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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Not sure if it's been mentioned. But is there any theory that explains this?

BoneyM said:
You pass tattered banners hammered into the bare stone of more varieties than you can identify, most seemingly Kurgan, some completely unfamiliar to you, and others completely wiped clean by the hot, gritty wind that seems to be blowing directly into your face.
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pucflek said:
"They bound Cor-Dum".
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The trouble is that it doesn't fit with a simple binding. Cor-Dum showed strong, personal affection to Borek. The only explanation for that I've heard as an alternative, is that it's a flinch test of some sort for weeding out infiltrators - but I think that falls on its' face a bit when you consider that this is the Chaos waste, and a not-insubstantial number of the loonies who live here would line up for the privilege of having their face melted by Cor-Dum. As I posted a day or so ago, the affection is possibly the most significant clue out of all of them, and I struggle to swallow a theory that can't even attempt to explain it.

Retrueno said:
Not sure if it's been mentioned. But is there any theory that explains this?
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The people testing themselves against him. It's a strong indicator that this has been going on for at least a century.

On another note...
BoneyM said:
The landscape varies even further as you push deeper, and at points the land is scarred with roads appearing from nowhere and going nowhere. You spend some time considering a stone ziggurat worn almost into a pyramid by the passage of time or some other process, and you spend as little time as possible considering the distant flocks of figures too large to be birds that drift lazily through the sky.
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Man, are those Old One / Lizardmen ruins from the original coming of Chaos? That's extremely metal if so. Props to Boney.
 
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HungryHamadryad said:
The trouble is that it doesn't fit with a simple binding. Cor-Dum showed strong, personal affection to Botrek. The only explanation for that I've heard as an alternative, is that it's a flinch test of some sort for weeding out infiltrators - but I think that falls on its' face a bit when you consider that this is the Chaos waste, and a not-insubstantial number of the loonies who live here would line up for the privilege of having their face melted by Cor-Dum. As I posted a day or so ago, the affection is possibly the most significant clue out of all of them, and I struggle to swallow a theory that can't even attempt to explain it.
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Well i did not specify how they bound Cor-Dum. That is the entire issue with the vote for me. We don't know enough to even make a real informed guess, so keeping it to "Bound Somehow" instead of making a very involved and shaky theory for the somehow. Is vastly preferable to me.

There is also the "This is not even Cor-Dum at all" which fell so far to the wayside that it most likely won't even show up when we talk to the council, despite involving lot less guesswork and assumptions Mathilde can't even IC know.
 
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I think that Alratan-Omegahugger theory of Core Dump being a dwarf in this incarnation is close to truth, maybe with a pinch of Garlak's Dhar-burning.

[x] THEORY: The Dwarves of Karag Dum did something to burn away the taint of Chaos, much as your Belt of the Unshackled Mountain does, but on a far grander scale. Perhaps it had an effect on the Beastmen here, Cor-Dum included.
[x] THEORY: Morghur was reborn as a dwarf and at least partially protected by the Valayan rites, subsequently those protections were relaxed to allow him to mutate physically while retaining self-control and his dwarven identity.
[x] THEORY: Omegahugger
 
[x] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.

[X] THEORY: The Dwarves of Karag Dum did something to burn away the taint of Chaos, much as your Belt of the Unshackled Mountain does, but on a far grander scale. Perhaps it had an effect on the Beastmen here, Cor-Dum included.

[X] ACTION: Infiltrate Karag Dum to gather information.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information
[x] ACTION: Investigate further.
 
HungryHamadryad said:
Using runes to 'purify' a Beastman would definitely be some serious heresy in the eyes of the Runelords. Nevermind intentionally creating more of them + whatever ghetto modification you had to make to your runes behind the local halfpipe in order to achieve it.
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I imagine turning the surrounding mountains into beastman forests and a desert is not exactly comme il faut amongst dwarves.
 
God, I have no clue.

I 100% agree with trying to get more information instead of packing up and going home.

If we do investigate and learn things, Boney, I'm expecting something mindblowing.
 
Retrueno said:
Who went through so much trouble as to stick them in the stone?
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BoneyM said:
All the bones are in the desert, and the banners weren't exactly abandoned, someone went to a lot of trouble with each one to stick them upright in the stone.
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Could they be arranged in such a fashion that they might be marking how far in each force made it? Or are they just sort of scattered about in a way that might indicate they're a warning left by the Beastmen and/or Dwarfs?
 
Sovereign Hunt said:
These are Dawi, remember. They have pretty warped standards for what constitutes "shameful", and putting the safety of an entire Karak in the hands of a beastman (even a purified one) sure as hell counts.
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I'm going to make an unusual point for me. I don't think it's irrational for the dwarfs to consider purifying beatmen shameful. Keep in mind we had to gather a lot of DF before we could get any runes. Now imagine using those same runes (holy gifts of Thungi) on an enemy of all dwarf-kind, one who is the subject of an eternal grudge. They don't just have a grudge against Chaos, they have one against beastmen.

Now granted there is some legal wiggle room there, @BoneyM made it clear that if a Skaven could exist somehow outside the Underempire and the influence of the Horned Rat they would not automatically be grudged... but that does not make them dwarf friends, that does not make them worthy of sacred gifts.

The only way you could count that irrational is in the way you could count all religions that, but that is not really a sensibile position in a setting where the gods can and do blatantly act in support of one position or another. What would Thungi think is no joke.
 
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BoneyM said:
As the demigod bellows once more but shows no sign of approaching, you risk a glance sideways at Borek, who'd become more and more glued to the prow as you grew nearer to his home. You're not sure what you expect - shock? disbelief? despair? But you definitely weren't expecting resignation. "Borek-"

"We did the best we could," he says. "When it comes time to tell the rest of the Karaz Ankor what has become of us, please tell them that as well. May the Ancestors forgive us."
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I'd like to point out that this is past tense. They are no longer fighting Chaos because they joined it. We know dwarfs have fallen to Chaos before and no one seems to be advocating that Borek and Dum are genuine traitors. If they knew about Vlag that is a reason to keep the Way Stones running and Necromancy proves that Dhar can exist without chaos. It's important to remember that chaos doesn't need dhar, hell given The Violent it doesn't even need active magic use. This is the first time Matilda has been genuinely betrayed by a superior and that hurts, but we have to face that that is probably what happened.

[X] Theory: Karag Dum is a Chaos Hold Now.
[X] Action: Turn Back
 
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