I wonder if we can let Gabriel help with taking care of Morningsilver to see if he has any Squirey advice that would unlock something neato.
 
Why not buy the Morningsilver and one of the stallions, meaning we get some adorable baby foals in a few months, and eventually, free mounts for our friends?

(We could give Gabriel a horse when he eventually goes back home, for example, that'd be a nice parting gift.)

Hmmm. I was under the impression we could only buy one, but buying two isn't impossible if it's permitted, though that's starting to get real expensive. I worry a little that the horses will consume Food during the Winter, but they probably just get lumped in with the other livestock in that regard, to be honest.

Throwing that kind of cash around also probably isn't a great idea when we're about to hit a famine.

I mean, you can't eat silver. Honestly, going around looking to buy food (which we were) is likely to give people the correct impression...that we have more money than we have food. Someone trying to rob us is always possible, but I don't think the famine makes it more likely.
 
This is a solid possibility, though. We do have an in with Wessex, after all, and have always intended to take a trip there.
Our family is also responsible for enslaving Gabriel and killing the knight he was squiring for. He might have forgiven us, but I wouldn't bet money on his family (or his fiancée) having done the same. Dealing with Wessex will likely be complicated.

I'm not saying going on an expedition to Wessex is a bad idea, far from it. Dealing with those complications will doubtless be entertaining. It's just what I'm proposing is, in essence, a long distance grocery run. Let's not complicate things unnecessarily. Save the headaches for when we go for the holy coal.

Also, I would like to talk with Gabriel about the matter before we even consider going on a trip to Wessex. He probably should have a say on whether or not we return him after all. I'd also prefer to give him time to consider his options, so it's probably best we go elsewhere given the time constraints. I'm leaning towards Lotharingia. It's more fertile than Denmark, and closer than Wessex to boot.
 
Our family is also responsible for enslaving Gabriel and killing the knight he was squiring for. He might have forgiven us, but I wouldn't bet money on his family (or his fiancée) having done the same. Dealing with Wessex will likely be complicated.

I mean, having Gabriel right there vouching for us seems like it'd solve most of those complications at least inasmuch as it would let us engage in trade.

I'm not saying going on an expedition to Wessex is a bad idea, far from it. Dealing with those complications will doubtless be entertaining. It's just what I'm proposing is, in essence, a long distance grocery run. Let's not complicate things unnecessarily. Save the headaches for when we go for the holy coal.

Also, I would like to talk with Gabriel about the matter before we even consider going on a trip to Wessex. He probably should have a say on whether or not we return him after all. I'd also prefer to give him time to consider his options, so it's probably best we go elsewhere given the time constraints. I'm leaning towards Lotharingia. It's more fertile than Denmark, and closer than Wessex to boot.

That said, it certainly should be up to him when and if he wants to go back, and going somewhere else is also plausible. I think it's fairly likely we don't need to deal with the famine two years in a row and can head to Vestfold without issue anyway, but we'll see.
 
Hmmm. I was under the impression we could only buy one, but buying two isn't impossible if it's permitted, though that's starting to get real expensive. I worry a little that the horses will consume Food during the Winter, but they probably just get lumped in with the other livestock in that regard, to be honest.

Assuming it's possible, yeah it is expensive, but it does mean we could potentially recoup several times our investment if we eventually start a horse business. (Probably crossbreeding with Hasvir's herd for genetic diversity.) Although it's hard for me to gauge exactly how expensive it is for us because I can't remember how much silver one ounce of gold is worth, can you recall off hand?
 
[X] Yes, you will buy some bling
-[X] But all three (30 oz. bling, costs 8 oz. silver)
[X] Yes, you will buy a horse
-[X] Sundancer
[X] Talk to Audrikr and play a game of tafl while you're at it
I think it's 8 silver to 1 gold
 
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Ah cool! So more money than god, essentially.

Then it seems like a good idea to me, we can have lots of adorable little foals.

Should we choose Sundancer or Swiftarrow to be their dad?

Sundancer kind of goes poetically with Morningsilver, and they'd likely have really beautiful fancy foals, but Swiftarrow's kids would probably be better as mounts for travel and war.
 
Assuming it's possible, yeah it is expensive, but it does mean we could potentially recoup several times our investment if we eventually start a horse business. (Probably crossbreeding with Hasvir's herd for genetic diversity.) Although it's hard for me to gauge exactly how expensive it is for us because I can't remember how much silver one ounce of gold is worth, can you recall off hand?

8 oz. of silver to 1 oz. gold. So we have just shy of the equivalent of 1800 silver (1798, to be specific). And we make a profit of about 80 or so a year (actually 82, to be specific), after taxes but including the value of the Goods we get.

This turn we're spending just over 100 of that on bling, plus whatever we do for horses. If we bought two we'd be effectively spending 1/5 of our current money, and almost 5 years of income...on the other hand, even one plus the bling is well over 10% of our money and almost three years of income.

