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Alright.

I know this one is extremely late to the party and has some catching up to do given how fast the vote has gone since all that --- but... Would this action proposal be a viable way of integrating that?

-[ ]Attempt to create a Liminal Realm.
--[ ]Seek the aid of the Hedgewise in protecting the newborn Liminal Realm from demonic influence.

I'm not sure if that would be better as magical tricks, on-site help, or advice.

A complete form of it might look like this:

[] Plan Hedging Our Bets.
-[] Waystone: Nexuses(Forest of Shadows) (Askel)
-[]Attempt to create a Liminal Realm.
--[]Seek the aid of the Hedgewise in protecting the newborn Liminal Realm from demonic influence.
-[] JOHANN: Hunt an apparition (Whispering Darkness)
-[] MAX: Study: Books and rubbings from an Asur explorer of Lustria and the Southlands
-[] EGRIMM: Windherding (Stat-Swapping Mirror)
-[] Waystone: Foundation (Elrisse, Tochter, Aksel, Hatalath, Cadaeth, Sarvoi, Thorek, Niedzwenka, Zlata)
-[] EIC: Negotiate and plan a magical route through the Schadensumpf to allow for easier trade with the Eonir without compromising their defenses
-[] KAU: Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library (Grand University of Nuln)
-[] SERENITY: Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands (Egrimm as primary author)
-[] COIN: The Father
-[] Eike Actions: Lustrian books and rubbings study, Windfall paper, Windherder enchanting, EIC negotiation
-[] Eike Study: Intrigue (Tradecraft with the Hochlander)

The idea here is basically making everything around The Father face of the coin and turning actions that interact with the Hedgewise as much as possible.
I'd have fit recruiting damsels into it, but I can't figure out how.
This is a whispering darkness action is here purely for potential benefits stacking: The Whispering Darkness hunts Hedgewise, and the Red Rider does not.
Hunting a monster that afflicts the hedgewise will probably add another plus to the column even without The Father, and with it... well, it certainly won't hurt.
Likewise the father face of the coin is a perfect time to investigate the forest of shadows.
As many people are on the Foundation as possible because the Kislev action isn't there for other members of the project to focus on.
Stat swapping mirror instead of sevirscope just because it was the safer of the two options (we know it can be attempted, and have no idea where to even start with the sevirscope) And, well, hedging bets is the name of the plan. Too thematic not to.
Other actions are just kind of taken from things I like.

I'd do more but I've already spent the last couple hours just... completely paralyzed by anxiety. So I'm going to leave it there and see if people are interested in picking it up wholesale or else or folding the idea into other plans as a more concrete defense for dealing with the dangers in making liminal realms.
 
I know this one is extremely late to the party and has some catching up to do given how fast the vote has gone since all that --- but... Would this action proposal be a viable way of integrating that?
based on precedent, you probably don't need to spell it out in the vote. Mathilde is smart enough that she will use the resources available to her, especially if you are putting The Father on.

ps nothing personal, but the idea of doing a Father turn and not testing the Lady theory made my physically cringe
 
based on precedent, you probably don't need to spell it out in the vote. Mathilde is smart enough that she will use the resources available to her, especially if you are putting The Father on.

ps nothing personal, but the idea of doing a Father turn and not testing the Lady theory made my physically cringe
If you can figure out how to fit that into a plan, go for it. I can't, and I'm in no mental state to go through all that right now.
 
If you can figure out how to fit that into a plan, go for it. I can't, and I'm in no mental state to go through all that right now.
unfortunately I think the Father will have to wait a few more turns, theres just not enough time to do what the thread wants to do and go to Bretonnia (let alone also go to the nexuses).

From the sounds of things you might need to step away for a bit and relax, the thread should be enjoyable not stressing you out.
 
Are we doing the orbs of sorcery flex this turn?
Also, what is the stat-swapping mirror?
I believe that currently the plan is to put the Orbs off for another turn, so that they can be done inside the Room of Oh Dear, Oh God, Oh No
Since it got messed up from the AV experiment and Kragg gave a window of 1 year (2 turns) before the Room would be safely usable again

Canon Egrimm Van Horstmann created an artifact called Van Horstmann's Speculum, which is a mirror that lets swaps the martial abilities of the wielder with whomever gets reflected in the mirror
And somebody thought it'd be a fun nod if in this timeline the Speculum turned out to be something Mathilde and Horstmann made together
Though I'm not sure exactly what combo of spell enchantments are expected to produce it
 
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From the sounds of things you might need to step away for a bit and relax, the thread should be enjoyable not stressing you out.
That is why I'm handing it off and leaving it for others to pick up, or not, as they please. Stepping away before posting it simply would not have helped before posting because missing the initial conversation in sleep and afterwards being torn between a sense of obligation to finish what I started and the passage of time, and the accumulated vote, was precisely the problem.

