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    • Magoose said:
    Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

    So we have some bad news.

    The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

    I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
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    TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

    To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

    I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

    I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

    I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

    I'll see you all around.

    With so many regards, Duke William Of.
     
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    • [X]Let Mike Work: You're going to let Mike make the moves here, as you don't know how to do this.

    Let him cook
     
    You know the funny thing is…

    20th Century Fox:D100 => 15

    I'm certain that most of the Hollywood Studios are run by idiots if Fox is anything to go by.
     
    Adhoc vote count started by Whenyouseeyou on Apr 29, 2023 at 9:42 PM, finished with 53 posts and 27 votes.
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    Hold up a minute..just noticed it now.

    @bryanfran36, aren't you that guy who made the Soviet Drakaverse Quest?

    Fun fact: Speaking of that, S.M. Stirling's 21-22 as of 1975. (Born in 1953).

    Anyway, When should we start the Process for Renaissance? I've been wondering about that for a while now.
     
    I gotta say I love how Turn plans are so calm and civil but anytime we have a business interlude the Quest goes into total civil war, lol.

    @Magoose What exactly are the broad justifications for the strike in regards to the violations by the studios? As shitty as the rewards are, they've always been rigged so there's probably a lot more to it.

    Very curious to see what Alan has lined up. 1975 and 1976 seemed to be drought years for movies and the only notable ones that could be major successes in the Lucasfilms catalog are Taxi Driver, Bad News Bears, Carrie and Marathon Man.
     
    We could spin the talk to Mike one into telling him we want something long term with Alan to keep him attached to lucasfilms? Seems a decent compromise and let's us be less harsh too? Idk I'm just spitballing. Generally tying him to Lucasfilms and New Hollywood is the idea.
     
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    Anyone wants to throw out how likely it is for Alan to not backstab us even if we do the compramise?

    Aka, what are the probabilities by Personality, Goals, thinking, etc.
     
    RealOtto said:
    Aka, what are the probabilities by Personality, Goals, thinking, etc.
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    I already covered this in my previous posts. I find it extremely unlikely that he would "backstab" us given both his goals, his experience thus far with the studios, and his ITTL+OTL personality. At most, he'd probably try to maintain connections with old Hollywood alongside working with us and the rest of New Hollywood, in the same way that Debbie wanted Carrie to do Some Nights with an establishment studio so that she wasn't tied down.
     
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    [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.
     
    [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.
     
    Kaiser Chris said:
    I gotta say I love how Turn plans are so calm and civil but anytime we have a business interlude the Quest goes into total civil war, lol.
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    Because of Money.

    Kaiser Chris said:
    @Magoose What exactly are the broad justifications for the strike in regards to the violations by the studios? As shitty as the rewards are, they've always been rigged so there's probably a lot more to it.
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    Well lets see:

    in 73, there were almost 100 instances of actors being let go when their contracts were not up, which is normal, except they were not compensated, and they did not have any sort of... well stipulation for premature departure. Meaning they were fucked out of tens of thousands of dollars. Basically, people who were part of the guild but didn't have any star power to get another job. Strike one.

    There was also the fact that Alan got goat fucked by Universal during Some Nights, and numerous producers were jockeying to make sure his name was erased from the film before release, making it a Universal-only property, rather than a property that was... multi-studio. This meant that Alan lost out on potentially tens of millions of dollars, and Fox lost tons of prestige. Strike two.

    And the final strike, was when a screenwriters room for one of the films at Universal, who had been under contract, was asked to write another screenplay, and the screenplay they worked on, was stolen by another screenwriter's room, which got a huge payday, and the studio did nothing to stop that theft, or even credit the other writers. This was done at Warner bros.

    Strike three, every single guild has a legitimate, and downright existential threat from the studios seeing the success of Some Nights and doing shady things to get their profits going.

    And then Hollywood shut down.

    Also, fun little note:

    Steve has nearly been fired twice from JAWS, but wasn't because everyone else has heard horror stories from that set and said "Fuck no"
    RealOtto said:
    One and still is my all time favourite Quests I've seen.

    Tried recreating the energy of that quest via its Dice and CKII Systems in an old quest of mine on SB..

    It went crazy.
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    Hey, at least you have the Magoose Dice to screw around with.
     
    Magoose said:
    Well lets see:

    in 73, there were almost 100 instances of actors being let go when their contracts were not up, which is normal, except they were not compensated, and they did not have any sort of... well stipulation for premature departure. Meaning they were fucked out of tens of thousands of dollars. Basically, people who were part of the guild but didn't have any star power to get another job. Strike one.

    There was also the fact that Alan got goat fucked by Universal during Some Nights, and numerous producers were jockeying to make sure his name was erased from the film before release, making it a Universal-only property, rather than a property that was... multi-studio. This meant that Alan lost out on potentially tens of millions of dollars, and Fox lost tons of prestige. Strike two.

    And the final strike, was when a screenwriters room for one of the films at Universal, who had been under contract, was asked to write another screenplay, and the screenplay they worked on, was stolen by another screenwriter's room, which got a huge payday, and the studio did nothing to stop that theft, or even credit the other writers. This was done at Warner bros.

