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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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The vote tally seems to be collating separate Task votes. Something it's explicitly not supposed to do. If I sort by "None" I see vote blocks containing the following:

[] [DWARF] No purchase.
[] [DWARF] No purchase.
[] [DWARF] No purchase.

Which IIRC isn't supposed to happen; the different Task names are supposed to force the different "No purchase." votes to be separate.

[X] [PURCHASE] A fancy sun hat for Pan
 
DragonParadox said:
Well for one thing it only fights one particular sort of elf, also it is kind of messing with the Oak of Ages and making the world markedly more chaotic in the process. If it is a dwarf weapon it is the worst one they have ever made.
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Because the Dwarfs have never done anything stupid and short sighted in their desire for revenge before.

Like I don't buy the Morghur being an abandoned dwarf god theory but the dwarfs making things worse for the sake of getting any kind of revenge isn't exactly what you would call off brand, you know?
 
Voikirium said:
Because the Dwarfs have never done anything stupid and short sighted in their desire for revenge before.

Like I don't buy the Morghur being an abandoned dwarf god theory but the dwarfs making things worse for the sake of getting any kind of revenge isn't exactly what you would call off brand, you know?
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Even so when dwarfs are being assholes they are generally competent about it, this feels too well... chaotic.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Geography: Extensive Imperial (100gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven (350 gc)
 
Voikirium said:
Because the Dwarfs have never done anything stupid and short sighted in their desire for revenge before.

Like I don't buy the Morghur being an abandoned dwarf god theory but the dwarfs making things worse for the sake of getting any kind of revenge isn't exactly what you would call off brand, you know?
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Making a daemon-Beastman to do it is.
 
Codex said:
Just want to mention that Dwarfs never write their secrets in books. It's only through instruction and word of mouth that they pass on secrets, and we already got a few of those from Dwarfs who trust us, even if they aren't exactly guild secrets.

If we swear certain oaths we can even start pulling out super deep soul lore secrets from Gunnars but people don't want to swear those oaths.
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They probably wouldn't thank us if we start writing the secrets in publicly available books, even if they're not formal guild secrets.
 
Omegahugger said:
The moon is made out of warpstone, so there's a solution to that problem.

Now, you might think that detonating a moonsized object close to a planet is the kind of dumb decision that makes sure that no one gets to make a dumb decision ever again, but there's a reason why we build the spacecraft first.
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QTesseract said:
You're not thinking big enough, Omegahugger. If we detonate just part of the moon at a time, we don't have a problem, we have an engine. The second biggest potential engine in the solar system, no less, so it should be a decent proof of concept for making use of the sun :V.
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Somewhere, Ikit Claw looks up, eyes narrowing, as he is beset by the strange feeling that someone is trying to steal-copy his brilliant designs.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Geography: Extensive Imperial (100gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven (350 gc)

[X] [DWARF] No purchase.

[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.

[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
 
I think my greatest question about the hypothesis of the Dwarfs having a prior pantheon is how that meshes with the Old Ones, who already fill the role of creators of the Dwarfs and the pantheon that was destroyed by chaos. I think it more likely that they would have been worshipped first if anyone was and I don't see room for a new pantheon rising and falling between the Old Ones falling and Ancestors rising.
 
SurpriseMe said:
I think my greatest question about the hypothesis of the Dwarfs having a prior pantheon is how that meshes with the Old Ones, who already fill the role of creators of the Dwarfs and the pantheon that was destroyed by chaos. I think it more likely that they would have been worshipped first if anyone was and I don't see room for a new pantheon rising and falling between the Old Ones falling and Ancestors rising.
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For what it's worth, it's also unclear if there even were gods before the Polar Gates collapsed.

At least, gods as they are now.
 
SurpriseMe said:
I think my greatest question about the hypothesis of the Dwarfs having a prior pantheon is how that meshes with the Old Ones, who already fill the role of creators of the Dwarfs and the pantheon that was destroyed by chaos. I think it more likely that they would have been worshipped first if anyone was and I don't see room for a new pantheon rising and falling between the Old Ones falling and Ancestors rising.
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It should be noted that the Old Ones didn't just create the races in the Warhammer World from nothing. They altered pre-existing ones into what they needed.

It also bears mentioning that the Dwarfs may have worshipped the Old Ones as gods but that doesn't preclude that this created gods based off the Old Ones (who were then abandoned/rebelled against by the Ancestors/destroyed by Chaos), because the exact nature of how gods and worship work in WF has never really been clearly defined.
 
Well, per Deathfang, gods are a phenomenon of having a population of intellegent sapients that could and did worship things while those things being worshiped being were shielded from the warp so they could grow. Like, IDK, a greenhouse. So when the polar gates shattered and the 'real' gods/warp entities showed up, they were self-contained and strong enough to fight or run.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
It should be noted that the Old Ones didn't just create the races in the Warhammer World from nothing. They altered pre-existing ones into what they needed.
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My general impression has been that that was something on the level of "here's DNA from a few mammals, stick it in a blender and see what pops out" than "take these humans and make them psychic", so-to-speak.

Like, that there was nothing we could remotely recognize as the races of Warhammer on the planet before the Old Ones made them.
 
The pre-old ones races we know about are dragon-ogres, fimrir, and some kinda giant seacrab, right?
 
So, four intellegent apex predator species on a single world. One with six limbs, two humanoid, and a crab. Dragons are non-native but also not engineered- we've got them and the old ones in that category.

Yeah, not even going to attempt to sort out likely variants and subspecies there. Sounds like pretty much all the engineering was done on sky titan or fimrir base material though, just from the body plan.


....trolls? They weren't engineered, right?
 
Mopman43 said:
My general impression has been that that was something on the level of "here's DNA from a few mammals, stick it in a blender and see what pops out" than "take these humans and make them psychic", so-to-speak.

Like, that there was nothing we could remotely recognize as the races of Warhammer on the planet before the Old Ones made them.
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I'd place it at a level between the two. Evolution sped-up (with engineering thrown in) rather than creation from scratch.
 
Rafin said:
So it won't be a Social option in the future?
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Not with the current status quo. Cython would need to broach the topic.

Fayhem said:
Oh, derp. That makes sense. Is it confirmed whether we can get magical topics from Kislev if/when (considering we took the polyglot trait, "when" is probably the most realistic) we learn to read Kislevarin, though?
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Potentially, but not easily since the Fire Spire fell. The still-existing Kislevite magical traditions aren't big on publishing.

BeepSmile said:
BoneyM, If it isn't built into the action already would it be possible when trying to reach out for Bretonnian and Kislevite assistance, for to Mathilde to try and diplomatically offer to pay for copies of some of their refrence materials on Waystones to be made? Kept under the supervision of the researchers from those nations, if need be.

Or later after we recruit these people, ask them directly if they think that copies of some books from their homeland might be allowed and helpful?

(It occours to me that I might be asking about something below our level of abstraction, in which case nevermind :) )
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"Please share, in exhaustive detail, some of your most potent, religiously significant, and militarily applicable secrets with a sometimes-rival nation in a form that can be trivially and perfectly duplicated" is perhaps something Mathilde should read the room before asking for, instead of committing to try to pry it out of everyone she meets.
 
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