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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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me.me.here said:
[X] No, but they could help break the blockade or make up for the loss of trade.

@BoneyM would this be a valid write-in? It's essentially just informing the Chamberlain that the Karaz Ankor can and will back the Empire in the trade dispute with Marienburg without blocking off options for any negotiating tactics the Chamberlain might want to take.
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You can write it in, but it is diluting the strength of your advice.
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
Honestly, the most elegant solution would be to somehow get the Eonir to start making disproving noises in Marianburg's direction. That would dynamite Ulthan's strategic calculus, and they'd probably pull back to reassess.
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Just gonna throw this idea out there:

[] Write-in: We can bluff the Asur. Threaten to cut Ulthuan off from the Empire's waystone network.

Yes, it's arguably quite dumb. But we could, theoretically, do it.
 
Inb4 BoneyM decides both of these two choices have enough support to mention them both to the Chamberlain and let him decide :V
 
Vebyast said:
What? Having the Karaz Ankor prop up the Empire shows them that all of their money is useless. That's the biggest possible flex. Sitting some ships on them is treating a symptom. They'll just rebuild and try again later. Showing them that their money is useless, and then taking that money away from them, destroys them completely.

Also: Once the canal is complete, Marienburg is dead. Their only resource is money, and their only source of money is river trade, and the canal takes that trade away from them. Their entire military right now is mercenaries. They'll be destitute in a decade. That's the entire reason they're throwing their weight around right now! It's literally their only option; they're desperate. Do not give in by letting them provoke a war.
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What are you talking about, river trade is their only income? The exact reason they can even do this is because it isn't. Without the river trade, they still have a port that receives trade from every part of the Old World with a coastline + Ulthuan. If the river trade was life and death for the entire city, they couldn't threaten an embargo, because then they're not just destitute in months if not weeks, they're dead.
 
[X] No, but they could help break the blockade

I don't really believe getting the dwarves to pay for the Marienburgers is viable. Besides, this was always the plan.

I trust in Ranald, and so advocate for Heidis plan to get the dwarves help to bring Marienburg low.
 
[X] No, but they could help break the blockade

At this point it seems like the best thing to do would be to get the Dwarves to break the blockade, since war with the High Elves sounds like a bad idea.

However, since the High Elves won't help Marienburg if they attack us, maybe we could exploit that, and provoke them into attacking us? This would then give us the opportunity to take the city without dealing with the Elves.
 
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me.me.here said:
[X] No, but they could help break the blockade or make up for the loss of trade.

@BoneyM would this be a valid write-in? It's essentially just informing the Chamberlain that the Karaz Ankor can and will back the Empire in the trade dispute with Marienburg without blocking off options for any negotiating tactics the Chamberlain might want to take.
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boney doesn't tend to like these 'cake and eat it. 'one trick gms hate' write ins.
 
[X] They can make up for the loss in trade

Not happy about it but it's the option that doesn't declare war on Marieburg in all but name, which would have a high chance of massively upscaling Dawi-Elf tensions (with possible significant loss of life from raids/counter-raid) and and have a very small but still extant chance of kicking off an apocalyptically bad war. The Canal will recoup this investment in time and it is very possible that the Mariburgers will back off early when the blockade fails to produce either a policy change or a way for them to call in their allies.
 
Guys, let us not underestimate that the They Can Make Up For It option significantly weakens the Empire and the Karaz Ankor for at least five years.

An Empire whose muster currently consists of two provinces and Hochland, and a KA that's currently shoring up K8P and actively fighting for Karak Dum.

If anything at all goes wrong in that time, and that's a lot of time for things to go wrong in, especially outside the provinces who are free, then things become seriously dicey.

[X] No, but they could help break the blockade
 
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Slamu said:
We have a library, and it's getting better every turn. I say this not to dismiss your concerns, but to try to address them; what do you see as the difference between improving the library we have and Belegar getting out and pushing the idea, beyond money thrown at the project?
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For one, an actual greater amount of books. For another, the narrative effects of the Great Library existing.

[X] No, but they could help break the blockade

Everything else but this and a straight "no" is a lie. There is no way the dwarves are going to take Marienburg's insolence lying down, much less pay the Empire that they may both supplicate themselves to the city for a half a decade. They will not pay for the Empire, so it is telling an untruth to say they would.
 
[X] They can make up for the loss in trade

Cause if they get mucky we can really stomp em!

Also gosh dont we happen to have this huge ass pile of money we desperately need to launder?
 
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Omegahugger has inspired me! Instead of raising the dead ourselves, Mathilde could frame Marienburg for heresy and necromancy.

They have their own (shitty) college of magic, so I say we plant the Liber Mortis as evidence in a frame job, and either find it ourselves or arrange for a competent ally to find out that Marienburg has it.

This is partly joking but also partly serious.
 
me.me.here said:
Propping up trade for 5 years, even if not all trade is affected and the Dawi only partially compensate for the lost trade, would still be an order of magnitude or two more expensive than the canal project.
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I somewhat doubt that they will keep up the embargo for 5 years. After all their first priority is money.
 
[X] They can make up for the loss in trade

Both this and the naval war are viable, but I'm leaning more in this direction. I'd approval vote both, but the thread doesn't seem likely to go in a different direction, and I prefer the economic war to the naval war.
 
DragonParadox said:
Eh... that is straining the word nation until you can hear its joints pop. I'm of the school of thought that nations in a recognizable state are modern, creations of a post Enlightenment world.
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What we call it really does not change the thrust of my post. I've been able to show the elites using media to drum up the support of the masses for a group identity and a hatred of the outsider earlier then your claim that that was a purely modern phenomenon. The onus is on you to disprove that, not quibble of the definition of state (but since you brought it up I'm of the anthropological and sociological opinion that anything larger then a tribe is a state, just not necessarily a modern nation-state). I assure you the people of Marienburg will not welcome a conquering imperial army with cheers and applause.
 
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