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[X] Plan: Castle Strike
-[X] The Castle: The bulk of the Fimir Force will be here either within or around, as will the bulk of the assembled Albionese and Imperial forces, ready to receive the Fimir once the 'Fenbeasts' break down the gates and walls and provoke them. The currently finicky magics of the wizards may be of some use here, but Imperial steel will be of certain use. Command will apparently go to Mardudd's eldest daughter, Aberfa, as well as a number of other nobles over those who they recruited from their own holdings. The Imperials will be on the right flank, due to not quite knowing for certain just how fighting in a more integrated manner might go. The Blue Wolves will wait on the flanks along with the rest of the Albionese Cavalry.
-[X] Full Trident: Mena and Reinhardt will fight side by side with Magnus, whatever his choice.
 
[X] Plan Manticore and Wolf takes Castle
-[X] The Oghams: There will be only the most elite Fimir Warriors and powerful Dirachs - or Balefiends, to use the Imperial terminology. One can apparently only even approach with a glyph of declared protection scrawled upon their person, as well as the presence of a Druid. Even worse, to get there one must try and creep through a deadly Albionese marsh to get there. Mardudd intends to join in on this effort himself. Twenty five of the best Greatswords will accompany Magnus in this, as too many bodies might ruin the entire point of attempting stealth through the marsh. None of the cavalry could even begin to try and make their way through the marsh. This will be done on foot, or not at all.
-[X] Shifted Tines: Mena and Reinhardt might be better placed elsewhere. (Castle)
 
We could also do plan with all heirs assaulting ogham stones, but others don't like no heir leading forces on castle for understandable reasons.
 
[X] Plan: Castle Strike
-[X] The Castle: The bulk of the Fimir Force will be here either within or around, as will the bulk of the assembled Albionese and Imperial forces, ready to receive the Fimir once the 'Fenbeasts' break down the gates and walls and provoke them. The currently finicky magics of the wizards may be of some use here, but Imperial steel will be of certain use. Command will apparently go to Mardudd's eldest daughter, Aberfa, as well as a number of other nobles over those who they recruited from their own holdings. The Imperials will be on the right flank, due to not quite knowing for certain just how fighting in a more integrated manner might go. The Blue Wolves will wait on the flanks along with the rest of the Albionese Cavalry.
-[X] Full Trident: Mena and Reinhardt will fight side by side with Magnus, whatever his choice.

Let's let Magnus do what he does best: command, handle logistics, and fight. Our army will need a leader, and Magnus (along with the other heirs) is the best fit. I considered having Mena/Reinhardt split off to support taking the Oghams since it's so important, but A) other posters have already raised magical equipment mishaps (for Mena) and B) I'd hate to send off one of our friends only for them to get stuck where we can't help them.
 
Massgamer said:
We could also do plan with all heirs assaulting ogham stones, but others don't like no heir leading forces on castle for understandable reasons.
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Mena's magic item is a factor. There isn't really a point for her to go to the Oghams without it, as it is useful in killing fimir. The magic item having a unwanted reaction to the Ogham is a possibility, not worth the risk.

Reinhardt going without a runefang is possible, but only with Magnus. Going to fight strong fimir where a runefang would be nice to have, without a runefang is a risk. Better to have Reinhardt left behind to keep his men in line.
 
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[X] Plan: Tridentine Pincer
-[X] The Oghams: There will be only the most elite Fimir Warriors and powerful Dirachs - or Balefiends, to use the Imperial terminology. One can apparently only even approach with a glyph of declared protection scrawled upon their person, as well as the presence of a Druid. Even worse, to get there one must try and creep through a deadly Albionese marsh to get there. Mardudd intends to join in on this effort himself. Twenty five of the best Greatswords will accompany Magnus in this, as too many bodies might ruin the entire point of attempting stealth through the marsh. None of the cavalry could even begin to try and make their way through the marsh. This will be done on foot, or not at all.
-[X] Shifted Tines: Reinhardt will accompany Magnus and Mardudd, along with some of his elites, while Mena commands the Tridentine forces at the Castle

I still think this is the best move. Mena is the actual superior almost 5/6 of the troops we have, we need someone to command, and Magnus and Reinhardt can very effectively participate in the decapitation of their elites while Mena harasses the castle with the rest of the Albionese. Magnus weapon will probably be unaffected and perhaps enhanced by the winds, and Reinhardt's is unenchanted.

It's the best place for everyone.
 
