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Arrow head is better in battle, but we are fighting cloaked ships so we probably want the internal space of the saucer designs more. Half saucer seems like the compromise between full and arrowhead, so that probably what I'll go for.
Empress_Boog
Grand Empress
Based on discussion in the past hour, I'm probably going to vote for half-saucer. As a compromise choice it doesn't do anything great, but I feel that it is a better choice than putting all of our eggs in one basket.
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the Emmette Type for one
nost common was the warp delta though
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- Australia
I like the idea of an arrowhead capital, but not against maneuverable wolfpack enemies. If we were building them purely to fight other cruisers and battleships, then an arrowhead design would be effective. Since we want full coverage to discourage torpedoes to the back I'd rather build a saucer or half saucer.
It does seem like with the design philosophy behind the Stingray and its weapon placements, to keep forward firing arcs aiming in the right direction thanks to superb mobility, its successor may be an arrowhead though.
It does seem like with the design philosophy behind the Stingray and its weapon placements, to keep forward firing arcs aiming in the right direction thanks to superb mobility, its successor may be an arrowhead though.
StriderInCosmos
Wanderer in the Worldsea
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- Somewhere in... Terminal Dogma? I think?
If we could lobby for a 3/4s saucer section, then I could see us really cutting it close for how much we can compromise between the two extremes. It may not be an option, but it's always a design possibility that allows for a more streamlined design while maximizing firing arcs available to the ship.
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Looking long term, I'm thinking half-saucer:
We got space for engines. I like those. Those are good.
Hopefully the weapons advantages include torpedos.
And hopefully the underslung secondary hull will be more... modular than the full saucer, in that we can make a quick redesign for that hull for non-combat use, even if it means replacing an 'active anti-cloak sensor lab' with a 'generalist science lab'
We got space for engines. I like those. Those are good.
Hopefully the weapons advantages include torpedos.
And hopefully the underslung secondary hull will be more... modular than the full saucer, in that we can make a quick redesign for that hull for non-combat use, even if it means replacing an 'active anti-cloak sensor lab' with a 'generalist science lab'
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Full saucer or half saucer seems best here, lack of torpedoes is not great on a DN design.
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- United States
[ ] Arrowhead
A major design goal is to have enough firepower to punch through their shields, and this will help with that.
As for the reduced rear arc firepower... this ship will be meant to fight as part of a fleet.
A weakness that can be covered by the ships around it is well worth being able to concentrate more fire on target I think.
Besides; if it has an obvious weakness like more anemic rear firepower, that makes enemies more predictable. They will try to get behind it.
Between that and keeping an eye out for opportunities to boost maneuverability anyway, I think it's well worth it.
A major design goal is to have enough firepower to punch through their shields, and this will help with that.
As for the reduced rear arc firepower... this ship will be meant to fight as part of a fleet.
A weakness that can be covered by the ships around it is well worth being able to concentrate more fire on target I think.
Besides; if it has an obvious weakness like more anemic rear firepower, that makes enemies more predictable. They will try to get behind it.
Between that and keeping an eye out for opportunities to boost maneuverability anyway, I think it's well worth it.
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The full saucer is also the most apt to repurposing to peacetime roles other than warfighting-by-another-name, including exploration (as you mentioned it can be sent out alone), diplomacy (internal space means creature comforts), or station/system defense by means other than shooty shooty bang bang (for instance, intercepting and contacting oddities like V'Ger, the Whale Probe, or the Doomsday Machine).
It also doesn't require a secondary hull like the half-saucer, which in a pre-shield era is important for resilience against enemy attacks.
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There is no such thing as an active anti-cloak sensor lab. Maybe the Vulcan Science Academy has a couple ideas, but not a working model and the High Command isn't sharing in any event.
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Much of Starfleet's day-to-day mission is surveying space. Space is really really really really really really big. Accordingly, Starfleet has its surveyors cast a wide net.
Chargone
Invisable operator
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- New Zealand
It's very much down to if the enemy's cloak or shields are the greater concern. If the former, full saucer. If the latter, arrowhead. Personally, I don't see a lack of torpedos as a problem, provided it results in enough extra cannons being pointed at a given target to make up the difference. Phase cannons being our point defence and shield busters, to my understanding, and less (potentially) war-crime-y.
But still, coverage vs firepower.
A saucer without a secondary hull presents advantages in coverage and seems like it should have less trouble with incoming fire (in as much as shape matters to that), while on an arrowhead a secondary hull would actually help with rear coverage.
But still, coverage vs firepower.
A saucer without a secondary hull presents advantages in coverage and seems like it should have less trouble with incoming fire (in as much as shape matters to that), while on an arrowhead a secondary hull would actually help with rear coverage.
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Arrowhead because massive firepower is the point of a Dreadnought? It should have escorts to defend it.
I'm thinking a lean mean war machine - a Dread built for war, and we keep costs down by cheaping out on non-war functionality.
I'm thinking a lean mean war machine - a Dread built for war, and we keep costs down by cheaping out on non-war functionality.
Something I could see in the future is Starfleet having the majority of their fleet be made of Explorer Ships. And then have mini-fleets or task forces stationed throughout Federation space. So that there is always a group of ships to respond to threats in Federation space like piracy or such. Or even be moved to the frontlines in case of a war. An example of this would probably be: TF1 is responsible for section 1 of Federation space, TF2 is responsible for section 2 of Federation space, and so on. The size of the sections would probably be determined by the response time of the ships assigned to that group.
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The half-saucer doesn't seem to do anything for us and having 360 coverage is important against cloaked attackers. For a smaller hull, we could probably afford an arrowhead or half-saucer, for this? I really recommend going Full Saucer.
It'll also be important for an eventual Demil retrofit.
It'll also be important for an eventual Demil retrofit.
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Do you want TBG scope explosion? Because this is how you get TBG scope explosion!
I'm for arrowhead. My understanding is that the Romulan ships are fairly vulnerable once you punch through the shields. The best way to punch through the shields seems to be from energy weapons fire, so the lack of torpedoes is fine, and the energy firepower concentration is good for quickly knocking out shields. The concerns I have are mostly for maneuverability and defense. Maneuverability to keep the enemies in focus and defense because the arrowhead seems like it's less bulky than the saucer-types. The lack of internal utility spaces is fine, I'd be advocating to fill them with internal defences and redundancies anyway.
[ ] Full Saucer
Best current option as it provides the most internal space which means more redundancy and allows us to attack enemies in all directions (we must have torpedos for the rear and fowerd arcs) and we need all arc coverage cause while the arrowhead or halfsaurcer would allow us to out all weapons forward, and have the most concentrated firepower the romulans can cloak and will just ambush our ships from directions we don't have weapons.
Tldr full weapons coverage so the romulans will be in range of one of our weapons no matter where they attack us from. And the romulans can cloak
Best current option as it provides the most internal space which means more redundancy and allows us to attack enemies in all directions (we must have torpedos for the rear and fowerd arcs) and we need all arc coverage cause while the arrowhead or halfsaurcer would allow us to out all weapons forward, and have the most concentrated firepower the romulans can cloak and will just ambush our ships from directions we don't have weapons.
Tldr full weapons coverage so the romulans will be in range of one of our weapons no matter where they attack us from. And the romulans can cloak
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Quick question. What is TBG because I actually don't know?
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I was a bit worried that you wouldn't be aware when making my joke, and should have included a link, my bad. It's a massive, sprawling, fantastic written quest from a wee bit back.
Worth reading.
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This is To Boldly Go, a Star Trek quest run through the eyes of Commander, Starfleet.
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