    Strike three, every single guild has a legitimate, and downright existential threat from the studios seeing the success of Some Nights and doing shady things to get their profits going.

    And then Hollywood shut down.

    Also, fun little note:

    Steve has nearly been fired twice from JAWS, but wasn't because everyone else has heard horror stories from that set and said "Fuck no"

    Hey, at least you have the Magoose Dice to screw around with.
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    Holy shit that's a level of assholery and scumminess that I couldn't even conceive of. That along with the blatant award meddling, MASH the show from hell, lots of rot left in TV, erratic and bigoted leadership across all the establishment, and the bonkers post-Night strategem of pumping money and then leaving films to freeze due to lack of distribution is really showing the rot Hollywood is in right now. I guess I'm fully on the Strikers on this one, and now it's just a battle of attrition and war of public opinion to see who blinks first. Hopefully we get some sort of resolution before six months, otherwise the rubicon is crossed and it's a total win lose situation for both.

    Also I don't know if you're aware Magoose, but there's actually a Writer's Guild strike that's very likely to happen in two days over streaming residuals, compensation for long-term television series, contracting and the usage of AI and chat bots in writing. If it's not resolved in a few months then the Director's and Screen Actor's are likely to strike in solidarity due to their own ongoing issues, so this is actually the perfect time to launch this arc in the Quest.
     
    Kaiser Chris said:
    Holy shit that's a level of assholery and scumminess that I couldn't even conceive of.
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    Is it realistic that such a thing would be brought to light, especially in the 70's?

    No, not really, but I'm for a little bit of... unrealistic fantasy here in my ficiton, so... onwards we go.
    Kaiser Chris said:
    That along with the blatant award meddling, MASH the show from hell, lots of rot left in TV, erratic and bigoted leadership across all the establishment, and the bonkers post-Night strategem of pumping money and then leaving films to freeze due to lack of distribution is really showing the rot Hollywood is in right now. I guess I'm fully on the Strikers on this one, and now it's just a battle of attrition and war of public opinion to see who blinks first. Hopefully we get some sort of resolution before six months, otherwise the rubicon is crossed and it's a total win lose situation for both.
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    Yep.

    Lets see who blinks first.

    Hint, it's not going to be the strikers unless the Feds get involved.

    And the feds aren't interested just yet. :V

    Because Ronnie Raygun is not going to take sides here... I know, the most insane thing about this whole situation.:V
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    Also I don't know if you're aware Magoose, but there's actually a Writer's Guild strike that's very likely to happen in two days over streaming residuals, compensation for long-term television series, contracting and the usage of AI and chat bots in writing. If it's not resolved in a few months then the Director's and Screen Actor's are likely to strike in solidarity due to their own ongoing issues, so this is actually the perfect time to launch this arc in the Quest.
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    One of my friends is an Animator at Pixar and is part of one of the guilds.

    He may not have told me a lot, but hey, I learned quite a bit from him about film making and the movie business.

    Mostly how stupid some people in charge are.
     
    I'm a bit confused on how is it possible for Lucasfilm Unlimited to keep on going "business as Usual" right now. I would think that all actors, directors and screenwriters would strike in solidarity across the board instead of just seeing which ones keep their word and which do not. Even if we take aside Star Wars (since the actors have already been put into contract, the script is done, and the Director is the owner of the studio) we still have Rocky to think of, and that came after or just at the beginning of the strike.

    I'm sorry, this is just a bit confusing to me.

    This is not going ot make George any friends either, I think I remember that he entered into a feud with the Director's Guild of America over Star Wars because they claimed he did not put the Director's name before his own in the movie, while Lucas claimed the opposite.
     
    overmind said:
    I'm a bit confused on how is it possible for Lucasfilm Unlimited to keep on going "business as Usual" right now. I would think that all actors, directors and screenwriters would strike in solidarity across the board instead of just seeing which ones keep their word and which do not. Even if we take aside Star Wars (since the actors have already been put into contract, the script is done, and the Director is the owner of the studio) we still have Rocky to think of, and that came after or just at the beginning of the strike.

    I'm sorry, this is just a bit confusing to me.
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    For Rocky, that's not something you or even George needs to worry about.

    Mike's got you covered, and he's got enough friends in all three guilds to where he can get an exception is to be made.

    As for Star Wars...

    Well. that depends on what happens during post production when we get back to the states.
    overmind said:
    This is not going ot make George any friends either, I think I remember that he entered into a feud with the Director's Guild of America over Star Wars because they claimed he did not put the Director's name before his own in the movie, while Lucas claimed the opposite.
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    Well, George has never really been a fan of the guild anyway and had only paid lip service to it since his career began...

    he was able to get away with it because his productions were small, independent, or in Graffiti's case ... done on a time crunch that no sane director would ever try.

    So expect that to come up again... if he decides to declare his blood feud on them.

    He totally might BTW.

    Also, something to note: Bruce, despite being a tv director, is not part of the directors guild either. :V
     
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