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To give a slightly less glib version of my second post, imagine for a moment that Mathilde and Alric's positions were reversed. Do you guys think Roswita would be able to chase Mathilde out of the province, or would we just ignore her and continue operating in a less public manner? If the man cannot hide from Julia and her mid level intelligence apparatus I really question his capacity for subterfuge.
Roswita's intelligence apparatus is the Witch Hunters, the same ones who helped Abelhelm get us out of the Lahmian Conspiracy. Regardless, the Greys are the ones specced for stealth, not the Lights.
 
The last time Alric won a duel for Supreme Patriarch was against Paranoth 32 years ago. 24 years ago he gave up the instant he saw Dragomas turn into a Dragon. 16 years ago Dragomas won again. 8 years ago Dragomas won again. Roughly a year ago Dragomas won again. I also think a strong enough case could be made that Paranoth chose to give up his position 32 years ago by losing intentionally, because Algard and others still believe that Paranoth is fully capable of beating Dragomas but he chooses not to because he doesn't have the inclination.

Alric is strong, but he's not top dog anymore.
I mean, That's more evidence that Dragomas is just fucking strong, even as far as Supreme Patriarchs go. not really a depiction of how strong Alric is.

Everyone in that scene thought Paranoth can win, not that he would win, and by that token Alric's chances were not so bad either.

the only real glimpse into how strong he is was the fight: (Alric lower, Dragomas higher, midpoint 35)

he had a 35% chance to win, with the next highest chance being that scrappy, battle-hardened Jade battle wizard at 25%.

Dragomans is a monster, losing to him is not a sign of your level, that Alric didn't have a terrrble chance to still win is.
 
Roswita's intelligence apparatus is the Witch Hunters, the same ones who helped Abelhelm get us out of the Lahmian Conspiracy. Regardless, the Greys are the ones specced for stealth, not the Lights.

I'm pretty sure it's Julia, like explicitly, she gets paid money and everything. The Templars of Sigmar are not Roswita's co command chasing down College politics. In any case the mismatch is kind of my point though, we are a Grey, we have a super stealth artifact, thus linking up with the more public investigator who has been investigating for a while would throw away those advantages for dubious gain
 
@Jyn Ryvia with regards to your question on mono-wind environments in point 5 I don't think a monowind environment will overwhelm the waystone due to atleast two waystones being present in mono-wind environments I.e the Jade and Light colleges. Of course in both environments there are traces of the other Winds, but finding a pure mono-wind environment would be near impossible.
that's why its a question and not a testable Hypothesis.
 
OK so we are going against what we have seen of him being incompetent 2-3 time and the constant bitching of his former apprentice on the basis of the fact that he won the duel to be head of the Colleges... in the relatively distant past? Yeah I do not buy it.

He won three rounds of duels for Supreme Patriarch two of them after the Night of Thousand Duels so against a number of highly motivated LMs and College heads. That and he actually got made a LM in the first place which isn't a title that's handed out to whoever happens to be passing by.

Sure he's got a boatload of faults but if Alric didn't have some stuff he was seriously good at he wouldn't even remotely be in the running as Patriarch.
 
He won three rounds of duels for Supreme Patriarch two of them after the Night of Thousand Duels so against a number of highly motivated LMs and College heads. That and he actually got made a LM in the first place which isn't a title that's handed out to whoever happens to be passing by.

Sure he's got a boatload of faults but if Alric didn't have some stuff he was seriously good at he wouldn't even remotely be in the running as Patriarch.

Which all happened how many decades ago though? I am betting Mathilde was either in leading strings or not alive at the time. All things told I would rather trust the more recent intel on him.

I mean, That's more evidence that Dragomas is just fucking strong, even as far as Supreme Patriarchs go. not really a depiction of how strong Alric is.

Everyone in that scene thought Paranoth can win, not that he would win, and by that token Alric's chances were not so bad either.

the only real glimpse into how strong he is was the fight: (Alric lower, Dragomas higher, midpoint 35)

he had a 35% chance to win, with the next highest chance being that scrappy, battle-hardened Jade battle wizard at 25%.

Dragomans is a monster, losing to him is not a sign of your level, that Alric didn't have a terrrble chance to still win is.

