There are a lot more poor schmucks than there are Mathildes some of them might squeak through, if not tough I care about her not going into suicidal situations more than I do about the army of Kislev.
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There are a lot more poor schmucks than there are Mathildes some of them might squeak through, if not tough I care about her not going into suicidal situations more than I do about the army of Kislev.
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A reminder that Mathilde is not invincible:
She almost died to Orcs who had her backed up against a wall. We have teleports now, but how much does that matter when we're delving into a magical forest full of spirits? The forest is our enemy. There is nowhere to hide or run that isn't outside the forest, and scouting it means we have to be in it.
Just because Mathilde's powerful doesn't mean she can just dash by all obstacles. There are so many disadvantages here that it would be utterly foolhardy to believe that Mathilde will be safe going into that death trap.
And in regards to Ranald:
We don't have Gambler. We have Night Prowler, and it is not going to work here. Even Mathilde's shadow magic isn't going to help much if this is who I think it is. Drycha has been using Ulgu for far longer than Mathilde's birth.
Just to hammer in the point Drycha has been using Ulgu long before Mathilde's ancestors came over the World's Edge mountains. She has probably personally forgotten more about the use of Ulgu than the most skilled Lord Magister in the Colleges has ever known.
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You know, I wonder how Boris will react to Mathilde. On the one hand, we did turn down his quite heartfelt offer to host the Project. On the other, we're here bringing news of a major threat to Kislev unasked and offering personal support at no cost.
On the other hand, they are not omnipotent. Their attention probably might be on other thing and it's probably much easier for a Mathilde to pass undetected than for anyone to monitor the entirety of the forest even forest spirits. Plus, we are far from Athen Loren, the degree of control over the forest by the warhost remains to be seen.
And even if we get caught, with the seed, our magical protections, our shadowsteed, etc. I still think our chances of making it out are pretty good.
About Night Prowler, of course I know it doesn't apply. But there is still the symbolism of wearing it to prowl in the night in search ofthe secrets of mankind's enemies. I wouldn't be surprised if Ranald ended up paying attention as he's done in the past.
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Something smells more fishy than an overdue trawler with faulty electronics.
And kislevites might not think anything about fighting (in) a forest with cavalry, but then cavalrymen are known to leave the hard thinking to their mounts
[x] Find the Boyar
[x] Bring in the Kreml Guard
And kislevites might not think anything about fighting (in) a forest with cavalry, but then cavalrymen are known to leave the hard thinking to their mounts
[x] Find the Boyar
[x] Bring in the Kreml Guard
They are not omnipotent, but they are a lot better than us, just as we would be better than them in a city. When part of the plan is literally pray for a miracle, which is what an unprompted Ranald Intervention would be, I think that is a good sign that we need a new plan.
[x] Investigate the missing leyline
As we've learned from Vlag - if theres big magic going nowhere you can see, there is big magic being used where you aren't looking.
The military situation is bad, but in this situation we probably want to find if anyone is doing something with the energy field larger than their head so we can jog their elbow while they're working.
Then duck.
As we've learned from Vlag - if theres big magic going nowhere you can see, there is big magic being used where you aren't looking.
The military situation is bad, but in this situation we probably want to find if anyone is doing something with the energy field larger than their head so we can jog their elbow while they're working.
Then duck.
It's kind of misrepresenting my point. I'm not saying we NEED Ranald to perform a miracle in order to succeed, I'm just saying it's possible we get some help from him as we had in the past in situations involving other gods (and we know the four are watching).
I know it's dangerous, but the payoff is probably the biggest out of all the options.
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I feel like scouting is very much a high risk/high reward situation right now.
Someone has taken great pains to ensure the only information Kislev had access to was under their complete control. Which, conversely, means that breaking that lockdown on intelligence is one of the most damaging things that can be done to them.
