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the real problem is they want a huge payout without actually contributing something major.

Could you remind me what you think the huge payout is? Especially since they are willing to offer secular waystones.

Personally I think it's becoming indispensable to the neighboring provinces, but I don't think I'm in a majority there.
 
I feel like people are focusing to much on the part about Hekarti when for me the real problem is they want a huge payout without actually contributing something major. If they were willing to put a lot of resources and political power behind the project it would be a maybe from me but the are offering one enchanter/theorist or an heir for first refusal on a lot of important waystones.
If we agree, they will contribute by actually constructing new Waystones. Heir/Priestess/Head/Enchanter/Theorist is just an advance payment. I don't really know how major this would be, but it's certainly not nothing.
 
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[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Secretly

[X][HOUSE] No

[X] Plan: Just the Heir
-[X] [SCOPE] Laurelorn (0)
-[X] [REP] Heir (-1)
-[X] [FORM] Shrines (+1)

[X] Plan Discretion Is The Watchword
-[X] [SCOPE] Empire, Bretonnia, and Kislev (+3)
-[X] [REP] Magical Theorist (-2)
-[X] [FORM] Discreet (-1)

Added plans:
[X] Plan Political Leverage
-[X] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
-[X] [REP] Heir (-1)
-[X] [FORM] Discreet (-1)
 
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Oh, I just realized something:
The man himself proves to be an older, wiry man with greying blond hair cropped short and a pattern of scars that resemble tree roots encircling his right forearm.
This is likely a ritualistic scar. From Codex's excellent post on the Hedgefolk:
Nordland: Reside in the Forest of Shadows and worship Haletha, they watch over the forest. Some hardliners from the province ritually brand/scar their apprentices as initiation.
So tree roots are a symbol of Halétha. I've long theorized that the symbol of the Father face of the coin symbolizes the two daughters, with the V standing for one and the chevron for another. I suspected that the chevron might be Halétha's symbol mostly because the V has a lot of possible meanings that fit The Lady, my current leading candidate for Halétha's sister, and the runner up Haleth also has what is arguably a V symbol. The kind of things chevrons stand for in symbols of Gods of the Empire are:
shapes like chevrons are used to represent mountains, roots, sunshine, rivers, and a yonic symbol.
So far I just figured it was a yonic symbol because Halétha has a connection to fertility, but a V could have the same meaning so that wasn't much. Now we know that roots are also a symbol of Halétha, so I think it's really quite likely that the chevron symbolizes Her.

This...kind of makes Haleth more likely, kind of? Because one problem I had with my ideas about the coin symbol is that if the chevron is just a fertility symbol then shouldn't it be the symbol of the fertility Goddess Haleth? Now that we know the chevron has a connection to Halétha that's unrelated to fertility I think it fits the Halétha/Haleth theory a bit better, but this really isn't a smoking gun or anything, this whole coin symbol business is pretty speculative anyway.
 
I've updated Characters of DL:
Aksel: Local Hedgewise of the Village of Huven around the eastern border of Nordland with Ostland, deep in the Forest of Shadows, representing the Nordlander Halethan Hedgewise. He is a contact of Kurtis Krammovitch's. He is an older, wiry man with greying blond hair cropped short and a pattern of scars that resemble tree roots encircling his right forearm. His cottage is dominated by a workbench with a variety of woodworking tools, indicating a profession as a carpenter. Aksel has demonstrated a fair amount of knowledge regarding the history and of the Hedgewise and the condition of his surrounding area, and seems to have inherited a degree of knowledge from his ancestors who were tasked to guard the Forest of Shadows by Sigmar himself. Alas, the Hedgewise have fallen since then, but they have recently been experiencing some good fortune, with a number of old families from Ostland joining their numbers due to the death of the Ostland Blessed, and Laurelorn's situation instigating greater respect to the forests from the populacce. Aksel was inordinately welcoming and friendly to Mathilde, likely as a result of the Father coin, all but confirming that Haletha is a daughter of Ranald's.
Councillor Isthien: Head of House Tindomiel and Councillor on the High Council of Laurelorn. He is an aged elf with a lined face sitting crosslegged on a platform consisting of a bed of pillows atop a floating cloud of Azyr, which he directs with small hand motions. Whether this is an affectation or necessity is unknown, as he might require it to move due to a disability. Isthien speaks in a carefully neutral tone and seems to desire to advance the influence of his house and Goddess by designing new Waystones in Hekarti's honor. Isthien's name is derived from the Eltharin rune for "Issth", indicating the Serpent of Light, Dextrousness and Trickery.
These are the new additions. Aksel is in "Empire" and Isthien is in "Laurelorn".
Galrith's name is derived from the Eltharin rune "Galri", indicating Destiny Entwined, Sorrow and Joy.
Added this to Galrith's profile in Laurelorn.
Walther Kupfer: Known for fomenting civil unrest in the Druchii city of Clar Karond from within the city's slave pits, resulting in house feuds that still blow up from time to time. Old and "retired". An offhand mention from Aksel, Hedgewise of Huven in Nordland, of the "Kupfers putting in a good word" indicates that Walther, or at least his family, are most likely of the Hedgefolk.
I also updated Walther's profile in the Rolodex. Update is in bold.
 
