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- Earth
[X] Yes
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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[X] Yes
An ugly price today, for a beautiful tomorrow.
An ugly price today, for a beautiful tomorrow.
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- Czech Republic
I'm not shifting goalposts. I let you convince me that we can pull it off, maybe. I still don't like it for other reasons. The thread seems to think Boris is infallible. What if he hasn't *thought* of some options we suggest? What if he doesn't know what kind of leverage we can bring to the table? There's always space for negotiation. If he's going to be talking in ultimatums only, again, that's not the kind of neighboring ruler I would want to install.
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- He/Him
He'd probably negotiate on price, but this is his father...assuming he arrived at this decision lightly or without trying literally everything else seems really arrogant. Like, what diplomatic solution could Mathilde do here that his own son couldn't do better? Boris has tried it all.
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- Actually pretty lost
Excuse you, nothing about my belief he's a Khorne worshipper is about "justification". I think the facts of the matter speak for themselves so strongly that no hand-wringing for extra justification is needed, as evidenced by the overwhelming yes vote.
My point is that we should be on the lookout for any Khorne-related complications.
I wasn't aware that they were basing their opinions on whether Vladimir should die on it, and they weren't talking about how metagaming is a necessity.
He is not going to negotiate this, I am not sure how else I could put this given that I quoted the GM on that point
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- Czech Republic
Oh, is that right? Based on what, our one meeting with him? We don't know anything about the man. We've only ever spoken to people who dislike him. What if he's got the army completely on his side, and Boris is a terrible general? What if Boris tries to do his coup, and it turns out that he's got barely any supporters besides the Ice Witches?
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- Omniverse #1345
Mathilde isn't an idiot. We would have been informed via mathilde-thoughts if this was obvious manipulation or the Tzar was known to be well-liked by any particular group.
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- She/Her
[X] Yes
Yes, out of all the Kislevites we have spoken to we have only ever spoken to people who dislike him.
True out sample size if not the best, but it is also 100% Anti-Vlad.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
No it means that he's already done all of that.
You don't get to shift the goal posts to advocate for the same damn outcome, we can reasonably assume that all non-assassination options have already been approached, considered and discussed.
All the stuff you proposed are long term high investment, diplomatic and administrative solutions. Things that the Tsar has historically and consistently demonstrated to be uninterested in according to just about everyone's assessment.
He's the man's son, do you really think he just woke up one morning and decided "you know what I'm going to murder my father?"
Do you really think he didn't try to change these things already?
He's made up his mind and Mathilde cannot fucking bargain him away from it the fact he is asking for her assistance is proof positive of that.
Yes you are, before it was "we can't do this because we'll fuck it up" now its "we shouldn't do it because Boris is evil."
As for what we can bring to the table
So fucking what!
We know the facts his father isn't interested in outside support for Kislev (the majority of what we can offer in that regard) and those are already things his son has likely proposed a lot because he's in charge of diplomacy that's why we met him when we were shopping the project around.
We are very unlikely to be able to offer anything that is meaningfully different to what Boris has already tried and it'd be coming from Mathilde.
Who is a female magic user, the sort of person the Tsar is very unfriendly towards on account of his literal blood sucking mother.
Boris isn't infalliable, but assuming he's giving an ultimatum to us because he's being unreasonable is catagorically foolish, if he was unreasonable he'd have told Mathilde to get out of his sight for not basing the project in Kislev.
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- She/Her
Also we do actually know that Boris is a good general. He's not so young that we've butterflied his foundational life skills.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Correction: He claims that he is not currently motivated about this. But by asking us to do this, he's already safe from weird associations even if we get found out.
On a side note, does daemon checking hit us now that we've stapled am apparition to our soul?
Somic
It's meow or never
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- She/Her
Close to certain
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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- He/Him
[X] Yes
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I didn't actually know such magic exists. But even if it does, it seems like Algard would be the best candidate as the man in the know, given that he is both well hidden and magically powerful. That said, there not being any central person in the know makes more sense now, even if I find it kind of a crazy way to run a national spy agency.
Anyway, this explains why the identity of the Imperial Spymaster is so secret that it's not even clear if one exists at all.
How expensive is such magic? It seems like anything on the level of a normal ritual or a spell available to a priest of a deity whose followers are not all loyal to the Empire's institutions would be something that ends up getting used semi-frequently on the spymasters of Elector Counts. It also makes it more likely that the standing threat by the Cult of Thungni actually had to be carried out a couple of times instead of being just a hypothetical.
We do get to vote for payment. Payment can include proof that he did XYZ.
I'm trying really hard not to have your tone bias me further towards No. You repeatedly seem to insinuate that someone else is arguing in bad faith when I really don't see it and making the whole discussion more heated.
Not that my individual opinion matters much, since Yes is likely to win. But I'd still like it if you tone the heat down a bit, just for my own comfort.
Yeah, I mean, we need a full page of titles at least if Settra-sempai is ever going to notice us
I think assassination is a payment on delivery kind of deal. Even if we want to do it differently we have no way of checking what he has or has not done vis a vis his father or what conversations he has had. Mathilde does not even speak the language. We either trust Boris or we do not.
Vladimir is refusing to build waystones and tributaries in Kislev because he's afraid that being dependent upon an imperial project will make him look weak.
At best, he's allowing short sighted pride damage Kislev's chances for long term survival.
At worst, he is a traitor who is intentionally sabotaging Kislev.
Either one of those reasons is justification to remove him from power—it's just a shame there's no peaceful way to do so.
At best, he's allowing short sighted pride damage Kislev's chances for long term survival.
At worst, he is a traitor who is intentionally sabotaging Kislev.
Either one of those reasons is justification to remove him from power—it's just a shame there's no peaceful way to do so.