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Maybe I'm touching on something that's been dismissed already, but I am unsure just why we're not bringing in experts: This is Wood Elf business, whether Dryads or more-nutso-than-usual-Elves, so why aren't we going back to our new Wood Elf friends and seeing if some big scandal shook down the branch, pun not intended.

Even on a more disconnected and isolated place would've heard/felt something about an outright expulsion of a warband, to say of the most elf-hating Branchwraith in the world found out of her prison again by dint of her body count.
We will likely have the option to do so after this, the current vote is mainly for how Mathilde sees things moving forward and her goals with her actions. I predict that next update we will have the option of approaching various parties, with Kislev or the Wood Elves being the main options.
Yep, that's absolutely correct:
Hmm… what exactly do obliging and opportune entail? Because it sounds less like Mathilde is getting directly involved with the Asrai, and more like she's going to be running around cleaning up all the small problems that are popping ip as a result of their presence.
A further vote after Mathilde explores her options.
And I completely agree, the most obvious thing to do for followup is "bring in Vicereine Cadaeth."

It's like they always say: the only way to stop a bad lady with a tree is a good morally ambiguous sexy lady with a tree.
 
It is far more likely that this is a Elf hating Dryad warhost and not Wood Elves. I'm sure even the most hidebound of individuals can tell the difference between spirit and Elf.
I mean, the point still stands. It looks really bad if we take a foreign force into Kislev to deal with another foreign force within its borders, especially when those foreign forces are tangentially related.
 
I just thought of a reason to think that the Hedgewise might not know much about Waystones. I don't know if it has already been brought up, but all the Colleges with special Waystone knowledge have said knowledge from their ancient precursor organizations. And the Grey College, with significant roots in the Hedgewise communities, knows abysmally little, especially when one considers that they are the intelligence apparatus among the Colleges. That's very strong evidence in favor of the Hedgewise also not knowing anything special, at least not across the board. Of course there could be one or two Hedgewise communities that know significantly more, but we would be guessing in the dark as we recruit any one given Hedgewise community.

The only saving grace is that the Grey College hasn't really kept much in the way of Hedgewise practices or culture alive at all. That gives hope that the original Hedgewise-derived recruits of Teclis were just a significant part of the first Grey Order congregation and not its entrenched founders like the Alchemists, Druids and Shamans were of their respective Teclisian Orders. Which would mean that the reformed Hedgewise were much more leery of spreading the teachings of their non-reformed brethren among their new colleagues while also not having found a way to consistently keep a secret in-group of Hedgewise alive within the confines of the Order, thus quickly losing most Hedgewise secrets after a couple generations.

Still, I now lean more and more towards only recruiting Hedgewise if we have evidence of the Father Coin working on them. A relatively loyal group of covert practitioners at very low cost is always useful. But paying through the nose for them when they are more and more likely not to know anything is not. And even Kurtis either doesn't know or isn't willing to share any hint of their potential expertise.
[X] Concluded
[X] Incomplete


Our job is to gather information, and we have some.
Either what we have is enough or it isn't.
Do we really want a reputation for going off-script?
Our job is to recruit for the Waystone Project. That's the only reason we're here in the first place. Opportunity will lead to both having more than barebones information as repayment for the Jades and towards inroads with another potential recruit.

And I seriously don't see an issue with having a reputation for going off script. We are a Lady Magister with a large personal project that involves international politics. Anyone asking us to travel for a favor and expecting us not to go off script is even more naive than people who thought Hexensohn only came to Sylvania out of the goodness of his heart.
I mean, the point still stands. It looks really bad if we take a foreign force into Kislev to deal with another foreign force within its borders, especially when those foreign forces are tangentially related.
Not if we do it with any form of official permission.
 
You know what? Okay. Lets tangle with Drycha i suppose.

[x] Opportune

I hope this doesn't like, put pressure from Athel Loren onto Laurelorn.
 
[ ] Incomplete
You cannot call your investigation complete when you do not know the composition or the objective of the force active in Kislev. Investigate further.

Incomplete seems like a good choice. We can get some bonus points with Kislev by telling them what's up (if they don't already know) and work with them to find out more details about the situation.
I can't imagine how they would go about investigating a dryad infestation without, well, going into a forest after dryads.

Which seems like a bad idea.
She rarely converses with others, even the Dryads who serve her as handmaidens, but instead chants a mantra of the names of all those fellow spirits whom she believes have been failed by the Elves.
  • She is capable of conjuring potent illusions, driving her victims mad by forcing them to face their greatest fears and doubts.
... I'm going to tentatively vote for Opportune because I'd love to see another duo-team up with Ljiljana to kick ass again.
This also isn't really selling me on 'fight the super-dryad', to be honest.
 
I just thought of a reason to think that the Hedgewise might not know much about Waystones. I don't know if it has already been brought up, but all the Colleges with special Waystone knowledge have said knowledge from their ancient precursor organizations. And the Grey College, with significant roots in the Hedgewise communities, knows abysmally little, especially when one considers that they are the intelligence apparatus among the Colleges. That's very strong evidence in favor of the Hedgewise also not knowing anything special, at least not across the board. Of course there could be one or two Hedgewise communities that know significantly more, but we would be guessing in the dark as we recruit any one given Hedgewise community.

The only saving grace is that the Grey College hasn't really kept much in the way of Hedgewise practices or culture alive at all. That gives hope that the original Hedgewise-derived recruits of Teclis were just a significant part of the first Grey Order congregation and not its entrenched founders like the Alchemists, Druids and Shamans were of their respective Teclisian Orders. Which would mean that the reformed Hedgewise were much more leery of spreading the teachings of their non-reformed brethren among their new colleagues while also not having found a way to consistently keep a secret in-group of Hedgewise alive within the confines of the Order, thus quickly losing most Hedgewise secrets after a couple generations.