Oh, I just realized something:

This is likely a ritualistic scar. From Codex's excellent post on the Hedgefolk:

So tree roots are a symbol of Halétha. I've long theorized that the symbol of the Father face of the coin symbolizes the two daughters, with the V standing for one and the chevron for another. I suspected that the chevron might be Halétha's symbol mostly because the V has a lot of possible meanings that fit The Lady, my current leading candidate for Halétha's sister, and the runner up Haleth also has what is arguably a V symbol. The kind of things chevrons stand for in symbols of Gods of the Empire are:

So far I just figured it was a yonic symbol because Halétha has a connection to fertility, but a V could have the same meaning so that wasn't much. Now we know that roots are also a symbol of Halétha, so I think it's really quite likely that the chevron symbolizes Her.

This...kind of makes Haleth more likely, kind of? Because one problem I had with my ideas about the coin symbol is that if the chevron is just a fertility symbol then shouldn't it be the symbol of the fertility Goddess Haleth? Now that we know the chevron has a connection to Halétha that's unrelated to fertility I think it fits the Halétha/Haleth theory a bit better, but this really isn't a smoking gun or anything, this whole coin symbol business is pretty speculative anyway.
I'm the one who made that post and that still slipped by me. Kudos for finding it. I kind of forgot that some of them do that. I was wondering why the scar was mentioned as having a particular pattern, since that's not usually a thing with scarring unless it's deliberate.
 
I'm the one who made that post and that still slipped by me. Kudos for finding it. I kind of forgot that some of them do that. I was wondering why the scar was mentioned as having a particular pattern, since that's not usually a thing with scarring unless it's deliberate.
After missing the Everchosen thing I had to find something to assuage the guilt of missing something in the Hedgewise part of the update. I had one job...
 
Could you remind me what you think the huge payout is? Especially since they are willing to offer secular waystones.

I think that the payout that they would get is prestige for having build all the important waystones that protect the Einor. If you think that it is worth giving all this prestige to one house for what i consider a meager investment then that is fine i just don't see many argue that if we actually get this project rolling we would likely get a a much sweeter deal for the same payout
 
Well, either I totally underestimated the Hedgewise or Aksel is overestimating himself, but from the interesting Loredrops he gave us in this update it seems like I was wrong. Didn't expect them to have enough on Waystones/Nexuses to actually feel like they have a chance to restore them.

[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Secretly

I'm not sure how much publicity Halétha actually wants with her secret parentage and there being no books about her available , but if this was a no go for her followers the option wouldn't be there, so I'm also ok with it.

The House is a clear yes for me, a lot of magical knowledge for a relativly low price, and someone that is motivated to actually build (parts) of these Waystones when we figured out how to, and closer relations between Laurelorn and where ever they build them? Sign me up right now.
[X] [HOUSE] Yes

[X] Plan Discretion Is The Watchword
I like this one the best, gives them the option to score some brownie points with other nearby human polities while showing of the success of our endeavor, giving us a lot of magical knowledge for the actual project and having only a small risk of Waystones not being build because of religious objections.

[x] Plan how many people can actually read elf anyways?
 