Relevantly, if we buy a second horse, we definitely have to dip into our gold, and paying in gold may be more attention-grabbing.
 
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I've been meaning to ask but do the Svaltalfar also have to grapple with the Desire or is that what sets them apart from the Dwarfs?
 
8 oz of silver to 1 oz. gold. So we have just shy of the equivalent of 1800 silver (1798, to be specific). And we make a profit of about 80 or so a year, after taxes but including the value of the Goods we get.

This turn we're spending just over 100 of that on bling, plus whatever we do for horses. If we bought two we'd be effectively spending 1/5 of our current money, and almost 5 years of income...on the other hand, even one plus the bling is well over 10% of our money and almost three years of income.

I think if we see it as an investment, we can expect to see a profit from horse trading in the long run, and also giving someone a fine horse as a gift is an incredible way to make friends and influence people. It's not like we're hugely wanting for ways to make money if we need to; we've got the trading mission coming up. Let's build that generational wealth!

[X] Plan: Bonnie and Clydesdale
-[X] Yes, you will buy some bling
--[X] But all three (30 oz. bling, costs 8 oz. silver)
-[X] Yes, you will buy a horse. You will buy TWO HORSES
--[X] Morningsilver
--[X] Sundancer
-[X] Talk to Audrikr and play a game of tafl while you're at it
--[X] Talk about Frenzy and Berserkr. First topic: Does Frenzy have uses outside of battle? Like in negotiations?
 
I think if we see it as an investment, we can expect to see a profit from horse trading in the long run, and also giving someone a fine horse as a gift is an incredible way to make friends and influence people. It's not like we're hugely wanting for ways to make money if we need to; we've got the trading mission coming up. Let's build that generational wealth!

I'm not entirely against this, depending, though I will note that I did edit in a concern after you quoted my post: We can afford to buy one horse with our silver alone. If we're buying two we're paying in gold, which might draw some attention we don't want. That's not necessarily a reason not to do it, but should be kept in mind.

TBH, I don't want another mouth to feed when we're heading into a famine. One horse is already enough.

Also this. I'm not clear on the Food upkeep of horses in the current system. If they just get lumped in with the other livestock or if it's 1 Food per horse during the Winter or what. If they cost Food we might want to hold off on buying another until after the famine even if we want two of them eventually.

@Imperial Fister how do the horses interact with Food? And can we buy two of them if we want?
 
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I think if we see it as an investment, we can expect to see a profit from horse trading in the long run, and also giving someone a fine horse as a gift is an incredible way to make friends and influence people. It's not like we're hugely wanting for ways to make money if we need to; we've got the trading mission coming up. Let's build that generational wealth!

[X] Plan: Bonnie and Clydesdale
-[X] Yes, you will buy some bling
--[X] But all three (30 oz. bling, costs 8 oz. silver)
-[X] Yes, you will buy a horse. You will buy TWO HORSES
--[X] Morningsilver
--[X] Swiftarrow
-[X] Talk to Audrikr and play a game of tafl while you're at it
Eh, sure. I'll support Morningsilver and Sundancer.
And its not just "an incredible way to make friends and influence people".
It is one half of "horse and sword" (the other half we can make via smithing).
Horse and Sword. Ship and Sail. These are the traditional rewards for quests, the prices paid to hire a Hero.
 
I'm not entirely against this, depending, though I will note that I did edit in a concern after you quoted my post: We can afford to buy one horse with our silver alone. If we're buying two we're paying in gold, which might draw some attention we don't want. That's not necessarily a reason not to do it, but should be kept in mind.

We could afford to buy both horses on silver alone and then trade gold for the bling separately, might attract less attention.

Eh, sure. I'll support Morningsilver and Sundancer.
And its not just "an incredible way to make friends and influence people".
It is one half of "horse and sword" (the other half we can make via smithing).

Oh yeah! We can become a questgiver!

I can swap for Sundancer if there's a lot more support for that.
 
I can swap for Sundancer if there's a lot more support for that.
Its currently 8 for only Morningsilver, 1 for only Sundancer, 1 (me) for Morningsilver and Sundancer, and you.
Also, everyone is voting piece meal, so if you vote by item rather than plan, it would be easier to keep overview of the plan.

Adhoc vote count started by Toboe on Jul 22, 2023 at 7:38 PM, finished with 47 posts and 11 votes.
 
And we don't speak the language there.
Frisian was mutually intelligible to English during this time period, so you do sort of speak the language. If you were to deal with any of the higher nobility, then you'll probably have to learn some French
@Imperial Fister how do the horses interact with Food? And can we buy two of them if we want?
I'm thinking that, as they're not livestock and have a role to play in proper society—though you certainly could eat them if so desired—a horse will need 1 Food a turn. You can buy two of them if so desired.
 
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