The odds do not matter, the same way the odds of Thrgrim coming to our aid did not matter. Once that roll fell Thorgrim was the kind of dwarf who would write 'die well' for all sorts of understandable reasons, that is not my point. just that we should not base our assessments of people on OOC counter-factuals for things they did not roll. He was in fact beaten and not by the dragon transformation, not even by an amber spear, by the Cowering Beast a moderately complicated spell, journeyman magic.
 
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Which all happened how many decades ago though? I am betting Mathilde was either in leading strings or not alive at the time. All things told I would rather trust the more recent intel on him.

There's no indication that Alric mysteriously lost all his skills and experience though. He was a tad shaky on the duelling stage against the very strong Dragomas but despite being in the second decade of his second century Alric is still capable enough to duel and run around pissing off people.
 
I'm pretty sure it's Julia, like explicitly, she gets paid money and everything. The Templars of Sigmar are not Roswita's co command chasing down College politics. In any case the mismatch is kind of my point though, we are a Grey, we have a super stealth artifact, thus linking up with the more public investigator who has been investigating for a while would throw away those advantages for dubious gain

Her spymaster is a witch hunter, Julia works under him, and Abelhelm used them as a parallel intelligence that Mathilde had no idea about until the very end. I'm not committed to any actions for the next round, but I will argue against any points I think are factually unsupported.
You swallow a hundred bitter comments. If Kasmir's made peace with Sigmar having failed Abelhelm, that's his business. Instead, you move on to an equally bitter topic. "And my... former position?"

[Rolling... 14]

"The Witch Hunter that was travelling with her has taken the job. Abelhelm kept that lot on a leash, but I worry that they've got her on one."
And for the entire time I knew him, his contacts in the Witch Hunters were dismantling the conspiracy that had me entrapped."
 
A comment on the idea people have had of working with Alric on this (apologies if somebody already brought this up): Alric has come here looking for some kind of big political-relevant deed to catapult him back into the seat of power. But the real keyword there, from the perspective of his goals, is "political" rather than "deed." Having leverage on an Empress by holding her secrets would likely qualify as meeting his needs too. We emphatically do not want Alric to get to the heart of this investigation if we intend to keep Heidi/Mandred/Ranald's secret actually safe here.
 
A comment on the idea people have had of working with Alric on this (apologies if somebody already brought this up): Alric has come here looking for some kind of big political-relevant deed to catapult him back into the seat of power. But the real keyword there, from the perspective of his goals, is "political" rather than "deed." Having leverage on an Empress by holding her secrets would likely qualify as meeting his needs too. We emphatically do not want Alric to get to the heart of this investigation if we intend to keep Heidi/Mandred/Ranald's secret actually safe here.

We do not want anyone ever getting to that secret. I do not think there is anything he could do with it even if he were the purest of heard wizard in the world that would not be against Ranald's interests. If anything an Alric trying for blackmail would be better than one who just throw the information out there. At least in that case we could try to assassinate him.
 
We do not want anyone ever getting to that secret.
I mean, yes? The fewer people who know a secret, the more likely it is to remain one. But we're not discussing working with anyone, we're discussing working with a very select sub-group of people. Of whom Alric was one that was brought up. Hence, my responding to that idea specifically.
 
That is admittedly the one case of an actually competent person endorsing Alric, but it is rather stacked against a mountain of evidence that looks like a comedy of errors on his part ever since we met him.

Alaric: Here have the aid of my skilled and loyal apprentice Horstman
Horstman: *proceeds to tell us how much he hates Alric*
Mathilde: *steals Ergrim from under his master's nose while spending most of her time thousands of miles away*
Mira: I am going to take over the order from Alric
Alric: Aha, I shall regain the Supreme Patriarch position and I shall be secure from this treachery
Dragonas: *uses literal journeyman scale magic to embarrass him*
Alric : *manages to get kicked out of Stirland... Stirland where incompetence is the norm and competence is taken for greatness*
Is all that incompetence, or a streak of bad luck? :thonk:
 
Uh. What? I am genuinely unsure how my question provoked this response.