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Woah okay lots of things there. First, Morath of Mourkain. I had no idea who he was until I searched for him and turns out he's a Time of Legends novel character. Second, Cormac Bloodaxe. Another character I wouldn't have known if it weren't for the wiki. He's a novel character and son of a Norscan King who charged into Sigmar's Empire in 9 IC to take revenge for his father's death. The thing is, I don't think he was ever mentioned as an Everchosen in the wiki, but Aksel says he is, which is weird. The first Everchosen is Morkar, killed by Sigmar. Then Vangel, who seals U'zhul in to the Slayer of Kings and is eventually killed by Gromril Goldfist:

If Cormac is Everchosen, then he would be the Third or something like that, and considering his invasion is in 9 IC, that makes the timeline for the Everchosen extremely tight. It would indicate that the first couple of Everchosen were thrown at the world one after the other in quick succession and all of them were dealt with in quick measure, barely enough to even take it all in. Maybe I should only take the timeline in the wiki as a suggestion rather than an absolute.

Thinking about it, it might be a similar thing to how Hochland claims that two of their Big Bads were Everchosen, true or not.

Cormac Bloodaxe might just be such a big deal in nordland folk history that they think he must have been an everchosen.

its not like most of them know anything about the trials or who did or didn't not pass them.

'Big ass norcan leading and army south to rack peoples shit'= Everchosien.
 
Oh, I just realized something:

This is likely a ritualistic scar. From Codex's excellent post on the Hedgefolk:

So tree roots are a symbol of Halétha. I've long theorized that the symbol of the Father face of the coin symbolizes the two daughters, with the V standing for one and the chevron for another. I suspected that the chevron might be Halétha's symbol mostly because the V has a lot of possible meanings that fit The Lady, my current leading candidate for Halétha's sister, and the runner up Haleth also has what is arguably a V symbol. The kind of things chevrons stand for in symbols of Gods of the Empire are:

So far I just figured it was a yonic symbol because Halétha has a connection to fertility, but a V could have the same meaning so that wasn't much. Now we know that roots are also a symbol of Halétha, so I think it's really quite likely that the chevron symbolizes Her.

This...kind of makes Haleth more likely, kind of? Because one problem I had with my ideas about the coin symbol is that if the chevron is just a fertility symbol then shouldn't it be the symbol of the fertility Goddess Haleth? Now that we know the chevron has a connection to Halétha that's unrelated to fertility I think it fits the Halétha/Haleth theory a bit better, but this really isn't a smoking gun or anything, this whole coin symbol business is pretty speculative anyway.

If you're looking for a fertility goddess, why not Dyrath? She's a minor deity from Reikland, she's the goddess of fertility and womanhood, and her cult is explicitly described as "secretive". What better represents the Goddess of Womanhood than a Yonic symbol?
 
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
[X][HOUSE] Yes
[x] Plan how many people can actually read elf anyways?
[X] Plan Subtlety is for losers, but only at home
[X] Plan Discretion Is The Watchword
[X] Plan: Local Security

Just gonna vote for everything I like better than Just The Heir for now. If stuff catches up I'll probably focus my vote more. xP
 
Well, either I totally underestimated the Hedgewise or Aksel is overestimating himself, but from the interesting Loredrops he gave us in this update it seems like I was wrong. Didn't expect them to have enough on Waystones/Nexuses to actually feel like they have a chance to restore them.
It is a known fact that Sigmar consulted the Hedgefolk when he was alive, and Mathilde mentions this before:
You gesture at yourself. "The Hedgefolk advised Sigmar when He was building the Empire."
Obviously this is the sort of thing that the Sigmarite church suppresses, and I believe it has been mentioned more often but I can't find the key words. Anyways, while the official histories tries to hide the fact, Sigmar did trust the Hedgefolk's advice, so it's plausible that he gave them a lookout over the Forest of Shadows. It's also possible that they were significantly stronger back then, without any restrictions imposed on them by anti-magic sentiment. That didn't exist before the Cult of Sigmar started throwing their weight around.

We can't know for certain how much he knows, but nothing he said sets off any alarm bells that contradict what we previously knew.

