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    • Magoose said:
    Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

    So we have some bad news.

    The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

    I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
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    TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

    To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

    I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

    I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

    I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

    I'll see you all around.

    With so many regards, Duke William Of.
     
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    • [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.
     
    [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.
     
    [X]Let Mike Work: You're going to let Mike make the moves here, as you don't know how to do this.

    On another note, been playing Jedi Survivor and, not to give any spoilers, but I have a name for Han Solo's underground railroad...The Hidden Path.
     
    Nova_kaiser said:
    I don't understand why people want us to undermine Mike in the negotiation.
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    You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding what the counteroffer action is here. We aren't undermining him, we still let him have control but we are telling him what we want out of the negotiation besides money. We want to maintain a healthy relationship with Alan without compromising our ability to profit from the situation. That's it, that's all that it's doing. We don't want to burn bridges by taking advantage of Alan just for a couple extra bucks.
     
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    Schehera Zade said:
    You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding what the counteroffer action is here. We aren't undermining him, we still let him have control but we are telling him what we want out of the negotiation besides money. We want to maintain a healthy relationship with Alan without compromising our ability to profit from the situation. That's it, that's all that it's doing.
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    What's the point in having Mike if we destroy his good deals AND where is Alan going to go if he does not want to work with us?
     
    Nova_kaiser said:
    What's the point in having Mike if we destroy his good deals AND where is Alan going to go if he does not want to work with us?
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    The "point" of MIke is to handle the business aspect of the company, yes, but we and George are still the owners. He still has to follow what it is that we want out of him. It's not "destroying his good deals" as you claim, it's telling him that getting a good financial deal for us isn't the only goal of his in this meeting. True, Alan doesn't have anywhere else to go right now, that's why we need to be lenient here. We could easily take advantage of the situation to make more money, but that would damage our relationship with Alan, a relationship we need in order to pave the way for New Hollywood to overtake the old. Taking advantage of him while he has nowhere else to go, all for some unneeded extra cash, is beyond scummy behavior that makes us no different than the studios that have fucked us over continuously throughout the Quest. We need allies and Alan has been explicitly stated by Magoose to be capable of being one of those people, as well as being capable of being very influential amongst New Hollywood. What you want is short sighted at best. We need to come out of this meeting not only with a good deal for us financially, but more importantly, with a good relationship with Alan that can open up to even greater prospects. That's why I'm against choosing to simply let Mike do his thing without stressing this first to him, because it betrays literally everything we have been doing so far with the company.
     
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    Schehera Zade said:
    The "point" of MIke is to handle the business aspect of the company, yes, but we and George are still the owners. He still has to follow what it is that we want out of him. It's not "destroying his good deals" as you claim, it's telling him that getting a good financial deal for us isn't the only goal of his in this meeting. True, Alan doesn't have anywhere else to go right now, that's why we need to be lenient here. We could easily take advantage of the situation to make more money, but that would damage our relationship with Alan, a relationship we need in order to pave the way for New Hollywood to overtake the old. Taking advantage of him while he has nowhere else to go, all for some unneeded extra cash, is beyond scummy behavior that makes us no different than the studios that have fucked us over continuously throughout the Quest. We need allies and Alan has been explicitly stated by Magoose to be capable of being one of those people, as well as being capable of being very influential amongst New Hollywood. What you want is short sighted at best. We need to come out of this meeting not only with a good deal for us financially, but more importantly, with a good relationship with Alan that can open up to even greater prospects. That's why I'm against choosing to simply let Mike do his thing without stressing this first to him, because it betrays literally everything we have been doing so far with the company.
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    We're not ' fucking him over' , it's supply meets demand, If we're fucking him over we would demand 60 to 70% if not more. And BTW Alan is a buisniss man even if we gave him 40% he might find a better deal later elsewhere and leave us, so it's better to take 50 and hope te renegotiate later at a more competitive rate for Alan. This is Hollywood not the local highschool film club.
     
