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Cons: He banned your book. Hmmph.
Pros: He banned your book. +Money!
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Cons: He banned your book. Hmmph.
Pros: He banned your book. +Money!
I mean, I find the guy fun and I interesting to talk to.
but the dude literally doesn't consider humans people unless they are very elfy (wizard lords) or powerful enough.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
I guess I missed that bit?
Near as I can tell he seems able to get along with humans well enough, even though he finds them too short lived to get enough done (like a lot of elves/dwarfs) and generally primative, but is less patronising about it due to living amongst em for so long and is has found them capable of surprising him and being interesting (for example Anton).
The reason he likes the colleges so much is that he considers them a tweek to the nose of Finbur and also they can speak Eltharyn more than anything.
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- Chicago
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- She/They
Just gonna point out that we've got almost nothing to judge what a "usual" elf is like, and so going with a blanket 'they are all arrogant pricks' is really not giving them the benefit of the doubt.
@Codex , I loved your read of the king and his general, and I am here for that headcannon.
Although if I remember correctly, only the Grey collage made Eltharin mandatory, and that's only because several of their ciphers and codes use it as a base. I'm not sure if any of the ducklings speak it themselves.
I could be wrong on that, though.
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- Utrecht
Surprise, the Dragon Prince of Caledor has a Caledorian Level of Arrogance.
I do feel the need to point out the quote that people use to say that Finubar Respects humans actally says that he slightly fears them and their growth.
... fear is a kind of respect?
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
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Asarnil is an Elf, a Caledorian Elf, a Dragon Prince, a Deathfang-riding Dragon Prince, has a myriad history of significant accomplishments, and there's a chip on his shoulder over his exile. It's a wonder his arrogance isn't a physical force.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Maybe it's what powers his amulet?
Because Kragg would claim copyright.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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- Neverland
[X] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven (300 gc), Waystones and Henges: Esoteric Imperial (150 gc and 4 CF)
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More Books is always a good thing!
To be fair given that humans are by far more vulnerable to Chaos than any other major order power he likely has reason to fear them. Not to mention that it was a human, Nagash who invented a whole new sort of world ending threat in necromancy.
An egotistical object meeting a disappointed force.
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- Russia
Kragg isn't really arrogant, though. He holds everyone and everything to a very high standard (and most of the time most of the things come short), but he holds himself to that standard too and also comes short sometimes.
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- Chicago
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- She/They
...Can you explain how that is actually different and not just a rephrasing of 'but we like Kragg!'
Because it seems to read an awful lot like being terminally arrogant and just acting out the resulting scorn differently. I'd point to how he treats the other runelord as my main evidence.
Oh he is definitely arrogant, it comes with thinking he is the best of the best and possessed of lore too precious to pass on because no one else is worthy of it. The thing is he is also self-loathing, because he is convinced that even his towering skills are no match for the glories of the past.
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- Finland
Kragg disapproves, of everything, including himself.
Asarnil most certainly does not disapprove of himself.
Asarnil has an incredibly high opinion of himself, and not that high opinion of most others.
But i like him anyway, largely because he backs up his high opinion of himself by being that good.
Kragg is so arrogant that he has judged every other runesmith, from apprentice to Runelord unworthy of his knowledge.
Kragg is so arrogant that he would not even dignify Mathy with speaking with her and instead forced a master runesmith to be a mouthpiece when they first meet.
Kragg is so arrogant that he still refuses to admit that AV is useful even at the expense of it being able to smash Master runes as if he was doing a drum solo. Just because it would be admitting he was wrong.
l love grumpy Grampa, but I'm not blind to his Falults
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Kragg still believes he is the best in a fallen world, he is plenty arrogant. I would argue that the culture of the Guild of Runesmiths breeds arrogance since it presupposes that a master runesmith will actually know if someone is worthy of them or not just by looking at them and that it is always the right course of action for them to withhold their lore unless it is proven otherwise. It is this combination of garment rending self-effacement before the past/the Ancestors and disregard towards the future/ their descendants.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Kragg is arrogant, but it's more of a 'you must prove you're worth my time before I'll deal with you' arrogance than a 'look how much better I am than you, mongrel' arrogance. It's generally easier to deal with the former than the latter, because it's far less in your face and obnoxious. It helps that Mathilde actually has proven she's worth Kragg's time too, so we don't actually see much of Kragg's arrogant side aimed at us anymore and so it's easier to overlook (as opposed to the start of the expedition, where he did things like drop off our belt and not even bother to explain it).
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Which is a silly thing to hate a Dwarf over, oaths are oaths are oaths, after all, and he is sworn not to reveal such secrets. You just gotta accept that to Dwarfs, it's better to be hated over a misunderstanding than to violate an oath in the process of clearing up said misunderstanding.
The truly arrogant think themselves the best thing ever. Kragg thinks himself a sad excuse for a runesmith compared to those of yore.
Or in other words, Kragg comes off as too sad and depressed at his core for the thread to think of him as super-arrogant.
What if Kragg had, like, really really bad impostor syndrome?
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Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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It isn't arrogance so much as the logical conclusion of terminal perfectionism. One doesn't necessarily have to be arrogant to look at the work of oneself or others and find it falling short of the level needed, a perfectionist simply sets that bar beyond anyone's reach.
Which I think is also the foundation for the greater popularity of dwarves compared to elves on SV, because while both peoples talk down to humans a lot, in the case of the dwarves it is in most cases out of a borderline pathological perfectionist streak, one they apply to themselves just as harshly more often than not.
One does not preclude the other. You know how a lot of religions have the concept of original sin, of living in a fallen world? Kragg is like that he thinks all the world is fallen and he still thinks he is the best at what he does and is beyond questioning by anyone alive.