Still, I now lean more and more towards only recruiting Hedgewise if we have evidence of the Father Coin working on them. A relatively loyal group of covert practitioners at very low cost is always useful. But paying through the nose for them when they are more and more likely not to know anything is not. And even Kurtis either doesn't know or isn't willing to share any hint of their potential expertise.
As I've mentioned a few times, when Mathilde is discussing the Waystone project and the possibility of bringing in Damsels and Ice Witches it is Algard who mentions the Hedgewise, and Kurtis - who is of the Hedgefolk and so should know a thing or two about them - doesn't seem to think that the idea is without merit and goes on to suggest two groups we might recruit.

As for evidence of the Father coin working on them...if all of the current evidence for Halétha wasn't enough for you, on this update we had Mathilde noting that the Hedgefolk hand signs she used were similar to Ranaldite symbols, and getting an oddly comfortable feel from their magic.
 
And I completely agree, the most obvious thing to do for followup is "bring in Vicereine Cadaeth."
I completely disagree if this actually is Drycha, I dont want the friendly maybe Dryad/elf anywhere near the nutcase.

if Drycha doesn't drop everything just to kill her on principle, the racist, its because Cadaeth is Dryad enough to mind-control her to turn her against our side. (we don't know enough about her to know if she is mystically swole enough to resist one of the strongest of her(?) kinds will.)
 
I completely disagree if this actually is Drycha, I dont want the friendly maybe Dryad/elf anywhere near the nutcase.

if Drycha doesn't drop everything just to kill her on principle, the racist, its because Cadaeth is Dryad enough to mind-control her to turn her against our side. (we don't know enough about her to know if she is mystically swole enough to resist one of the strongest of her(?) kinds will.)
I'm not proposing calling her in for material aid, I'm proposing calling her in for advice and intelligence. "Hey, there's this awful thing from Athel Loren, it's got these properties, can you tell me A) what the fuck it is B) what the fuck it might want C) what the fuck we should do about it?" I agree that we should not put our patroness into a cage match with Athel Loren, regardless of what exactly the thing from Athel Loren is, but for "I don't know what's going on about spooky tree shit and I really need to change that immediately so we can impress Kislev into sending us Waystone experts," is there a better option for intel gathering than Vicereine Cadaeth?
 
I'm not proposing calling her in for material aid, I'm proposing calling her in for advice and intelligence. "Hey, there's this awful thing from Athel Loren, it's got these properties, can you tell me A) what the fuck it is B) what the fuck it might want C) what the fuck we should do about it?" I agree that we should not put our patroness into a cage match with Athel Loren, regardless of what exactly the thing from Athel Loren is, but for "I don't know what's going on about spooky tree shit and I really need to change that immediately so we can impress Kislev into sending us Waystone experts," is there a better option for intel gathering than Vicereine Cadaeth?
Kaia is an option. Even discounting the possibility that Kaia is the same one who went adventuring with Scarloc all those years ago, the in text description says she's fought the products of corrupted forests for much of an Elven lifetime, so that's a good sign. I'd vote for both of them tbh.
 
Meh, forget reasonableness and logic, I just wanna see Grandma Lily, Cadeath, and Mathilde team up for triple magical badassery. :V
 
Liljiana was sent out to the Wastes because she was the oldest and lived a long life, so she was perfectly comfortable dying for the mission. I feel like for this issue, either they send out an Ice Witch who's closer to their prime, or they'd send out several, which I believe is more likely.
 
I am absolutely going to shill for Kaia if we end up going for Eonir help, but if we're going to do this to get favours from the Ice Witches - and a 57 vote lead is saying we are - we should probably ask them first? Go to the Ice Witches, tell them what's up, let them know we have elf friends that aren't tree Daemons. Could be that they are estatic that we have that kind of expertise on hand, could be that they hate the idea, but there's no reason to guess when we can just ask.
 
Is Athen Loren likely to be using champions of Chaos? If not, the Chaos Gods attention that we felt watching might be an indicator that whatever forces are in the Forest of Shadows, they might not be officialy sanctionned by Athen Loren?

We DO have this acorn that might be from Athen Loren, that might be our in to contact them on the pretext of giving it back to them. We'd probably need an intermediary, maybe that Carcassone Duke we met?

[X] Opportune
 
Is Athen Loren likely to be using champions of Chaos? If not, the Chaos Gods attention that we felt watching might be an indicator that whatever forces are in the Forest of Shadows, they might not be officialy sanctionned by Athen Loren?

We DO have this acorn that might be from Athen Loren, that might be our in to contact them on the pretext of giving it back to them. We'd probably need an intermediary, maybe that Carcassone Duke we met?

[X] Opportune
It was mentioned in the update that they might not have an actual stake in it, just watching.
 
It was mentioned in the update that they might not have an actual stake in it, just watching.

I mean, sure. But OOC, the four are probably watching the EverBowl right now, so the fact that they are noticably watching is pretty sus.

But even IC, the being in the woods being a Champion of Chaos is at the very least one of the options, perhaps the likeliest, even if there are other possibilities.

Liljiana was sent out to the Wastes because she was the oldest and lived a long life, so she was perfectly comfortable dying for the mission. I feel like for this issue, either they send out an Ice Witch who's closer to their prime, or they'd send out several, which I believe is more likely.

I mean, if Liljiana is still alive and well enough to perform I feel she'd be a good fit to fight a being of incredible power. A conflict with a being from Athen Loren is probably as dangerous as a trip to the wastes for the same reasoning that saw her sent with the expedition still applies here in my opinion. Plus, she's powerful, beloved by the gods and she already worked with Mathilde in the past. I just hope she's not dead.
 
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