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Do keep in mind it's very possible there are assassins laying in wait in the darkness here.

You know, doing the same thing we are.
This is why we are (mostly) voting to wait until the sorceror goes first. Whether the hidden figure(s) comes out of the all concealing shadow to help the agent, the sorceror, kill both of them, or just snacks on popcorn loudly enough to give away their position, we'll be ready.


And if they stab us in the spine, hey probably a self solving problem.
 
I wouldn't say they had little to do with it. Without the other skaven who would we have used to keep Mors busy? The Orcs were just plain too disorganised to do the job, and the Dragon was smart enough to work out we woke it rather than blame the rat-things.

If it wasn't for the skaven K8P would still be full of skaven.
Yeah, the Skaven were da real MVPs. They were instrumental in cleansing the Karak of hostiles, I don't think anyone except the trolls has done as much work in that regard.
 
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think that when we have to Learn more Battle Magic, (and let's be honest that day will come.) we should learn Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma first. (And probably only MMM, battle magic scary.)

1) it fits what we would need the most outside of battle as well as in battle e.g a GTFO button if we get surround behind enemy lines again.

2) we have two traits (Warrior of Fog and Mantle of Mist) that should help with the learning and casting, not to the point that Melkoth can, but it is our type of spell.

Everyone love pit of shades, I do too! But sadly Mathy is just a Miasma kind of girl e.g it is comparatively safer for her... comparatively, and fits her style.
Gotta Invent our own battle magic spell.
 
1) it fits what we would need the most outside of battle as well as in battle e.g a GTFO button if we get surround behind enemy lines again.
We have Smoke and Mirrors. If we manage to cast it successfully we automatically escape from any given 'you are surrounded' scenarios, no backsies. We can turn invisible, develop a perfect disguise, cause people to forget we ever existed, and walk through walls. Our exfiltration can't get better, unless the elves have something on their lists.

What we need Battle Magic for is to be able to point at a big clump of Albino Stormvermin guarding Sleek Sharpwit in the heart of his power and make them go elsewhere. Or, when we run into a Greater Daemon, to be able to know we aren't going to automatically die, merely most likely die. It's the ultimate punching-up weapon, because you can't tank it, it just kills you, and as an assassin we're often in a position to apply it with a lot more calm and preparation time than any Battle Mage ever gets to achieve.
 
Everyone love pit of shades, I do too! But sadly Mathy is just a Miasma kind of girl e.g it is comparatively safer for her... comparatively, and fits her style.
Plus, once we finally get around to trying to reverse engineer our brass orb we might be able to replicate a similar battlefield effect without a risky casting. It's a long shot of course, but the thread is prolly gonna be much easier to convince to mess around with mass-producing portals to the warp than to pick up more battle magic (that we didn't invent).
 
We have Smoke and Mirrors. If we manage to cast it successfully we automatically escape from any given 'you are surrounded' scenarios, no backsies. We can turn invisible, develop a perfect disguise, cause people to forget we ever existed, and walk through walls. Our exfiltration can't get better, unless the elves have something on their lists.

What we need Battle Magic for is to be able to point at a big clump of Albino Stormvermin guarding Sleek Sharpwit in the heart of his power and make them go elsewhere. Or, when we run into a Greater Daemon, to be able to know we aren't going to automatically die, merely most likely die. It's the ultimate punching-up weapon, because you can't tank it, it just kills you, and as an assassin we're often in a position to apply it with a lot more calm and preparation time than any Battle Mage ever gets to achieve.
Malthildes malicious misplacement
Mist surrounds a unit of foes. They vanish and emerge several hundred meters away.
 
Before learning battle magic, we should first create new spells or translate spells from other Lores to give Mathilde new magical traits, making casting battle magic easier. Alakazam mist thing and the Lore of Stealth are such candidates.
 
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think that when we have to Learn more Battle Magic, (and let's be honest that day will come.) we should learn Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma first. (And probably only MMM, battle magic scary.)

1) it fits what we would need the most outside of battle as well as in battle e.g a GTFO button if we get surround behind enemy lines again.
2) we have two traits (Warrior of Fog and Mantle of Mist) that should help with the learning and casting, not to the point that Melkoth can, but it is our type of spell.

Everyone love pit of shades, I do too! But sadly Mathy is just a Miasma kind of girl e.g it is comparatively safer for her... comparatively, and fits her style.
What Matty actually needs is a Big Gun.
Something to serve as a credible threat to Greater Demons, Dragons, Rogue Idols of Gork and other enemies in that weight class.
See our worrying about the Emperor Dragon possibly being hostile earlier in this battle.

If necessary, she can attempt to enchant it into an object to mitigate miscasts. She was specced as an enchanter in chargen after all.
A Pit of Shades bullet or crossbow bolt that's single use and destroys itself once used would fit into that paradigm quite well without the GM worrying about giving her the ability to spam Battle Magic.
 
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I'm pretty sure @BoneyM has said repeatedly that they aren't going to let us game battle magic like this.
Turning the cost battle magic from a miscast chance to an AP (or more) of work enchanting an appropriate object doesn't seem too unreasonable.

