus R&D and manufacturing towards the fields that help our interests.

Polaroid made 1.45 Billion in sales for 1980 so I don't think 250 million is a reasonable enough price. I'll compromise and drop down to 400 million since a NYT article in 1981 says that was the net worth of the company.
The revenue really doesn't matter that much- it is the net profit that matters. And, as a NYT article in '82 pointed out: in 1980, Polaroid netted $85.4 million dollars. In '82, that dropped to $31.1 million.

Which makes sense because Polaroid's was focused on consumer cameras which was steadily shrinking from its heights in the 1970's. Note that at this time Kodak was still very thriving. Since Kodak (which had revenues, if you want to compare sizes) had 4 billion in '78 in sales, we could guess that it is at least 3 times larger than Polaroid in-game (actually not even close- Kodak was in the top 50 list for Forbes in 1980 when Polaroid didn't make the top 500- they don't go lower than that). So, we should probably go with what at least what asked for Kodak- $250 million. If it was good enough for Magoose to roll for on a much larger company, it is probably good enough now the next turn. With a company a fraction of the size or profitability.

And peak revenue was 3 billion in '91. But no guys it's a shrinking market.
I have kept the discussion fairly civil, I believe. If you want to start going sarcastic and aggressive, I can do that with the best of them. But, I do not think that would help in this game as evidenced by your last row with another player.

At it's peak, there was a uptick due to photographic revolutions such as 1 hour photos and the like. But, consumer photography was still a shrinking market from the 70's (as we are in the 80's, we use that high point as a reference) and is not really a great source of profit. As evidenced by the lack of influence of Kodak or Polaroid (questers are interested in the company partially because it failed).

It is the development of the technology for filmmaking that should interest us.
 
I will say one fun thing about buying Polaroid. Right now they have an ongoing legal war with Kodak where Polaroid is suing them for allegedly stealing their patented process for instant cameras. Polaroid is seeking $12 Billion. We buy Polaroid then the legal battle becomes one of Lucasfilms vs Universal. OTL Polaroid got $929 million from the suit. We can make Universal pay billions.
 
I will say one fun thing about buying Polaroid. Right now they have an ongoing legal war with Kodak where Polaroid is suing them for allegedly stealing their patented process for instant cameras. Polaroid is seeking $12 Billion. We buy Polaroid then the legal battle becomes one of Lucasfilms vs Universal. OTL Polaroid got $929 million from the suit. We can make Universal pay billions.

I like that. And, it's a good reason to go for the company- as an attack against Universal. Still, not a fan of the massive overpay.

But, it will all depend on rolls. May I suggest boosting Lucas Legal then? We have been sucking on those rolls for the last few turns. And, if we are going to go for the attack, I want us to go much more than OTL.
 
Besides that, it makes much more sense buying Apple than the other options, because they are the second lost innovative computer company on the world
A big reason for Apple being a success that decade was due to Atari fucking themselves over so badly that they were no longer able to act as a realistic competitor to Apple, and when a company finally took over Atari's place in the form of Windows, who did more than just fill their shoes, Apple struggled in the market so bad that Steve Jobs had to beg Bill Gates for a loan.

We're better off either starting our own company, purchasing Atari for a pittance of their price, or just taking the stock option that's been mentioned.
Also I want to make this a succes just for the laughs.
All the nos just for that controller.
We can make Universal pay billions.
We're already about to do that, what's the point of making it a legal battle when not only are our movies about to make more than theirs and George just invented a better consumer product than the one they already have.

Also, I'm pretty sure it's not okay, legally speaking, to purchase a company undergoing a lawsuit that involves "potential" corporate espionage.
But, it will all depend on rolls. May I suggest boosting Lucas Legal then? We have been sucking on those rolls for the last few turns. And, if we are going to go for the attack, I want us to go much more than OTL.
Let me go find it...

EDIT: Found it:
--[X] Lucasfilm Legal Expansion [$50 Million]: In light of persistent legal challenges from various entities, Lucasfilm recognizes the need to strengthen and expand its legal operations to ensure optimal effectiveness and precision. Operating on a global scale demands the highest level of legal acumen and strategic prowess. As a major player in the industry, Lucasfilm understands that errors and missteps are simply not an option. In this critical phase, the company is committed to investing in a robust legal infrastructure that can adeptly navigate the complexities of the world stage. By bolstering its legal team, especially overseas, implementing cutting-edge legal strategies, and prioritizing risk management, Lucasfilm aims to proactively address legal disputes, safeguard its intellectual property, and secure its long-term interests. This expansion of legal operations will empower Lucasfilm to not only compete but excel among industry giants, fortifying its position as a leader in the entertainment landscape. With an unwavering commitment to excellence and a sharpened legal focus, Lucasfilm is poised to overcome challenges and achieve continued success in an ever-evolving global marketplace.
 
