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    • Magoose said:
    Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

    So we have some bad news.

    The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

    I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
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    TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

    To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

    I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

    I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

    I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

    I'll see you all around.

    With so many regards, Duke William Of.
     
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    • [X] $14 Million
    [X] The Characters
    -[X] Make them feel real, they need to be actual people, not just exposition dumps. Write out who they are and then ask with every line 'would Luke/Han/Leia say this?' And go on from there.
     
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    Honestly I want us to finance at least 50% of the budget cause in order to make money you gotta use it.
     
    overmind said:
    I'm not saying we ignore the Force, but neither can we just start doing a technical description of what it can and cannot do, its origins, it's differing philosophies, etc., in the story whcih should be about a Rebel Alliance against the Empire. The Force, as George put it in the films was just as it should be; Not too much to overshado everything else, not too little so as to make it irrelevant. It was just right.

    After the films we can flesh out the Force in further films dedicated to it, perhaps one about Padawan learning about it, or perhaps a TV show where we see different philosophies disagreeing. But for these films, I think the Force has been given the right amount of exposure.

    ...Though perhaps we could change the third one? Not that is bad, but out of the three, it is the one that I think could be changed oddly enough.
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    No disrespect meant, but this is a shockingly dumb take. You're saying that we can't explain the Force in a film series about the damn Force and Jedi and Sith and their eternal struggle. Yeah, the original trilogy's big back and forth is about taking down the Empire, but the conflict at it's core is the struggle between Jedi and Sith(some might say it's about the conflict between Father and Son, but because we don't learn this until Empire, I don't agree with it), just like it literally always is in Star Wars no matter what other conflicts are happening at the same time. Not to mention, I already outlined when it can be explained, during Yoda's training of Luke. To say "fuck it" to the power/"magic" system of Star Wars in favor of its generic ass Rebellion and say "oh, we'll explain what the fuck is going on in later movies or TV shows after everything has already been complete" is asinine. Especially because they don't need whole damn films or TV shows dedicated to explaining the Force, because again, we already have the time to do it during Yoda's training. You should never, and I mean NEVER, have to go to third party media in order to understand what's happening. That's called bad writing, straight and simple. Every piece of media should be able to be consumed on it's own with supplemental material being just that, supplemental. I shouldn't, as a consumer, need to watch some other whole ass TV show in order to understand what the hell is happening in the films, like the MCU, or read some random book in order to understand who and what the fuck I'm being presented with or to fill in plot holes, like the Star Wars sequels. Fucking hell, even today with modern Star Wars, we still don't understand jack shit about the Force unless you've watched the animated Clone Wars show or played the KOTOR games. That is genuinely unacceptable as both a creator and a consumer.

    I've got some other things to do right now, and I can tell that if this keeps going on, then I'm going to get pretty heated, much more than I already am(I'm not actually all that angry, just really frustrated), so I'm going to go take a shower and come back later. I will say, if we don't do this, I insist that we do a Revan/Meetra Surik(basically just KOTOR films) series of films so that we can explain the Force. I apologize if I became too hostile, rude, or aggressive.
     
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    Schehera Zade said:
    No disrespect meant, but this is a shockingly dumb take. You're saying that we can't explain the Force in a film series about the damn Force and Jedi and Sith and their eternal struggle. Yeah, the original trilogy's big back and forth is about taking down the Empire, but the conflict at it's core is the struggle between Jedi and Sith(some might say it's about the conflict between Father and Son, but because we don't learn this until Empire, I don't agree with it), just like it literally always is in Star Wars no matter what other conflicts are happening at the same time. Not to mention, I already outlined when it can be explained, during Yoda's training of Luke. To say "fuck it" to the power/"magic" system of Star Wars in favor of its generic ass Rebellion and say "oh, we'll explain what the fuck is going on in later movies or TV shows after everything has already been complete" is asinine. Especially because they don't need whole damn films or TV shows dedicated to explaining the Force, because again, we already have the time to do it during Yoda's training. You should never, and I mean NEVER, have to go to third party media in order to understand what's happening. That's called bad writing, straight and simple. Every piece of media should be able to be consumed on it's own with supplemental material being just that, supplemental. I shouldn't, as a consumer, need to watch some other whole ass TV show in order to understand what the hell is happening in the films, like the MCU, or read some random book in order to understand who and what the fuck I'm being presented with or to fill in plot holes, like the Star Wars sequels. Fucking hell, even today with modern Star Wars, we still don't understand jack shit about the Force unless you've watched the animated Clone Wars show or played the KOTOR games. That is genuinely unacceptable as both a creator and a consumer.

    I've got some other things to do right now, and I can tell that if this keeps going on, then I'm going to get pretty heated, much more than I already am(I'm not actually all that angry, just really frustrated), so I'm going to go take a shower and come back later. I will say, if we don't do this, I insist that we do a Revan/Meetra Surik(basically just KOTOR films) series of films so that we can explain the Force. I apologize if I became too hostile, rude, or aggressive.
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    You're forgiven. It's not like I haven't done so on occasions as well.

    Just repeat to yoursefl "It's just a quest".

    I think I'll leave the argument as is though, I don't want to inflame things further.
     
