Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Dropping Waystones, because it's no longer the only thing holding off Loremaster-At-Large. Might add it back later.

[x] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Spymaster of Wissenland
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Research Sabbatical
 
Tactical vote adjustment. I lost my past voting post so new one.

I prefer loremaster, but if that isn't going to win Waystones it is, for me. Markgraf is fine but... not really my preference.

[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
Just for future reference, you can find it by searching for "[x]" and limiting it to this thread/your name, like so: Search results for query: [x]. It automatically sorts by date, so the one at the top is it.

Edit:Gah, apostrophe in url broke the BBCode >.<
 
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Define "finish." Because a lot of people in this thread have invented goals for Waystones, like "learn to make new ones" or "repair all the ones in Sylvania" or so on. But those are invented goals. The explicit goal of the project is this one:
The Eonir want to bring some waystones that are currently offline back online, like what we did (accidentally) in Karak Eight Peaks.
That actually makes Waystones a bit more palatable to me actually. I'm still unlikely to vote for it though. Sorry.


Before I say anything else, I'm going to say, don't worry about responding to me - again the vote will be open for probably a few days at least, and you've already mentioned it being late/early where you are, go get some sleep. Silly internet arguments are not worth exhaustion.
Yes this is my last post and then I sleep. I'd just forget to reply to this tomorrow otherwise since I already read it.

I'm... so is the Markgraf? Like, Roswita explicitly brings up the notion of reporting to her grandchildren.
Yes but like a later post of mine says, we could hand it off. And the same is agreed with in your quote directly after this.

Regardless this whole thing is a misunderstanding that pickle clarified. I thought the official goal of Waystones was to learn to create or repair them, not simply bring them online/tap into existing ones. That takes away my concern of it being a never-ending quest.

It does however not address the fact that off the 4 options on the running its tied with Loremaster for what I want least (although I am no longer in the anything but Waystones crowd. If anything I might be in the anything but Loremaster crowd now).

@picklepikkl I am now actually mildly tempted by Waystones now...Fuck. That's how my vote for Markgraf started. If I wake up tomorrow and vote Waystones I'm blaming you.
 
Just as a sidenote, this is effectively an argument to never do Waystones, because there will always be other stuff to do first.
Honestly I am 100% fine with that. We can enjoy the world without always having to "fix" it. There are an almost infinite amount of things I'd rather spend AP on then Waystones and the idea of dedicating decades to it annoys me.
 
I mean, that's my argument with loremaster, just not so much backtracking as standing still.

And I got my head bit off for saying it.
As one of the people who did the biting: what I objected to was not "I feel like this is standing still or backtracking." That's totally legit and a valid opinion to have. But you phrased it, not as Mathilde standing still/backtracking, but as the thread being afraid of change:
People are choosing Loremaster, not Markgraf, because it's familiar, comfortable, avoids politics that effect Mathy and can avoid jobs we dont want 'to break poor Mathy' etc.

its incredibly frustrating to me when there is a list of far more focused and plot-driven jobs just to keep the one that has no over-arching plot, just a list of half thought up small adventures. just so we can circle the safely drain.

even Waystone, the other stay in 'K8Ps' (mostly) option at least has an actual plot to it. a quest goal.

Loremaster(both), are literally, 'lets just hang around and wait for Boeny to come up with something we can do here, instead of grabbing the great plot points over there.)

there is no plot, just little adventures to hold while boney thinks up something.

(and then get sad when that 'thing to do' is a dwarf civil war,.)

I legitimately might quit the thread for awhile if Loremaster wins: just so I can let the frustration I've been having with the threads fear of leaving the mountains (e.g plot safely.) fade a bit.
I'm not talking about fear.

I'm talking about Comfort.

Fear implies there is an active danger that the quest is trying to counter. (that's good.)

Comfort is about the thread trying to avoid fear at the expense of other things.

Is it uncharitable? maybe. but I actually think its the case a lot of the time. (hell. you have after all argued that 'I dont want to leave the towers' as one of your main reason.)

so sorry, Its not my style to pull the punch on what I think: and I think Loremaster is just the Confort option.
It's fine to have distaste for a certain option. It is fine to express that distaste. It is rude to say "I dislike this popular option, and I am going to tell you why I think the people voting for it are failing themselves and the thread."
 
...not that I'm going to object to you supporting my two favorite options, but, um. Didn't you say yesterday that you were checking out of the thread for your own peace of mind and that someone should DM you when it was all over?

If you can't tear yourself away, I sympathize, I really do. I'm prone to that sort of thing myself. Just, you know, take care of yourself if you find that this is really getting to you.
Oh I did for about 12 hours. It was long enough to calm down. I've been around all day. I can and have asked for bans from threads if I really need it. Nowhere near that bad here. Even my least favorite option is still acceptable, really. My real problem is the longer I argue the most cemented I get in my position, including starting to dislike things I was initially ambivalent towards. So I just need to avoid getting into any long fights.

...also the option I really didn't want seems stuck in 4th so it's easier.
 
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My biggest problem with Sylvania is that, to me, it feels like backtracking. We've done the Stirland and Sylvania stuff, and turning back around to go back there just feels wrong instead of moving on. Not exactly a logical position, since it is something new, but there is it. Waystones and Bodyguard both feel fresh and new to me.
I don't personally think it's backtracking, we've barely touched Sylvania itself. The Haunted HIlls, Drakenholf, and Alakazam's College of Necromancy are not all of Sylvania. Most of what we did as Spymaster was rooting out traitors and spies. As Markgraf we're going to be connecting to a whole new culture and, knowing the thread, be investigating old Sylvanian gods. I think it's ripe for new experiences.
 