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    Nova_kaiser said:
    We're not ' fucking him over' , it's supply meets demand, If we're fucking him over we would demand 60 to 70% if not more. And BTW Alan is a buisniss man even if we gave him 40% he might find a better deal later elsewhere and leave us, so it's better to take 50 and hope te renegotiate later at a more competitive rate for Alan
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    Half of his profits while he's just starting up his company and when he has nowhere else to go, especially when he was already having difficulty reaching out to others before the strike? That's absolutely what I would call fucking him over. I'm not sure what your point is about Alan being a business man. Yeah, he's a businessman, so? It's already been established what it is that he wants to accomplish aside from profits, with that being changing Hollywood for the better. To accomplish that, he wants to align himself with the Mavericks, people like us. That is just as important to him as the profits, as he specifically left his company and refused offers to work at others over this exact thing. Sure, he might leave us, but that's just a possibility, an unlikely one as well given that he wants to align with the Mavericks. You know what would almost ensure that he would leave? Taking advantage of him in this moment instead of showing that before making profits, we want to accomplish something together. You know what could easily make him want to stay? Showing that even though we held all the cards in our hands, we still chose to be lenient and extend a hand in friendship. Sticking by him, even though it would have been easy to make a quick buck off of him because the art comes first. What you want to do is, frankly, predatory business and I refuse to push for it. Do what you will, but I won't be party to it.
     
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    Schehera Zade said:
    Half of his profits while he's just starting up his company and when he has nowhere else to go, especially when he was already having difficulty reaching out to others before the strike? That's absolutely what I would call fucking him over. I'm not sure what your point is about Alan being a business man. Yeah, he's a businessman, so? It's already been established what it is that he wants to accomplish aside from profits, with that being changing Hollywood for the better. To accomplish that, he wants to align himself with the Mavericks, people like us. That is just as important to him as the profits, as he specifically left his company and refused offers to work at others over this exact thing. Sure, he might leave us, but that's just a possibility, an unlikely one as well given that he wants to align with the Mavericks. You know what would almost ensure that he would leave? Taking advantage of him in this moment instead of showing that before making profits, we want to accomplish something together. You know what could easily make him want to stay? Showing that even though we held all the cards in our hands, we still chose to be lenient and extend a hand in friendship. Sticking by him, even though it would have been easy to make a quick buck off of him because the art comes first. What you want to do is, frankly, predatory business and I refuse to push for it.
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    Show me where he cares about 'changing Hollywood for the better', because I interpretid it him bemoaning all the change Bruce caused with his lawsuit and the chaos that it caused. Also how are we preditory if we take a huge risk on his ideas THAT WE STILL DON'T KNOW. High risk= high reward and if we handicap ourself by limeting us because 'muh predator' we might lose on 10% profits for possible no gain. (btw sorry for poor english and no hard feeligs okay?)
     
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    Nova_kaiser said:
    Show me where he cares about 'changing Hollywood for the better', because I interpretid it him bemoaning all the change Bruce caused with his lawsuit and the chaos that it caused. Also how are we preditory if we take a huge risk on his ideas THAT WE STILL DON'T KNOW. High risk= high reward and if we handicap ourself by limeting us because 'muh predator' we might lose on 10% profits for possible no gain. (btw sorry for poor english and no hard feeligs okay?)
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    It's not anywhere near as much of a risk as you seem to think it is. It's 20 million for a couple films to the guy who produced the likes of Braveheart and Police Academy, and had Alien and Star Wars produced during his tenure as head of Fox's film division as well as a Fish Called Wanda while at MGM and fucking Blade Runner when he was running his own company. It's also not like he doesn't have an eye for talent, considering that he was one of the very few people who went to bat for George OTL when the board kept wanting to shut production of Star Wars down and went to the president of Fox to convince him to keep it running. He was reportedly moved to tears when he saw how much the audience loved it in the screen testing. No, we wouldn't be losing out on 10% for no gain, we would be getting likely somewhere between 30-40 percent of the gross, producer credits, "award bait" as stated by Alan, and a better starting relationship with Alan. That relationship is worth far more than an extra 10% gross.
     