I wasn't having Mathilde making an argument from dwarven history, I was starting a sentence with a canonically agreed-upon fact between the two of them. "We both know this kind of dual enchanting was involved in making waystones, therefore, I'd like to experiment with the concept on a smaller scale so we can learn more and have more information for our research."

Thorek's already operating on the grounds that waystone enchantment is necessarily Ancestor-sanctioned. I just want to know if Mathilde thinks Thorek would be at all open to the above proposal, or if that would be too far a bridge to even bring up.

The only likely way to use that as an in is to figure out the mechanisms involved in the Waystones and draw a direct line between experiments today and Waystones tomorrow, then try to use successes there to argue for some more cautious branching out. You're going against millennia of Runesmith orthodoxy that say that Winds and Runes are fundamentally opposed, and trying to Trojan Horse in the entire field of Enchanting-Runesmithing collaborations with nothing more than a handwave towards a distant past is likely to get the door slammed in your face and nailed shut.

What kind of action would "try to look for the most radical known Karaz Ankor Runesmiths beyond apprentice level" be? Not for the explicit purpose of the aforementioned hybrid items, but because they might be useful to have as friends or even on the Waystone Project (though I don't think Thorek would be thrilled of having to work with some disrespectful Journeyman Runesmith).

There's no way to do that without severely endangering the tentative working relationship you've established with Thorek.

To the thread in general: seriously, if you've got Thorek "Gunpowder Is Dangerously Newfangled" Ironbrow even slightly on board you really shouldn't be rocking that boat out of impatience. Getting him to baby step his way to a kickflip is the dream scenario, and you'll absolutely obliterate any chance of that happening if you bring in Extremely Junior Journeyman Runesmith Okri Q Dickhead from Karak Nowhere, Age 35, with a skateboard in one hand and a bong in the other.

Is this an "I don't want to have to think about it" stop or a "don't give your QM ideas you don't want to have him use" stop?

The latter. If I make the former, I'll make it completely clear that's what's happening.

A daemon would by definition know many things, some of which would drive mortals mad from revelation, they also lie like they breathe.

Daemons always lie, except when the truth will hurt you more.

@Boney was Alberich from canon OTL the last Haupt-Anderssen EC that got sucked into the Warp?

A much younger version of him, yes.

@Boney Out of curiosity, did Regimand gain more informal clout from having his former Apprentice become a LM? Not sure if that sort of thing is less of a consideration in the Grey Order.

Yes.

On that note, what's the main factor holding back Regimand from a LM promotion, is it just his clear disinterest for higher stations? Cuz he does have impressive feats and long record.

Regimand is extremely competent and comfortable at his current level of responsibility and doesn't seek anything higher than that, and the Grey Order isn't stupid enough to turn an extremely good Magister into a sulky and uncooperative Lord Magister.
 
Getting him to baby step his way to a kickflip is the dream scenario, and you'll absolutely obliterate any chance of that happening if you bring in Extremely Junior Journeyman Runesmith Okri Q Dickhead from Karak Nowhere, Age 35, with a skateboard in one hand and a bong in the other.
Now I kind of want to see Extremely Junior Journeyman Runesmith Okri Q Dickhead from Karak Nowhere, Age 35, with a skateboard in one hand and a bong in the other, in the story. He sounds like a radical d00d.
 
Just saying but if we want Radical Runesmiths then Karak Dum is probably the place we should look at
Did you mean Vlag? If so, no:
No. They only know the rote actions to achieve specific objectives, they don't have the foundational knowledge to start experimenting.
Karag Vlag has lost their knowledge as part of their "give everyone the basics" initiative. We are not getting radical runesmiths from them. We aren't getting runesmiths from them, period. Whether the Runesmiths Guild ever re-initiates them into those secrets and builds up a new tradition of real runesmiths among them, not just rune-pokers, is still an open question: the cult of Thungni might decide that Vlag doesn't get access to those secrets anymore.

If you meant Dum... well, uh, "go back to Dum in order to recruit Runesmiths for the Waystone Project" is certainly a thing we could try to do. I'm not convinced it's a better use of our time than the irons we've already got in the fire, or for that matter than poking ourselves in the eye with a stick.
 
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