Also, in my investigations I came across this section from a while back:
"A few. Most of the big ones you'll probably never need. There's a big one a bit further south from your current playground, but it's going on twenty-five centuries without a whisper and thank Sigmar for that.
That's Regimand explaining the time capsules inside Mathilde's head. What I found amusing is that Regimand thanks Sigmar in there. I'm pretty sure he's mostly secular, but I found it funny considering his former apprentice's opinions.
 
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[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Secretly
[X] Plan: Just the Heir
[X][HOUSE] Yes
 
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@Boney Is it accurate to say that the Heir is less knowledgeable than the Priestess on Waystone-relevant stuff (though still well-educated), but has less religious baggage, more House connections, and room for growth?
 
If you're looking for a fertility goddess, why not Dyrath? She's a minor deity from Reikland, she's the goddess of fertility and womanhood, and her cult is explicitly described as "secretive". What better represents the Goddess of Womanhood than a Yonic symbol?
Well I'm not just looking for any fertility Goddess. Haleth is notable because, well, her name is Haleth. Fertility is a connection to Shallya but not a very strong one, being a fertility Goddess isn't in and of itself a reason to suspect a Goddess of being a daughter.
Obviously this is the sort of thing that the Sigmarite church suppresses, and I believe it has been mentioned more often but I can't find the key words.
In our introduction to the Hedgefolk (and to Kurtis):
But with power and respect comes enemies, as the Sigmarites resent any suggestion that their God had magical assistance
 
That's Regimand explaining the time capsules inside Mathilde's head. What I found amusing is that Regimand thanks Sigmar in there. I'm pretty sure he's mostly secular, but I found it funny considering his former apprentice's opinions.
Given that was almost certainly Nagash, I think it might have been a very literal "Thank Sigmar. Like, seriously, thank him, he did some good work there".
 
What if we're looking at the father symbol not quite in the right way? Ranald split his symbol, the cross, into two chevrons, one point up, one point down. But which is up and which is down? It's on a circle, you can just rotate it. What if it's two Yonic symbols, back to back, endlessly reflected, one for each daughter.

It's not a "V" and a "∧", it's two "∧", side by side.

>|<, which, when separated, become ∧|∧. Roots on one side, Womanhood on the other. Halétha of the Forest and Dyrath of the Hills.
 
Given that was almost certainly Nagash, I think it might have been a very literal "Thank Sigmar. Like, seriously, thank him, he did some good work there".
I somehow missed that. That makes it extra funny because of how literal it is.
Well I'm not just looking for any fertility Goddess. Haleth is notable because, well, her name is Haleth. Fertility is a connection to Shallya but not a very strong one, being a fertility Goddess isn't in and of itself a reason to suspect a Goddess of being a daughter.

In our introduction to the Hedgefolk (and to Kurtis):
Ah, turns out that I was using Sigmar and Hedge, or Sigmar and Advise, which didn't trigger that section because of the wording. It's starting to get harder and harder to quote this quest.
 
It is a known fact that Sigmar consulted the Hedgefolk when he was alive, and Mathilde mentions this before:
In my defense, the fact that they still believe that they still have enough the knowledge that they might be able to restore a Nexus after all these centuries of persecution and suppression is really impressive if we take him at face value. Especially since that is pretty theoretical knowledge with little practical application for them that could have easily been lost since they had to focus a lot on survival.
 
[x] [HOUSE] No
[x] [HEDGEWISE] Secretly
[] Shrines for Heir
- [] [SCOPE] Laurelorn (0)
- [] [REP] Heir (-1)
- [] [FORM] Shrines (+1)


Even this local shrines is a bad deal. Other Wards probably won't appreciate us offering this overreach of our authority at all.

Just say no.
 
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In my defense, the fact that they still believe that they still have enough the knowledge that they might be able to restore a Nexus after all these centuries of persecution and suppression is really impressive if we take him at face value. Especially since that is pretty theoretical knowledge with little practical application for them that could have easily been lost since they had to focus a lot on survival.
Oh, that's understandable. The reason for that is likely this:
It is of the utmost importance that Hedgefolk pass on their knowledge so that it doesn't die out, so every Hedge Master is required to have at least one apprentice. More traditional provinces like Nordland and Middenland make this a religious imperative.
It is a religous imperative for the Nordlander Hedgewise to pass on their knowledge. Same for Middenlanders.
 
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