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    [X]Let Mike Work: You're going to let Mike make the moves here, as you don't know how to do this.
     
    Schehera Zade said:
    It's not anywhere near as much of a risk as you seem to think it is. It's 20 million for a couple films to the guy who produced the likes of Braveheart and Police Academy, and had Alien and Star Wars produced during his tenure as head of Fox's film division. It's also not like he doesn't have an eye for talent, considering that he was one of the very few people who went to bat for George OTL when the board kept wanting to shut production of Star Wars down and went to the president of Fox to convince him to keep it running. He was reportedly moved to tears when he saw how much the audience loved it in the screen testing. No, we wouldn't be losing out on 10% for no gain, we would be getting likely somewhere between 30-40 percent of the gross, producer credits, "award bait" as stated by Alan, and a better starting relationship with Alan. That relationship is worth far more than an extra 10% gross.
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    What you're missing is that he's fired from Fox and we have no plans to aproach Fox. I just don't trust him to stick with us even if we give him 40% and I'm convinced that when the strike is over he would jump ship to a more larger company (like Universal) because he himself admitted he ignored Bruce for other companies so it's better to take 50% and later IF we're lucky we can renegociate for a lower percentage.
     
    Nova_kaiser said:
    What you're missing is that he's fired from Fox and we have no plans to aproach Fox. I just don't trust him to stick with us even if we give him 40% and I'm convinced that when the strike is over he would jump ship to a more larger company (like Universal) because he himself admitted he ignored Bruce for other companies so it's better to take 50% and later IF we're lucky we can renegociate for a lower percentage.
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    You're forgetting the nightmare Alan faced with Universal fucking up Some Nights. I highly doubt he'd want to approach them either. Overall, we're just going to have agree to disagree as I simply do not agree with your assessment of the situation at all. I already made my position on your desire for short term profits over long term gain clear.
     
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    Schehera Zade said:
    You're forgetting the nightmare Alan faced with Universal fucking up Some Nights. I highly doubt he'd want to approach them either. Overall, we're just going to have agree to disagree as I simply do not agree with your assessment of the situation at all.
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    Fine, in my eyes you're throwing a good oppertunity to creat capital down the drain for silly reasons but c'est la vie.
     
    [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.

    Nova_kaiser said:
    Fine, in my eyes you're throwing a good oppertunity to creat capital down the drain for silly reasons but c'est la vie.
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    At this point Bruce has lots of money, but few friends in Hollywood. What he needs is more friends, not more money, so giving up some cash to get a potential ally in Alan is worth it, in my book.
     
    CoreBrute said:
    At this point Bruce has lots of money, but few friends in Hollywood. What he needs is more friends, not more money, so giving up some cash to get a potential ally in Alan is worth it, in my book.
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    But we're not certain if we're getting a ''friend''. Honestly I'm tired of repeating myself. We're not dealing with George or our other friends here, we're dealing with someone who wants to make money but is forced to deal with Bruce
     
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    [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.

    Videogamer921 said:
    The age old question, to let Mike cook or not.

    X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge
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    you need to add a [ before the X, or else you vote won't count.
     
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    [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.

    This seems to be the best option. Yes we could get more money, but we aren't exactly In need of extra money at the moment, we are more in need of friends or allies, which Alan does seems to be a good option for.
     
    [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.
     
    Adhoc vote count started by Whenyouseeyou on Apr 29, 2023 at 6:47 PM, finished with 40 posts and 23 votes.
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    [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.
     
    [X]Make a counteroffer (Linetail your offer below this one)
    -[X]Tell Mike to go easy on Alan: Let Mike handle this, but privately tell him not to be too harsh on Alan. Get a good deal, but don't burn this bridge.
     
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