    Also, aren't we trying to make money off of these ideas?

    And suppletory and third-party material is how we make more money? :V
     
    [X] $15 Million
    [X] The Characters
    -[X] Make them feel real, they need to be actual people, not just exposition dumps. Write out who they are and then ask with every line 'would Luke/Han/Leia say this?' And go on from there.


    I think in regards to the arguments about The Force, we should save that for Empire Strikes Back so we can truly make that the primary focus and themes of the story with Luke beginning his training as a Jedi in earnest, showcase his training under Yoda and what it means to live as a Jedi and how they serve the Force and all life, and contrast that with Vader and his pursuit of the Alliance's destruction and how he uses the Force to kill and destroy in selfish pursuits. Then in Return of the Jedi, we showcase the Sith dynamics fully and all of the powers and mechanics of the Dark Side, make it an honest temptation for Luke to fall rather than generic "Emotions lead to evil" to showcase why Vader fell down this path and why it's so easy for people to submit to the Dark Side, only for Luke to rise above and defeat it through the power of love and redemption, then completing the story full circle with Anakin's return and sacrifice.

    As for the budget, the film OTL had an original budget of 8 Million but then went overbudget by 3 Million. Let's add another 3 for some pizzaz and make it even better than perfection. Although if anyone has a different budget I'd be more than happy to switch, but at most I'd be willing to make it 15 or 16 million cause aside from Jabba and a bigger Battle of Yavin, there's not really a need for a titanic budget for New Hope.

    Edit: Changed it to 15 million to make things even and cause why not.
     
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    [X] $15 Million
    [X] The Characters
    -[X] Make them feel real, they need to be actual people, not just exposition dumps. Write out who they are and then ask with every line 'would Luke/Han/Leia say this?' And go on from there.
     
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    Kaiser Chris said:
    As for the budget, the film OTL had an original budget of 8 Million but then went overbudget by 3 Million. Let's add another 3 for some pizzaz and make it even better than perfection. Although if anyone has a different budget I'd be more than happy to switch, but at most I'd be willing to make it 15 or 16 million cause aside from Jabba and a bigger Battle of Yavin, there's not really a need for a titanic budget for New Hope.
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    I'd prefer if it was 15 million since it's a multiple of 5 and I like those, but 14 is just fine.

    Also, I agree with your ideas about leaving the force for the second and third films, they seem to fit the entire context.

    [X] $14 Million
    [X] The Characters
    -[X] Make them feel real, they need to be actual people, not just exposition dumps. Write out who they are and then ask with every line 'would Luke/Han/Leia say this?' And go on from there.
     
    overmind said:
    I'd prefer if it was 15 million since it's a multiple of 5 and I like those, but 14 is just fine.

    Also, I agree with your ideas about leaving the force for the second and third films, they seem to fit the entire context.

    [X] $14 Million
    [X] The Characters
    -[X] Make them feel real, they need to be actual people, not just exposition dumps. Write out who they are and then ask with every line 'would Luke/Han/Leia say this?' And go on from there.
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    I'm willing to change it to 15 if you think that would be more preferable. I was also trying to take into account Mike and Gary's reactions who even if we find the budget entirely out of our own pockets, might be apprehensive about such a ballooned budget or might be emboldened to play with the money to fit their vision.
     
    [X] $14 Million
    [X] The Characters
    -[X] Make them feel real, they need to be actual people, not just exposition dumps. Write out who they are and then ask with every line 'would Luke/Han/Leia say this?' And go on from there.
     
    [X] $15 Million
    [X] The Characters
    -[X] Make them feel real, they need to be actual people, not just exposition dumps. Write out who they are and then ask with every line 'would Luke/Han/Leia say this?' And go on from there.
     
    [Jk] Twenty Bajillion
    [X] The Characters
    -[X] Make them feel real, they need to be actual people, not just exposition dumps. Write out who they are and then ask with every line 'would Luke/Han/Leia say this?' And go on from there.


    [X] $14 Million
     
    [X] $15 Million
    [X] The Characters
    -[X] Make them feel real, they need to be actual people, not just exposition dumps. Write out who they are and then ask with every line 'would Luke/Han/Leia say this?' And go on from there.
     
    Either in this movie, or in Empire, I hope we get a piece of dialog that reveals Han as "the Deserter Lt Solo", in reference to his being formerly an Imperial Officer.
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    Either in this movie, or in Empire, I hope we get a piece of dialog that reveals Han as "the Deserter Lt Solo", in reference to his being formerly an Imperial Officer.
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    Honestly with Bruce playing him as he is now, the idea of Han being in his Kate 20's feels…like a stretch.

    Han being in his early 20's, some hot shot criminal smuggler and ship racer with a swagger, debts and an itchy trigger finger seems like a better fit for him then the older portrayal by Harrison Ford
     
    Is it wrong I'm afraid to mess with Star Wars? Like it's one of the most profitable franchises of all times, not to mention a timeless movie, I worry our modern sensibilities might ruin this first movie.
     
    McLuvin said:
    Honestly with Bruce playing him as he is now, the idea of Han being in his Kate 20's feels…like a stretch.