My biggest problem with Sylvania is that, to me, it feels like backtracking. We've done the Stirland and Sylvania stuff, and turning back around to go back there just feels wrong instead of moving on. Not exactly a logical position, since it is something new, but there is it. Waystones and Bodyguard both feel fresh and new to me.
Yes its in a way going back, which means characters people already know and like and picking up certain lose ends.
The idea that Mathilde should only ever go to new places and essentially abandon certain old ties is an odd one to me.
Can we not go back to Karak Eight peaks if we're offered something after this?
If we take the waystones and complete it is Laurelorn somewhere we can't take a job again?

The fact that we've done all those things is what makes me want to go.

Also yeah we barely spent any time in Sylvania.
 
I read the- official, titled- position completely differently, it's more insulting to offer a Lord Magister than the Swamp Town formality.
Karl Franz childhood adviser and tutor was Thyrus Gormann, he went on to be one of the most influential SP in Warhammer canon.

Toyotomi Hideyoshi was Oda Nobunaga sandal-bearer

the most coveted role in a medieval court was the kings asswiper (literally)

I don't really want the job, but don't underestimate the power of roles that put you next to a future emperor on a regular bases.
 
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For those mentioning that Sylvania is likely to eat up all our free time, I'd like to point out that most of the rulers we've dealt with do, definitely, have extra actions. Abelhelm was trying to turn Stirland into a functional state and still managed to find time to root out the Lahmian conspiracy. Roswita is still dedicating some time to ruling Stirland alongside Sylvania, and so obviously has more energy than just one would take. Belegar spends a fair amount of time picking up our slack on the legal side of being a Loremaster. Plus, you know, delegation is a thing.
 
You guys all do know there are Waystones in Sylvania right?

Since we're our own boss in charge of the project we can easily do a detour trashing any vampire outbreaks making things a little easier while we're in the area checking out the Waystones plus digging up information from the locals as Waystones would be hidden or lost in stories, rumors.
Also its not like we would ignore any monsters or cults in the area as the locals would offer information or help with the Waystones if we can complete their missions or jobs by investigating or killing anything dangerous or weird.

Waystones still give us the freedom to do whatever we want as long our job is getting the information about Waystones from the locals of the area and end any threats that could interfere with our goals or the Waystones.
 
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What "after this"? This is very nearly a Forever War against vampires and necromancers. We will in all likelihood spend the rest of our life doing this. This is Iraq circa 2004. There is no "after this".

As someone who's no longer voting for it: Its only a Forever War if we make it one. We can pass it on to someone else if we want. There's absolutely an 'after this' to every single one of these options if we want there to be.
 
What "after this"? This is very nearly a Forever War against vampires and necromancers. We will in all likelihood spend the rest of our life doing this. This is Iraq circa 2004. There is no "after this".
On a meta level, I think we can be extremely confident that Boney will not lock us into any of these choices forever. If 5 years down the line we've cleaned things up a bit, we'll be able to go to Rosie and say "hey, the tricky part of the job's over, you might want to keep someone appointed to maintain this state of affairs though" and move on with our lives.

We might choose not to - I personally would hope we'd move on, but I daresay there'll be a vote.
 
What "after this"? This is very nearly a Forever War against vampires and necromancers. We will in all likelihood spend the rest of our life doing this. This is Iraq circa 2004. There is no "after this".
Yes you've repeatedly asserted your one single vision of the choice we have been given complete freedom in, I get it
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
 
i just cant help but wonder why so many people want Makgraf when it is one of the only things we could realistically hand off to someone else and have it end fine. I mean out of all the other choices that we are the only options for or the person who has the most knowledge and expertise on the subject Vampire hunting doesnt exactly feel like something only we can handle and deal with especially since so many other wizards have been in the area for longer than us and probably much more qualified than us.
 
i just cant help but wonder why so many people want Makgraf when it is one of the only things we could realistically hand off to someone else and have it end fine. I mean out of all the other choices that we are the only options for or the person who has the most knowledge and expertise on the subject Vampire hunting doesnt exactly feel like something only we can handle and deal with especially since so many other wizards have been in the area for longer than us and probably much more qualified than us.
Personal taste? I'm voting for it because I think it sounds fun.

Spymaster of Wissenland is the job we're most uniquely qualified for on the list and it's got more than 100 votes less than the next highest up.
 
Bah, I say, leaving sensible Dawi society for a bunch of superstitious peasants who would have executed Weber when she was young. Far better to do something sensible, like renewing the Dawi power grid, or stabbing some Elgi, or making the umgi of the border princes finally something approaching useful.
 
Personal taste? I'm voting for it because I think it sounds fun.

Spymaster of Wissenland is the job we're most uniquely qualified for on the list and it's got more than 100 votes less than the next highest up.
it just seems strange to me that people are voting for an option that most other Grey Wizards or even regular people could do competently seemingly out of not wanting another vote to win. It just feels like we are letting unique opportunities only we are qualified for go for a little nostalgia and a desk job any competent Grey Wizard or spymaster could do.
 
Makgraf is just commanding people as we stuck in one place with limited time for ourselves while Waystones is working meeting and with new people as we roam across the land like a adventurer with all the time to stop for research here and there or return home to see Pan anytime!
 
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