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We buy Polaroid then the legal battle becomes one of Lucasfilms vs Universal.
This is also combined with corperate espionage charge, so if we're lucky we can screw with them 6 ways to sunday. It also can help motivate the Polaroid company to work with us after they probably had a panic-attack after their competitor were bought by Universal.
But, it will all depend on rolls. May I suggest boosting Lucas Legal then? We have been sucking on those rolls for the last few turns. And, if we are going to go for the attack, I want us to go much more than OTL.
I don't think we can do that due to the fact we already expanded our legal team.
 
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purchasing Atari for a pittance of their price,
I kind of favour this... There is no saving Atari due to their sheer fucking hubris, but I am willing to spend a couple millions so that we can get their logo (wich is extremely iconic)...
I like that. And, it's a good reason to go for the company- as an attack against Universal. Still, not a fan of the massive overpay.

But, it will all depend on rolls. May I suggest boosting Lucas Legal then? We have been sucking on those rolls for the last few turns. And, if we are going to go for the attack, I want us to go much more than OTL.
Let me go find it...

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I don't think we can do that due to the fact we already expanded our legal team.
Well, ether this turn or the next one we are having an upgrade Lucasfilms action, so we can get several of these action done with a single AP...
 
I like the idea of buying Atari because with Marvel we'd own the rights to basically every conceivable way of adapting Star Wars. Especially when we start up the LucasParks division.
 
I kind of favour this... There is no saving Atari due to their sheer fucking hubris, but I am willing to spend a couple millions so that we can get their logo (wich is extremely iconic)..
I mean, if we bought it before the end of the year, we can potentially get rid of the toxic leadership that leads directly to their downfall, as they start making those widespread and sweeping decisions beginning in 1982 as a way to stave off competition...acactually, now that I think about it, we might have sidestepped that issue with Warners destruction, seeing as they were the ones who'd brought in Ray Kassar during the negotiations to be the Atari's new CEO.

Magoose, did Warner manage to do this before their demise, is Kassar elsewhere?
I like the idea of buying Atari because with Marvel we'd own the rights to basically every conceivable way of adapting Star Wars. Especially when we start up the LucasParks division.
We still need a book publisher, but that's a seperate issue.
 
I mean, if we bought it before the end of the year, we can potentially get rid of the toxic leadership that leads directly to their downfall, as they start making those widespread and sweeping decisions beginning in 1982 as a way to stave off competition...acactually, now that I think about it, we might have sidestepped that issue with Warners destruction, seeing as they were the ones who'd brought in Ray Kassar during the negotiations to be the Atari's new CEO.

Magoose, did Warner manage to do this before their demise, is Kassar elsewhere?

We still need a book publisher, but that's a seperate issue.

And if we buy Atari we get a computer company and a video game company at the same time! I'm weirdly fond of a company that went belly-up before I was even born. We probably won't stop the crash entirely but we can try to mitigate the damage as much as possible. Nintendo won't be finding the market to be as empty as it was in OTL.

Good point on that! That'll ensure that every single dollar in Star Wars-related revenue ends up in our hands.
 
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While I like all the business ideas, I kinda never liked the idea of monopoly. It feels wrong with how nowadays there are so many monopolies in the industry in OTL, so I also kind want to have a shit ton of competition.
 
While I like all the business ideas, I kinda never liked the idea of monopoly. It feels wrong with how nowadays there are so many monopolies in the industry in OTL, so I also kind want to have a shit ton of competition.
When have we ever discused forming a monopoly? We're just talking about how we can expand LucasFilm. Also we DO have a shit ton of competiton or is Universal repeatetly screwing us over forgotten. Even OTL there is no monopoly in the entertainment/ camera or computer market.
 
While I like all the business ideas, I kinda never liked the idea of monopoly. It feels wrong with how nowadays there are so many monopolies in the industry in OTL, so I also kind want to have a shit ton of competition.
While a fair concern, I'd think that'd only apply if we bought up every single company in a certain sector. For example, if we bought Universal, Fox, and all the other movie companies, I'd totally agree with you. However, since we're buying only one company from each sector, we're simply diversifying where we get our profts from.

We're actually getting more competition by entering into these various sectors, and as long as we don't try to stifle said competition unfairly or buy up every company in a sector, we should be fine.

After all, big businesses aren't inherently bad; it's their business practices and people-in-charge that determing their ethical score.
 
While I like all the business ideas, I kinda never liked the idea of monopoly. It feels wrong with how nowadays there are so many monopolies in the industry in OTL, so I also kind want to have a shit ton of competition.

Along with agreeing with the other responses to your comment, my main idea was cornering the market regarding material related to intellectual properties, like Star Wars, that we already own.
 
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