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[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[X] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Thane Borek Forkbeard

Mostly don't think it's a good idea to poke around the choas dwarf or Skaven places when we'll need to come back this way at some point. If we're going to draw the attention of probably hostile forces we should do it on the way back, when we'll be out of retaliation range before they can do much about it.

You do recall all the Skaven places in Karak 8 Peaks that we infilitrated with literally no one being aware we'd done it right? Mathilde has the chops to illusion her self into looking like a clan rat and can almost certainly walk through the Skaven Combes with out ever being found out.


Not quite, it was getting rolled that turn whether we picked it or not.


Yep, once again not visiting these places doesn't mean threats wont spawn from them it means we're blind to whether that happened or not.
 
[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[X] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
 
I wonder if anyone in Karaz-A-Karak knows any inhabitants of Vlag? Or better yet, is from Vlag? They'd be best suited to "prove" themselves real, I'd think.
 
As the only person talking about burning it all down is NSMS and they are saying we can't do that so they don't want to go I think you're well cherry picking is the most polite way to put it.
You are... 'wrong' is the most generous way to put it.

Exhibit A:
[X] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr

I'm all for showing up to Uzkulak, but be aware that I will be voting for anything that seems like it will lead to us creating a chain of events that destroys it.


Oh and misrepresenting what is being said.
Really, now...

the fact that we can also benefit from them in terms of pilfering resources is secondary.
if not buy or pilfer resources for ourselves.

...Were we supposed to pretend that just because you didn't list them as you highest priority they didn't exist?
 
[X] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[X] Ice Crone Ljiljana
[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
 
You do recall all the Skaven places in Karak 8 Peaks that we infilitrated with literally no one being aware we'd done it right? Mathilde has the chops to illusion her self into looking like a clan rat and can almost certainly walk through the Skaven Combes with out ever being found
Now, to be fair, we were using the +S level coin of 'don't notice me'

With only A level magic of 'im not there' it is possible for a grey seer to notice us if they get a good roll.
 
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You are... 'wrong' is the most generous way to put it.
Exhibit A:

Really, now...

...Were we supposed to pretend that just because you didn't list them as you highest priority they didn't exist?

Okay dude, what ever makes you feel better, well done for finding like the only vote that fits your description. 1 in 75 voting with that intent means your concerns are pretty much an irrelevance though you get that right?

Even then my intent to steal from the Chaos dwarves is very much an only if an opportunity comes up which means it's mostly risk free. So it doesn't really support what you're saying which is that there's a sizeable voting block that wants to start shit in the chaos dwarf city and thats why we shouldn't visit it as opposed to like one or two people with others voting for it due to a variety of reasons.

So yea you're position isn't credible or convincing.

Now, to be fair, we were using the +S level coin of 'don't notice me'

With only A level magic of 'im not there' it is possible for a grey seer to notice us if they get a good roll.

We rarely used the Night prowler when going through the skaven clan areas in K8P most of it was Mathildes pure grey magic, but tbh grey seers aren't common so I think that's fine.
 
Adhoc vote count started by picklepikkl on Dec 20, 2020 at 12:36 PM, finished with 511 posts and 140 votes.

Current voting. Pretty close, all things considered; there's a clear leader, and then there's only about a 10-vote gap between 2nd and 6th place, and then another gap down to 7th place.

In any event, visiting Uzkulak seems extremely likely at this point, but "do we visit the combe or not" is a live option. Most of the discussion so far about sidetracking has centered on Zharr Vegas, but the skaven are the thing actively in contention.
 
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I don't want to poke at the Chaos Dwarfs or do anything that might endanger the expedition, but I appreciate the little glimpses of what the evil cultures are like when they're not staring down a greatsword coming at them in a dark tunnel.
 
[X] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[X] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
 
In any event, visiting Uzkulak seems extremely likely at this point, but "do we visit the combe or not" is a live option. Most of the discussion so far about sidetracking has centered on Zharr Vegas, but the skaven are the thing actively in contention.
I think we should. If we go sneaking around, we're not more likely to provoke a response than the possibility of them sallying out just because the expedition is there with no warning. The reason to not vote for the Skaven is because you more highly prioritise talking to Ruprecht, according to the tally, which I do not. We already know how that conversation will go - the Ulricans didn't acquit themselves well, they'll make it up next time, maybe a comment about Ruprecht's personal heroism - and in any split Ruprecht is already likely to have our back over Borek's due to our connection at K8P and the Expedition there.
 
[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[X] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[X] Ice Crone Ljiljana

I repeat, literally anything except visiting the fucking Chaos Dwarves. I don't want Mathilde or me to see their horrifying shit if we aren't doing anything useful, and I definitely don't want to do something as ethically gross as giving them money.
 
I'd imagine that appearing as relatives would have been one of the first things the demons tried, unfortunately.
Sure, but it's unlikely that the Daemons would have the background knowledge of the time old Thorin fell down the copper shaft and came out covered in gravel, or whatever equivalent obscure shared experience they'll have. I don't think Slaaneshi daemons would have perfect information like that.
 
[x] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[x] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[x] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[x] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[x] Ranging far ahead of the convoy
[x] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[x] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
 
He claps your arm and heads back towards his charges, and you watch him go thoughtfully. It speaks well of him that his concern over his hopefully demoralized and possibly corrupted Journeyman takes precedence over the pride he must feel from having scored the killing blow on a higher Daemon.
Gotta say, if he's not on the up-and-up in quest continuity then we're definitely getting a good illustration from Boney of the fact that if it were easy to see through him then it probably would have happened before he long-conned his way into being Patriarch of the Light College (literally the illusion-piercing anti-Chaos specialists among wizards) in original canon.

[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider

These seem like good boys and I would like to know about their deal and what it is.

[X] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr

Have I ever before watched the thread bandwagoning onto something that's probably not the best choice because it looks cool and joined in instead of arguing against? No. Am I doing it this time? You bet your sweet ass I am. Let's check this wretched hive of scum and villainy out. Who knows, maybe we can low-key scope out some possible targets for stealing, I mean, heisting, er, looting, that is to say, yoinking, or, no, liberating on the way back. Yes, that's the one. Liberating.

[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
 
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I think we should. If we go sneaking around, we're not more likely to provoke a response than the possibility of them sallying out just because the expedition is there with no warning. The reason to not vote for the Skaven is because you more highly prioritise talking to Ruprecht, according to the tally, which I do not. We already know how that conversation will go - the Ulricans didn't acquit themselves well, they'll make it up next time, maybe a comment about Ruprecht's personal heroism - and in any split Ruprecht is already likely to have our back over Borek's due to our connection at K8P and the Expedition there.
our read of Borek was wrong and we only know because we talked to him.

let's talk to Ruprecht and actually find out what he is like instead of guessing.
 
Idea: what if Mathilde buys slaves to release from the Chaos dwarfs!

With luck we could find elves or dawi to rescue from the clutches of Chaos factions slave trade.
You're still supporting the slave trade, and the price point is going to be set to enable the slave trade to acquire more slaves in the future. What you want to do is buy the slaves, then follow the slaver to his next meeting with the slave catchers, and kill every non-slave there and take all their stuff. Unfortunately, we are under a time and 'don't get the Expedition in trouble' crunch here, so at absolute best we might rob the slaver on the way out, preferably with the aid of Ranald's blessing to let us run into him outside the city gates.
 
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