[X] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!


I'm not inclined to write off our artillery, or let the enemy artillery bombard us without efforts to mitigate and counter it.
 
[X] Like Cordwood, Stack Terror

Let's also note - the Druuchi have pride. Their sheer ego and sense of superiority. And now that pride is being stamped and trampled and buried under ordnance that, to put it bluntly, I don't think they've faced in truly significant amounts beyond Asur bolt throwers. Now they're tasting a whiff of the grape in a completely new fashion, from a distance. Their discipline will hold, but as more and more fall in swaths from the artillery, that'll force bad - or at least hasty - decisions. And let's face it, one-for-one their infantry is VASTLY superior to ours; and it'll come down to likely those when it determines who wins this battle - not individual monsters or heroes/sorcerers. Winnow them down significantly so we can just bury the bastards in state troops if we have to.

At least that's my reason for voting this. Also keeping Freddy near Urgdug and banner.

I want to see Freddy-Urgdug brother tag-team action on Tullaris!
 
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The tanks I'm less concerned about, since the fog of war stuff applies, but the cannons represented their own hard points from vantage positions and are impossible to move besides, so we should be able to tell that much at the very least I think

Im.hopeful though. If they're still able to contribute then that's fucking excellent news. Maybe not for our super immediate needs, but that's still immense pressure being applied towards whatever it is they're being aimed at
 
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The tanks I'm less concerned about, since the fog of war stuff applies, but the cannons represented their own hard points from vantage positions and are impossible to move besides, so we should be able to tell that much at the very least I think

Im.hopeful though. If they're still able to contribute then that's fucking excellent news. Maybe not for our super immediate needs, but that's still immense pressure being applied towards whatever it is they're being aimed at
Well we have the ogres so moving them should be doable
 
[X] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!

Just writing off our artillery because apperantly the 3rd dragon is invulnerable is foolish
 
Just writing off our artillery because apperantly the 3rd dragon is invulnerable is foolish
Theres literally only one person saying that and hes using it as an argument against my plan. No one's seriously arguing that its invulnerable, but heavy breakthrough ability at will without a way to quickly suppress it on hand means it's going to get away with a lot of damage when it appears.

Ny proposed approach is not a write off, it's an investment. If we get lucky and the artillery survive in meaningful amounts for another round and the Druchii shift away from throwing infantry en masse at us then yeah we can swap back to artillery duels. But for right this second, we need to leverage our advantages as best we can while we still have them for certain.

The entire premise of the Druchiis chosen approach appears to be to ablate our defenses with chaff of all kinds so that their meaningful elite cadres can enter danger close range with impunity. Our best way to stop that is to overwhelm those ablative layers with sheer weight of fire.

Once that happens they should adjust and the need should become less urgent for the artillery to focus on them.

They're even short on war Beasts, apparently.
 
Theres literally only one person saying that and hes using it as an argument against my plan. No one's saying its invulnerable, but heavy breakthrough ability at will without a way to quickly suppress it on hand means it's going to get away with a lot of damage when it appears.

It's not a write off, it's an investment. If we get lucky and the artillery survive in meaningful amounts for another round and the Druchii shift away from throwing infantry en masse at us then yeah we can swap back to artillery duels. But for right this second, we need to leverage our advantages as best we can while we still have them for certain.

The entire premise of the Druchiis chosen approach appears to be to ablate our defenses with chaff of all kinds so that their meaningful elite cadres can enter danger close range with impunity. Our best way to stop that is to overwhelm those ablative layers with sheer weight of fire.

Once that happens they should adjust and the need should become less urgent for the artillery to focus on them.

They're even short on war Beasts, apparently.

I agree with that person that we need to prevent the dragon from just attacking us without retaliation. After the dragon destroyed our artillery it won't suddenly be dead, it will just turn towards destroying less valuable stuff, so investing our very valuable artillery into distracting the dragon for just the time it takes to kill them doesn't make sense.
 
I agree with that person that we need to prevent the dragon from just attacking us without retaliation.
And he didnt have an answer as to what form that retaliation would take, either. The best we can do is hope it either doesnt happen or that we've loosened up enough slack in our forces to enable a quick containment for when it does happen.

In the meantime, plan around the disaster so that it doesnt prove itself a crippling blow for us.


After the dragon destroyed our artillery it won't suddenly be dead, it will just turn towards destroying less valuable stuff, so investing our very valuable artillery into distracting the dragon for just the time it takes to kill them doesn't make sense.
...what?

Where did that even come from?
 
Where did that even come from?

Your entire argument is that we can't fight against the dragon, we apperantly don't have anything against them despite still having access to the ogre archers and oskana.

That means that the artillery will fire on the enemy infantry, die to the dragon that can't be relatiated against and the dragon will turn towards our other troops after that.

If we cannot retaliate against the dragon we have already lost, if you truly believe that we can't do it then you need to plan for our retreat
 
Your entire argument is that we can't fight against the dragon, we apperantly don't have anything against them despite still having access to the ogre archers and oskana.

That means that the artillery will fire on the enemy infantry, die to the dragon that can't be relatiated against and the dragon will turn towards our other troops after that.

If we cannot retaliate against the dragon we have already lost, if you truly believe that we can't do it then you need to plan for our retreat
??? The dragons are dead.
 
Your entire argument is that we can't fight against the dragon, we apperantly don't have anything against them despite still having access to the ogre archers and oskana.
...What?

The best we can do is hope it either doesnt happen or that we've loosened up enough slack in our forces to enable a quick containment for when it does happen.
We don't have any reserves capable of immediately blocking him. Recognizing that our supercombatants are stretched thin and our rank and file arent enough to meaningfully harm a matured Dragon and its Rider are not the same thing as whatever it is you're straw manning.

If the Ogre Archers were enough to contain the dude, they wouldve the first time. The absence of so much of our artillery puts that poorly conceived notion to rest.

Hell, Oskana wasnt even a meaningful way to deliver damage against Venomfang either. Her major contribution was acting as a delivery system for Freddy and Krillian.

Setting aside the fact that were already going to be hard leaning on Oskana and Natasha to counter the Pegasii and Supreme Sorceress?

What are you even talking about?


That means that the artillery will fire on the enemy infantry, die to the dragon that can't be relatiated against and the dragon will turn towards our other troops after that.
Yes. That's going to happen because we dont have anything capable of preventing him from immediately doing so. That's what makes Black Dragons such a huge threat in the first place.

They're a massive threat that can do a lot of damage without fear of meaningful retaliation in the short term.

If we cannot retaliate against the dragon we have already lost, if you truly believe that we can't do it then you need to plan for our retreat
...But I dont need to, because theres ways to contain the effects of that damage and win anyway?
 
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