[X] Plan: Castle Strike
-[X] The Castle: The bulk of the Fimir Force will be here either within or around, as will the bulk of the assembled Albionese and Imperial forces, ready to receive the Fimir once the 'Fenbeasts' break down the gates and walls and provoke them. The currently finicky magics of the wizards may be of some use here, but Imperial steel will be of certain use. Command will apparently go to Mardudd's eldest daughter, Aberfa, as well as a number of other nobles over those who they recruited from their own holdings. The Imperials will be on the right flank, due to not quite knowing for certain just how fighting in a more integrated manner might go. The Blue Wolves will wait on the flanks along with the rest of the Albionese Cavalry.
-[X] Full Trident: Mena and Reinhardt will fight side by side with Magnus, whatever his choice.
 
Knightperson said:
I still think this is the best move. Mena is the actual superior almost 5/6 of the troops we have, we need someone to command, and Magnus and Reinhardt can very effectively participate in the decapitation of their elites while Mena harasses the castle with the rest of the Albionese. Magnus weapon will probably be unaffected and perhaps enhanced by the winds, and Reinhardt's is unenchanted.

It's the best place for everyone.
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Reinhardt has no magic weapon, how is he supposed to easily kill Fimir elites?

Mena could do that with her magic item, Magnus can do it because of the runefang, Reinhardt cannot. Reinhardt is a liability if he were to go.
 
Marlin said:
Reinhardt has no magic weapon, how is he supposed to easily kill Fimir elites?

Mena could do that with her magic item, Magnus can do it because of the runefang, Reinhardt cannot. Reinhardt is a liability if he were to go.
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The Silver Manticore has no magic gear. The Silver Manticore needs no magic gear.

JK but I feel like the sword and scales is really gonna be metaphically pulling for him this fight. I mean his sister and mom have to have had built up some good will up there


[X] Plan Manticore and Wolf takes Castle
-[X] The Oghams: There will be only the most elite Fimir Warriors and powerful Dirachs - or Balefiends, to use the Imperial terminology. One can apparently only even approach with a glyph of declared protection scrawled upon their person, as well as the presence of a Druid. Even worse, to get there one must try and creep through a deadly Albionese marsh to get there. Mardudd intends to join in on this effort himself. Twenty five of the best Greatswords will accompany Magnus in this, as too many bodies might ruin the entire point of attempting stealth through the marsh. None of the cavalry could even begin to try and make their way through the marsh. This will be done on foot, or not at all.
-[X] Shifted Tines: Mena and Reinhardt might be better placed elsewhere. (Castle)
 
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Knightperson said:
He's never had an issue before. Neither had Magnus, when he's not wielding Brain Wounder.

An elite with an unenchanted weapon is actually perfect for this scenario.
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torroar said:
Reinhardt did not have a gauntlet of magical artifice created by a student of Patriarch Tarnus himself. He did not possess a Runefang, one of the greatest weapons ever created by the dwarfs. All he had was his masterwork zweihander, something forged of utterly mundane human hands.

Which was why he had to stick his through the eye of one of the fimir to kill it properly.
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Reinhardt can only harm the fimir in one location if he gets in close. The Albionese have a difficult time fighting the fimir, their tactics are agility focused because the Fimir are that difficult to kill through brute force. The fimir elite will not be as easy as the most common unit type. A magic weapon is required, or years of practice fighting against fimir. Reinhardt lacks a advantage against the fimir.
 
In this case while I don't think he'd be a liability necessarily, certainly no moreso than any of the others going for the Ogham without special equipment, he would be much more useful putting his bladework to use against less armored foes while also providing a command boost. Mena is more used to the particular way of the Blue Wolves, and the more commanders, the more flexibility.
 
Marlin said:
Reinhardt can only harm the fimir in one location if he gets in close. The Albionese have a difficult time fighting the fimir, their tactics are agility focused because the Fimir are that difficult to kill through brute force. The fimir elite will not be as easy as the most common unit type. A magic weapon is required, or years of practice fighting against fimir. Reinhardt lacks a advantage against the fimir.
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Or... actual steel vs bronze and stone. Are the fimir used to fighting against iron let alone whats probably Dwarven steel? Reinhardt is the son or Ortrud who is tight with dwarfs
Knightperson said:
Marlin I think you're missing the relevant point of this last update. Magic weapons are specifically unreliable for this mission due to the nature of the winds. It's explicitly better to go into the Oghams with no enchantments than with enchantments. Reinhardt is explicitly the best suited for it. If we were gonna send one heir, it should be him, but obviously it's better he be backed by Magnus.
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We don't know how runes will interact with the Oghams it might make Brain Wounder even better or just a really really good sword.
Might be recalling too much from Grumpy Dwarf Santa Quest but don't runes work better and more powerfully in areas of high magic?
 