    Han being in his early 20's, some hot shot criminal smuggler and ship racer with a swagger, debts and an itchy trigger finger seems like a better fit for him then the older portrayal by Harrison Ford
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    I think he can be in early 20's and still be a former Imperial. Just have him graduate from the Academy at 17 or 18 and in his first year of duty, he deserts when assigned to Kashyyk and frees Chewbacca from slavery in 5 or 4 BBY and since then has been wandering around the galaxy in a number of adventures and shenanigans until he hits rock bottom and is forced to smuggle spice for Jabba.
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    Either in this movie, or in Empire, I hope we get a piece of dialog that reveals Han as "the Deserter Lt Solo", in reference to his being formerly an Imperial Officer.
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    If anything i want this reveal to happen in Empire Strikes Back, when Han and Leia are trying to escape and the high stress of the situation have them argue (like in the movie) and Han says something that leads to finally revealing his past...or something like that.
    McLuvin said:
    Honestly with Bruce playing him as he is now, the idea of Han being in his Kate 20's feels…like a stretch.

    Han being in his early 20's, some hot shot criminal smuggler and ship racer with a swagger, debts and an itchy trigger finger seems like a better fit for him then the older portrayal by Harrison Ford
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    Damn, I didn't think about that. Bruce really is a young I just tend to forget it what with all that's he's done so far. Your interpretation does fit him much better as well, unless we can age him up a bit with makeup...
    Kaiser Chris said:
    I think he can be in early 20's and still be a former Imperial. Just have him graduate from the Academy at 17 or 18 and in his first year of duty, he deserts when assigned to Kashyyk and frees Chewbacca from slavery in 5 or 4 BBY and since then has been wandering around the galaxy in a number of adventures and shenanigans until he hits rock bottom and is forced to smuggle spice for Jabba.
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    ...Or we could go with that. Thank you Kaiser Chris, you do come up with some of the best ideas!
     
    I got an idea for including Harrison Ford in Star Wars. Make him Boba Fett. Though I'd tweak it so that his rivalry with Han is a bit friendlier. Or that it's nothing personal, just business. And that while he's defeated he's allowed to to escape after Jabba is killed. Presumably after a glib remark about being glad that the Hutt paid in advance.

    Also making the relationship a bit friendlier gives us the excuse to have the two bantering during a fight scene. And few things are better than good banter.

    Maybe the fact that Boba is a side character would allow Ford to have more fun in the role than he ever did as Han Solo.
     
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    OldGlory76 said:
    I got an idea for including Harrison Ford in Star Wars. Make him Boba Fett. Though I'd tweak it so that his rivalry with Han is a bit friendlier. Or that it's nothing personal, just business. And that while he's defeated he's allowed to to escape after Jabba is killed. Presumably after a glib remark about being glad that the Hutt paid in advance.

    Also making the relationship a bit friendlier gives us the excuse to have the two bantering during a fight scene. And few things are better than good banter.

    Maybe the fact that Boba is a side character would allow Ford to have more fun in the role than he ever did as Han Solo.
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    To add onto an alternate Boba, maybe instead of having the chase take place in an asteroid field where the Falcon is stranded for a third of the film (One of the most boring sequences in Star Wars in my opinion), have the Falcon be forced to take refuge on a forest or mountainous world which has some atmospheric wonkyness that prevents scanning and easy flights. It's here that the bounty hunters come into play with them being sent down onto the surface and Han, Leia and Chewie having to fend them off, but Boba Fett proves himself to be the most resilient and smart hunter, with the group narrowly escaping him but Boba gets the last laugh because he placed a tracker on the Falcon which alerted Vader that they would head to Cloud City.

    overmind said:
    If anything i want this reveal to happen in Empire Strikes Back, when Han and Leia are trying to escape and the high stress of the situation have them argue (like in the movie) and Han says something that leads to finally revealing his past...or something like that.
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    I don't think it would be right for Han to reveal that and be a source of conflict unless he did war crimes because the Rebellion is built on Imperial traitors and Leia herself is an Imperial Senator so she wouldn't think less of Han. Maybe focus more on Han's internal conflict and angst in that it's not a big deal, but he treats it as such because he still debates whether he left his second family and if he betrayed his friends along with it being like I said a lot earlier, some of the best years of his life where he found purpose and camaraderie.

    For Han's past as an Imperial pilot to be a big deal, I would just hint at it in New Hope with some small hints and maybe a quiet conversation with Leia where he vaguely states it, but then have it be part of the conflict in Empire where part of the Imperial focus is on Death Squadron and the leader of Vader's personal TIE wing on the Executor, the 88th Fighter Wing, being Han's old mentor from the Academy, maybe Harrison Ford if we don't want him as Boba. Han's mentor personally leads the aerial assault on Hoth and kills a great number of snowspeeders and starfighters himself, being shown to be near Vader's equal as a pilot. He chases after the Falcon and Han realizes its his old mentor which starts his personal conflict of grappling with his past. The mentor is highl involved in the chase scene and becomes a focal point of Endor where they chase Lando and Wedge through the Death Star II shaft until Lando shoots the mentor down, allowing Wedge to get the kill shot.
     
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