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[X] Half-Saucer

I believe the arguments made for arrowhead are made in good faith, I just don't believe that making our battleship rely on speed is the correct choice. If we were making a cruiser or destroyer analogue I would vote for it, but I cannot support it being the anchor of the fleet with such glaring weaknesses against cloaked ships.
 
Ramble said:
And more internal space means that it can haul more equipment for sustainment, scanning, analysis, etc.
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We are designing a DEDICATED WARSHIP not a Multi role Boondoggle. Just for that the Arrowhead hull is all we need. It is different from the boring saucer and concentrates firepower forward. As a bonus the hull lacks the internal space for a lot of the unneeded stuff like science, or cargo compartments.
Zimmerwald1915 said:
The full saucer is also the most apt to repurposing to peacetime roles other than warfighting-by-another-name, including exploration (as you mentioned it can be sent out alone), diplomacy (internal space means creature comforts), or station/system defense by means other than shooty shooty bang bang (for instance, intercepting and contacting oddities like V'Ger, the Whale Probe, or the Doomsday Machine).

It also doesn't require a secondary hull like the half-saucer, which in a pre-shield era is important for resilience against enemy attacks.
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Yeah the Full saucer would allow us to build a overtly expensive(For the current time) multi role explorer. Luckily we are designing a dedicated Battleship that does not need non war equipment like Laboratories, Large cargo compartments, extra workshops, or extra hangars. Just guns, Armor, and more guns.
 
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Worth reading.

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Oh that. I actually just started reading it recently. I didn't realize that's what it stood for.
 
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I'm going to advocate for either Arrowhead or Half-Saucer, leaning toward Arrowhead for concentrated killyness - we need the ability to concentrate our fire and pop shields. Half-Saucer would be the best middle-ground, but others have raised concerns about secondary hulls being somewhat more fragile. If Half looks to be taking the vote I'll probably swap toward it.
[X] Arrowhead
Edit: Well, that doesn't seem to be panning out.
[X] Half-Saucer
 
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[X] Full Saucer

At the moment, the comprehensive weapons coverage is just too decisive of an advantage to ensure that, whatever angle a Romulan wolfpack might come from, it'll break its teeth on the guns. A half-saucer leaves some arcs just a little too vulnerable to my liking, and an arrowhead is a design that I think might be best left to a Stingray or NX descendant.
 
I wouldn't say internal space is uneeded more internal space means more space we can store more torpedoes as well more space in general for everything

[X] Full Saucer
 
[X] Full Saucer


We need all arcs covered or the romulans will attack us from our blinds spots since we can't detect them and they can cloak and choose where they attack us from.

Also the extra space can be used for redundancy
 
Bedpotato said:
We are designing a DEDICATED WARSHIP not a Multi role Boondoggle. Just for that the Arrowhead hull is all we need. It is different from the boring saucer and concentrates firepower forward. As a bonus the hull lacks the internal space for a lot of the unneeded stuff like science, or cargo compartments.
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We are designing a flagship during a war with an enemy using swarms of smaller ships. Front facing firepower is not in fact what we need.

[X] Full Saucer
[X] Half-Saucer
 
[X] Arrowhead
[X] Half-Saucer

Concentrating killing power.
Helher said:
I wouldn't say internal space is uneeded more internal space means more space we can store more torpedoes as well more space in general for everything

[X] Full Saucer
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The ship will automatically have torpedo storage and weapons, the extra space would be assigned for OTHER stuff like utility or science labs. (I say it again a warship has no need for freaking civilians/scientists onboard)
 
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[X] Half-Saucer

Arrowhead for smaller, more maneuverable ships and full saucers for multirole ships, this is meant to be a warship so halfsaucer for engine placement and good phaser coverage while allowing for torpedo launchers to be used.
 
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Bedpotato said:
[X] Arrowhead

Concentrating killing power.

The ship will automatically have torpedo storage and weapons, the extra space would be assigned for OTHER stuff like utility or science labs. (I say it again a warship has no need for freaking civilians/scientists onboard)
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Why shouldn't a warship have utility functions or the ability to carry enough supplies that it is more than just a monitor which cannot be repositioned without resupply from one of our zheng hes
 
I am happy with either
[X] Full Saucer
[X] Half-Saucer
The arguments for them & against the Arrowhead have already been written several times in well thought-out posts, so I wont repeat them here. But I have to admit that I also dislike the Arrowhead on the visual level, prefering the more classic Saucer designs.
 
[X] Half-Saucer
[X] Arrowhead

Full saucer is boring as hell, I don't want to just follow standard trek design.
 
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[X] Half-Saucer

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I keep trying to figure out a way of fully justifying an NX sized Arrowhead build that's focused more on cruise speed than sprinting, and the best I can come up with is to engineer a long term war with a massive federation scaled, or bigger, enemy that's very far away.

That isn't the Borg. Because they're terrifying.
 
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Helher said:
Why shouldn't a warship have utility functions or the ability to carry enough supplies that it is more than just a monitor which cannot be repositioned without resupply from one of our zheng hes
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Oh the ships come with some cargo capacity and an engineering deck sufficient for themselves. All the extra space I talk about would be extra shit that a minimalist dedicated warship does not need.(But the multirole crowd wants it, so that a freaking BB can go on multi year cruises around poking negative space wedgies instead of hovering INSIDE our territory as deterrent.)
 
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