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Marlin I think you're missing the relevant point of this last update. Magic weapons are specifically unreliable for this mission due to the nature of the winds. It's explicitly better to go into the Oghams with no enchantments than with enchantments. Reinhardt is explicitly the best suited for it. If we were gonna send one heir, it should be him, but obviously it's better he be backed by Magnus.
 
Aiel said:
Or... actual steel vs bronze and stone. Are the fimir used to fighting against iron let alone whats probably Dwarven steel? Reinhardt is the son or Ortrud who is tight with dwarfs
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Knightperson said:
Marlin I think you're missing the relevant point of this last update. Magic weapons are specifically unreliable for this mission due to the nature of the winds. It's explicitly better to go into the Oghams with no enchantments than with enchantments. Reinhardt is explicitly the best suited for it. If we were gonna send one heir, it should be him, but obviously it's better he be backed by Magnus.
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The runefang is being taken to the Oghams, and that is a magic weapon. Mena's magic weapon is unreliable to take near the Ogham, while the runefang is more reliable in this moment. Reinhardt is not a Albion native, so years of fimir fighting is not his thing. The slightest mistake can get him killed when fighting a foe he is unaccustomed to, that needs precision to kill, in terrain he is unaccustomed for, without some advantage.

These are the Fimir Elite, having an equalizer in the combat is better than going in no more skilled than the lowest fighter.

As for the steel vs stone thing. The fimir have had years to adjust, it has been years of supplying Albion with steel.
 
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This is a very weak argument imo but people can vote as they will. I don't see any benefit to having Magnus be the solo hero unit on the most dangerous mission, seems a little overly protagonistic, but it's fine either way
 
Knightperson said:
Marlin I think you're missing the relevant point of this last update. Magic weapons are specifically unreliable for this mission due to the nature of the winds. It's explicitly better to go into the Oghams with no enchantments than with enchantments. Reinhardt is explicitly the best suited for it. If we were gonna send one heir, it should be him, but obviously it's better he be backed by Magnus.
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Runefangs are runic weapons. There's a difference:

torroar said:
For the record, as obviously IC can be a bit opaque due to the differing knowledge/opinions of the IC people, I'll accede to providing a bit of extra OOC information you can try to factor in, in this case.

Dwarf Weapons are rarely negatively affected by strong blowing Winds of Magic. If anything, they are actually empowered further thanks to the genius artifice of the dwarfs, though even that much is rare. As an example, true Storms of Magic are one of the only ways to get the Ancestor Runes working, because they're so powerful that they often otherwise lay dormant. At the same time, a sudden major dearth in magic is also never going to 'depower' a dwarf rune weapon, if it was made properly. Otherwise, every time a Runelord in the ancient days shut down all magic in the area during a battle they'd also be depowering all the rune weapons and armor and trinkets and banners and war machines that are in use on the battlefield, likely enraging and getting a major Grudging by every dwarf noble with one or any number of said things.

Furthermore, a Runefang's main thing is being unbreakable and being really, really good at being a sword i.e. stab/slashing things. Generally the only thing they're meant to even have to work at is going through dragonscale and dragonhide...or gromril, and yet usually still succeed. Sometimes really enchanted armor, like that one Chaos Champion back in Nordland, can prove a bit of an issue, but usually not forever.

The worry was more for Mena's weapons, which instead rely on using magic to create fireballs or envelop nearby weapons with flame, or are themselves meant to be enveloped in flame, from doing...more than that. Different effects/purposes, different issues, yeah? At the same time, for all you know, depending on how the Winds are blowing, it could do nothing at all to her equipment. Or it could empower it without overpowering it, or it could simply depower her equipment. The thing about the Winds of Magic on Albion is that they're not...sure binary things, most of the time.
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Knightperson said:
This is a very weak argument imo but people can vote as they will. I don't see any benefit to having Magnus be the solo hero unit on the most dangerous mission, seems a little overly protagonistic, but it's fine either way
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Mena is gonna want to be in the heavier combat, aka the castle, and Reinhardt as a knight seems more aligned with large battles than that of strike teams. Magnus has had years of lessons and stories from Freddy about all those times me and my ace squad changed everything but there were still big leaders dealing with the rest of the battle
 
Aiel said:
Mena is gonna want to be in the heavier combat, aka the castle, and Reinhardt as a knight seems more aligned with large battles than that of strike teams. Magnus has had years of lessons and stories from Freddy about all those times me and my ace squad changed everything but there were still big leaders dealing with the rest of the battle
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As a knight would Reinhardt be more accustomed to heavy plate or half plate?

I'm drawing a blank on Reinhardt's martial talents. Magnus has an extensive martial experience thanks to the family combat spars and his own training time. Can we expect Reinhardt to be as skilled a fighter in any condition as Magnus?
 
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