I wasn't expecting this to be as big a problem as it became for me, but it came in out of the blue, and in moments like that it's kind of... yeah. Things happen, and figuring out how to keep a calm face on and also handle things well during all that is not a skill I have mastered.
 
A few pages behind, so maybe someon has brought this up, but if Eike is a regular apprentice as opposed to a senior one, doesn't that mean she can not yet reliably cast her magic outside of a monowind environment?
 
"The Mirror of Distorted Truths"—a possible name for the stat swapping mirror?

Or after a quick wiki dive, "The Astigmatic Lens"?

Oh, I've just discovered something called a Chinese Magic Mirror—obviously we can't call it that, but a mirror that doubles as a projector seems in tune with the idea.
 
A few pages behind, so maybe someon has brought this up, but if Eike is a regular apprentice as opposed to a senior one, doesn't that mean she can not yet reliably cast her magic outside of a monowind environment?

The expectation is that she'd need them for learning new spells, so they'd still need to be based out of a College facility of some sort.
 
I wonder if Qrech's book on Chaos Dwarves counts as Imperial or Skaven. It's not enough for a point or anything, but still.
 
Also Panoramia would probably be pretty impressed if Mathilde can reach the, 'such distinctions now only exist when I have reason to will it' stage. Time to delve deeper into some Ulgu. Then learn from Cython's example and sire some eggs.
This post was originally going to be much shorter but kinda evolved into a massive effortpost that I've been waiting for an opportunity to segue into for ages. May I present,

Mathilde's and Panoramia options for children:


1. Adoption. Two sub-options:​
1.1. Adoption from the general populace. Would give an unfortunate orphan a much better life than they otherwise would have ever had. Downside: complete luck of the draw for magical potential, will probably only be a potential Wizard on a natural 100 on a d100. Poor choice if we want Wizard children.​
1.2. Adoption from within the Colleges. Either look for an orphaned child of a Collegiate Wizard or ask the Lights to send one of the magically gifted children they scour orphanages for to us instead of joining one of their choirs. Will probably have magical potential but will be luck of the draw for how strong, very low chance of Mathilde-level, moderate to low chance of Magister-level, large chance of Perpetual Apprentice-level.​
2. Sperm donors. Two sections:​
2.1. Choosing the biological mother.​
2.1.1. Mathilde as the biological mother. Would inherit the genetic component of Mathilde's magical potential which is likely to be significant. Likely to result in a magically gifted child. Downsides: Pregnancy may cause drop in productivity especially in physical tasks and birth and recovery would take time, might be represented by lowing an AP. Also depending on if the Jade's druidic faction's lineage system works they may not consider a child not biologically descended from Panoramia to not be truly her child, excluding them from inheriting any privileges or secret traditions from Panoramia's bloodline.​
2.1.2. Panoramia as the biological mother. Would definitely inherit any druidic secrets and privileges and has no risk of costing Mathilde AP. Downside: would probably have lesser genetic magical potential than if descended from Mathilde.​
2.2. Choosing the sperm donor.​
2.2.1. Egrimm. A good friend with high magical power, will probably pass on good genes for magical potential.​
2.2.2. Johann. Another good friend and was Panoramia's main rival in the romance vote. Also has probably has good magical potential genes.​
2.2.3. A stranger. Find someone with the genetic traits we want within or without the Colleges and convince them to donate some sperm. No personal connection to sperm donor and we have no idea if we'll even find a candidate let alone convince them to donate sperm for a stranger.​
2.2.4. Cython. No seriously, there's reasons this might work, plenty more reasons it probably wouldn't but there is a possibility it might. Cython has indicated they have delved so deep into Hysh can change their genitalia into whatever form they desire for the situation. If they can shapeshift their reproductive organs into non-dragon form, specifically that of a human male, and assuming that the sperm produced is biologically human enough to fertilize a human egg, it could work. 99.99% chance it doesn't work but a 0.01% chance it does is still technically a chance.​
3. Fully biological children of both Mathilde and Panoramia. Would inherit Mathilde's magical genes and definitely be a part of Panoramia's bloodline. Methods:​
3.1. Ulgu ascension. We know it's possible from Cython but it will likely take decades minimum and that's assuming we survive that long.​
3.2. High Magic. We have some friends in Laurelorn and might make some friends in Ulthuan who may be able to make it work but it will probably take a favor.​
3.3. A literal miracle. Either from Shallya or Haletha, make the biologically impossible happen through Divine Magic.​
3.4. A brand new custom spell/ritual. It might be possible to design a new Ghyran spell that would make this possible or try to delve into ritual magic which is both much less limited than normal Wind magic and much more powerful to figure out a solution.​
3.5. The text for it from Shades of the Empire reads:​
You plead with the Gods of Fertility to bless the target as you unleash your spell. Assuming the target and any potential partner are fertile, Halétha's Joy ensures a child will be conceived. The spell ends as soon as it is successfully used.
At first glance it seems like a more limited version of Spring Bloom which can do the same thing but also help with farming.​
You concentrate the power of life magic in one area or being. You can affect either a plot of land the size of a farmer's field or one living being of any race. A field will literally burst with life, and the next harvest is guaranteed to be abundant. If cast on a living being, conception will occur within a month if all other normal conditions (i.e. breeding) are met.
Except for one thing. Spring Bloom specifies that it only works if "all other normal conditions (i.e. breeding) are met". Halétha's Joy doesn't have that limitation. As written as long as both partners are fertile a baby will occur, regardless of whether they actually go through the motions or not. Ghyran's Spring Bloom may not be useful for our purposes but non-Teclisean Hedge Magic possibly with a dash of Divine Magic from Haletha mixed in may be do the trick.​