[X] Scout the Shirokij
[x] Investigate the missing leyline
Likewise, I also still support going for the Leyline, because it's another unique source of insight Mathilde is well qualified for. If it's nothing then ah well. If somethings sucking down the leyline like a tick bloated on Kislev's magic, though, that could be important.
A god interfering on his own is literally a miracle, that is what you call it when a god does something with no mortal intercession. No matter how many times it has happened we should never count on it because it has only ever happened reactively when when other usually more powerful gods did something (like the champion of Khorne). I do not think the wood elves have any godly allies here.
Why are we taking the max risk option though? I mean what do we stand to gain here that is worth the risk of death that comes with trying to sneak up on ulgu using fey in a forest?
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A chance to find any traps before those kill the army, just as we did in K8P.
Remember the troll trap? That one would've been disastrous if we hadn't found it.
Might also get the last dot for a skill there:
Scouting (2/3)
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Yes I do remember it, it killed a lot of people who were not Mathilde.
My question was more board, what do we stand to gain here, as in with this entire action that is worth the near suicidal risk?
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No, not "only ever happened", and not only with other gods either. Mathilde was nearly chomped by the snake when she was working on the mirrors for her box; only the "coincidental" interruption by a stray cat saved her there.
That said, I'm still opposed to scouting the woods.
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[x] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[x] Investigate the missing leyline
[x] Investigate the missing leyline
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I'm assuming you're talking about the Shyish swords nearly blasting Mathilde. The snake never actually threatened Mathilde. I distinctly remember Boney's frustration at the Snake being a joke of an antagonist due to rolling like shit all the time. Ranald's stray cat saving Mathilde's life was also the result of "Ranald's Blessing", an explicit bonus that we got from maintaining a shrine to him that was replaced by the Gambler coin. We do not have the coin set to Gambler.
I'm not ruling out Ranald's involvement, but I think people are expecting too much of him. Gods can't just back you up all the time.
I am pretty sure we had put the old shrine buff, like the coin but worse, on that action.
That was the result of Ranald's blessing, which we had on that action for pretty much that kind of save. That was not unprompted. And in this specific case, we do not have that blessing available because it's not working via coin instead of shrine, and the coin is set to Prowler.
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Apparently the description of the Scrying really matched with her. That said Drycha is so far outside of my Warhams wheelhouse that I personally couldn't confirm that one way or the other.
Small correction: Ranald's blessing also triggered on the snake. The first attempt at making the mirror box got smashed by a cat, and when Mathilde looked at the shards, she saw the rainbow reflection of the snake. I don't remember if that was the turn before or on the turn we actually caught it, but Ranald's blessing did thwart the snake once.
And of course, Randald's meta-blessing (meta-Ranald's blessing?) did nothing but thwart the snake. And then but it into a little box.
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I made several posts about it:
A Dryad shrouded in Ulgu full of wrath reciting a long list of evils and grudges resonates to a ridiculous degree with Drycha. Most Branchwraiths use Ghyran. Drycha is special in that she uses Ulgu, just like Durthu is special because he uses Ghur instead of Ghyran. Coeddil is also special because he uses a mix of Dark and Beast Magic. Most Branchwraiths and Treeman Ancients use Ghyran.
Ranald did send help.
He sent Mathilde
There is no mechanical or narrative reason to assume he'll weigh in any more than he already has, and we shouldn't act as if we're going to receive divine attention every time we do something dangerous.
Remember—both Abel and Kasmir expected Sigmar's help at Drakenhof, only to discover the "his light doesn't shine here". Ranald has our back, but he's not our backup.
I think it is worth keeping in mind what is at stake here and conversely what is not at stake:
- Ice Witch aid with the Project
- Keeping Kislev strong in the abstract
- Favor with Boris
- The lives of the forest dwelling people of the region
- Chaos Invasion, the fact that the Dark Gods are spectating does not mean they have a horse in the race, it just means this is in some way remarkable
- The actual stability of Kislev as a state, this is the farthest southern corner of that realm and a bunch of villages in the forest