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[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
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[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
 
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
 
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Magic Killer Amulet.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
 
[X] Plan: Once in a Lifetime v. 2
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Magic Killer Amulet.
[X] Plan: Runelord's gift

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about "current" Cothique Politics
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
 
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

Look I want my giant probably world largest single Adamant thing smashy killy moving statue of awesome.
 
@soulcake Odd question, will the Specialty upgrades hit before we make ze item?

Because I think Productivity Savant would probably apply for MORE ACTIONS.
 
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[x] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[x] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
[x] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Magic Killer Amulet.
 
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan: Once in a Lifetime v. 2
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Magic Killer Amulet.

E: Wow Ulse immediately hit like. Are you just refreshing the page constantly?
 
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[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
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[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
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[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
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[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Magic Killer Amulet.
 
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For the reference of my plan, copied from my post on page 1810, which is basically lost to the depths of time at this point lol.

The Runes I had in mind for this were to use the Banner Master Rune of Grungni, the Rune of Lighting, and the Rune of Fury. The purpose of these runes is to create a combo that channels the furious power and damaging energy of a thunderstorm and to tap into the storm imagery seen in some of Snorri's visions.

We need to start with a general storm concept. The only runes we have that have something to do with wind are Grungni's runes, the Master Rune of Currents (and that only tangentially), and the Master Rune of Blizzards, and the only general storm runes we have are Grungni's runes which is notable on Stormwrath. The Master Rune thus forms the basis for the combo. We don't have any upgrade materials for it, but that's fine since its a Master Rune and already very powerful in its own right, and in the case of the other two runes their ingredients are meant to add conceptual notes and raise them up to fit with the ambition of this project.

For the Rune of Lightning I've chosen to use Kholek's Brain for a couple of reasons. Kholek was a lightning using, magic using entity who directed his powers with his thoughts and will, and his mind witnessed the dark pact of immortality between the Dragon Ogres and the Chaos Gods. Because of this pact they sleep through the ages until lightning fills their brains and bodies and awakens them, filling them with furious energy and vigor.

Because he is a lightning using entity I don't think its going to break the rune, because the elements in question align and regular runes normally have reagents below our level of abstraction and aren't as finicky as Master Runes. I'm hoping that since Dragon Ogre's brains and minds are empowered by lightning they draw in, if we use it in this rune like this it might give us the ability to be empowered by lightning as well which would let Snorri draw power from the Throng-Storm of Kraka Drakk. Or perhaps something to simply direct and coordinate the absurd amount of power going into this, since the Banner-Cloak is being forged with Barak Azamar and Zharrgal as tools.

As for the Rune of Fury I want to use the Sky King's Feather. The reason for this actually circles around to the Master Rune of Grimnir which I'd bet my left shoe has the Rune of Fury as one of its components and the Master Rune of Grimnir takes tier 2 Griffon Feathers as its ingredient. With the Sky King being such a powerful griffon that should improve the Rune of Fury, and because he is also a magical griffon who rules over storm and thunder I hope to use his Feather to tie the Rune of Fury to his furious storm themes.

The idea is for using the ingredients is Coordination and Power, all tying together to create a Primordial World Set with Barak Azamar and Zharrgal.
 
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[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
 
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
 
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
 
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
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[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
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[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
 
It is potentially dangerous and wasteful to use an unresearched reagent. The one time we changed reagents, which was Gromril to Adamant, we had already researched what Adamant was (and developed it after a lot of testing). The leading plan is using Kholek's brain because we HOPE with narrative guesses rather than researched actions it will have beneficial affects with no major downsides (which we do not know if it would have a major negative effect that could be mitigated). Not an act I would vote for Snorri who, was told before that using an unresearched reagent would be foolish.

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Magic Killer Amulet.
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
 
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[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
 
@BungieONI - while I'm thinking about it, have you put any thought in using the brain on the MGrimnir rune instead? Reagents isn't something I really keep track of (seems to be slightly over my capacity of quest mechanic complexity) so I'm open to being wrong. The reason I bring this up is because in my redive of the quest I just finished up the THIS FAR bit and rereading Grimnir's words to us. Not the die for something better bit, the part where he tells us to remember the feeling of pushing beyond the limits of a broken body on will alone.

This got me to thinking about what part of the body seats the will, which is obviously the brain. And how Grimnir's rune makes the wielder fight as if they posess the will of the Ancestor himself. And how our defenses and weapons played a role in ending Kholek and thereby Grimnir decided that we're maybe not that bad for a bunch of beardlings.

That still doesnt really change my point. Even if Youre the one doing the chiselling youre still asking Yorri for his Runes without a proper trade. Like bake it how you want but to me that interpretation is that youd still be using Yorri solely for his knowhow. Further Its OOC for both of them regardless. Snorri is too proud and Yorri sent Snorri off as a Journeyman after traching him for only a bare fraction of the amount of time than is the average.

He'd tell you to use your own Runes or offer him something worth the knowhow he has(if hes even willing to offer it right now).
Actually, could we please do a rune exchange with Yorri? I think he'd be genuinely surprised by some of the stuff Snorri's been able to figure out.
 
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
 
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