Personally my preference is fully biological children of both, followed by sperm donor with Mathilde as the biological mother it the former is infeasible, followed by adoption. Nothing against adoption, it's the most charitable option and if you're adopted you know for a fact that your parents deliberately chose you and wanted you as opposed to people putting tab a into slot b without sufficient precautions which has resulted in many an unwanted and neglected child, it's just that I want any potential child to have as much magical potential as possible and to become as powerful a Wizard as possible which means them having Mathilde's genes would be a plus in my eyes.
 
it's just that I want any potential child to have as much magical potential as possible and to become as powerful a Wizard as possible
This way lie unreasonably high expectations and making children feel undeserving if they don't meet your standards... how about we leave teaching magic to teaching magic, and raising children to raising children?
 
I have no interest in wizard eugenics. Picking a kid option based on predicted magical potential feels yucky. There is a related question that's interesting though, but just as a matter of curiosity.

@Boney, wizard kids tend to be magic more often than non-wizard kids, but is that nature or nurture? Are adopted kids also more likely to be magic?
 
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I have no interest in wizard eugenics. Picking a kid option based on predicted magical potential feels yucky. There is a related question that's interesting though, but just as a matter of curiosity.

@Boney, wizard kids tend to be magic more often than non-wizard kids, but is that nature or nurture? Are adopted kids also more likely to be magic?
Whilst maybe technically accurate, eugenics is kind of a charged term to level against a quester who thinks it'd be more fun to raise a magic kid than one without, and isn't even considering any kind of yucky societal-level change.
 
Whilst maybe technically accurate, eugenics is kind of a charged term to level against a quester who thinks it'd be more fun to raise a magic kid than one without, and isn't even considering any kind of yucky societal-level change.
I'll concede using the e-word was a bit much. More tempered language would've been appropriate. My last exposure to someone talking about inheriting traits in a quest was a few years back when someone said we should breed an asexual woman to make kids who are good at fighting. This isn't that and I should've recognised it.
 
I know there's been a lot of momentum behind the Rider in Red aesthetic, but wouldn't the Whispering Darkness have more synergy with Mathilde's Staff of Mistery? I feel like the massive bonuses we could apply to a shadow/fog-based apparition is really underrated, especially since they can also track and eat Dark Magic.

[X] Plan Redshirt v4.53236
 
I know there's been a lot of momentum behind the Rider in Red aesthetic, but wouldn't the Whispering Darkness have more synergy with Mathilde's Staff of Mistery? I feel like the massive bonuses we could apply to a shadow/fog-based apparition is really underrated, especially since they can also track and eat Dark Magic.

[X] Plan Redshirt v4.53236

We can track dark magic by looking with our magesight.
 
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