Making an enchanted item that is identical to a battle magic spell and can be used safely and repeatedly, that would break things, but a one-use version (that might even have some other limitations) doesn't break the system it would just show that Mathilde had reached the level of enchantment skill of the person who made her seed - utterly extraordinary.
 
This quest inspired me to buy Vermintide 2 and Warhammer Total War.

Regrettably, no Mathilde, but the former does have a badass Grey Magister in a supporting role, and the latter has a DLC campaign for Belegar.
 
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[X] Both should die
-[X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.
-[X] If the attack proves not to be physical, let the Sorcerer leave, and attack the Council member alone. The documents must not make it out.
 
This quest inspired me to buy Vermintide 2 and the Warhammer Total War game.

Regrettably, no Mathilde, but the former does have a badass Grey Magister in a supporting role, and the later has a DLC campaign for Belegar.

Buy the second total warhammer game.

Get the vampire coast.

Buy More Crabs.

Crab spam solves all problems.

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This quest inspired me to buy Vermintide 2 and the Warhammer Total War game.

Regrettably, no Mathilde, but the former does have a badass Grey Magister in a supporting role, and the later has a DLC campaign for Belegar.
I still think it's funny that the dlc made this thread convinced that there was ghost dwarves in K8Ps even tho that's a total war only thing so that they could give the dwarves more units.
 
So on an entriely different not, what is everyone's favourite thing about Mathilde?

My favourite single detail about Mathilde is something that didn't even happen in the quest proper, which is Mathilde, at the age of 10, having nearly been murdered by her own neighbours and having been abandoned by her family and everyone she ever knew, deciding to circumvent her own Doom by befrending a Cat and naming it Morr.





It also explains a lot about her relationship with Ranald, as a big facet of that seems to be both of them both pointing at fate and laughing uproariously.

Otherwise, I love the contrast between how loyal she is and the fact that despite her distase for politics she's hugely ambitious** and loves games of exact words peadantry (see: Morr the cat, the Liber Mortis & Dwarf Friend Weber's money) to allow her to get away with what she wants that the grey order is institutionally paranoid over.

**No one who wants to revolutionse magic like Mathilde is not ambitious. Also I don't understand why some wizards seemed to think Mathilde wasn't ambitous before the "unleash the battlewizards" proclomation because she took a less visible post outside the empire. Look at her list of known accomplishments: as a very young journeywoman became spymaster to an elector count***, gathering a fearsome reputation amongst the populace. Leveraged that into an actual title of nobility (if a small one) in defiance of practically all convention, essentially took over and successfully completed the campaign that killed Abelheim, a battlewizard and the Amethyst Patriarch, became the first Wizard to have actual and formal power in a dwarf hold since the war of the beard and published/contributed to a series of significant academic papers.

***Yes she had the position forced on her and it was the crappiest province but it's still massively impressive for her age.

You can't run from destiny.

But you can look it in the face and call it a bitch, then make it your bitch, when it does arrive.
 
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... Boney updates every day mate, sometimes posts are shorter than others.

complain about the pacing on the fastest thread on the site is a good way to show how spoiled you are.
I'm talking about narrative pacing you dollard. There's a difference. It's not about length. As I said, the update feels like filler. It has nothing to do with the frequency of posting.
<re-quotes post in response to @DocMatoi>

be mindful of the thread policy Calling another user a "dollard" (by which we can presume you meant "dullard") is not okay. It is uncivil, it is an unfair personal attack on another user when misinterpreting written text on the internet is easy for anyone, and it is difficult for a reasonable person to respond to in good faith. It is in violation of Rule 3 of this forum, and of the Thread Policy for this thread, which outlines a heightened standard for Rule 3 within this thread.

Let me be clear, for all players.

There is a thread policy in force within this thread. If your post contains a personal attack on another user or on other posteres generally, you will receive and infraction and a three month threadban. Each of you scroll past this thread policy, every time you post. It is at at the bottom of every page of this thread. There are no good excuses for not being aware of it.

All that being said, @Luminous, I was seriously arguing with myself on letting you off with a Staff Note, because three months is rather a lot. Unfortunately your decision to double down here with another user has left me no choice. You have been infracted, and threadbanned for three months. Please don't do this again.

@Jyn Ryvia, I'm also not too happy about your decision to call @Luminous "spoiled" here. It's good that you apologised later, but you still had a role in this. You have received a Staff Note and a three day long threadban. Please don't do it again.

Hopefully, this can be a useful reminder for all players. Experience has shown us that problems can propagate quickly in big, active threads. The thread policy exists to prevent the thread from turning toxic, and keep the Quest the pleasant place to be. It is clear. It is strict.

Be mindful of it when you post.

Thank you all for your time.
 
What Matty actually needs is a Big Gun.
Something to serve as a credible threat to Greater Demons, Dragons, Rogue Idols of Gork and other enemies in that weight class.
See our worrying about the Emperor Dragon possibly being hostile earlier in this battle.
I would argue that if the requirement is "serve as a credible threat", Branlhune definitely counts. Especially with someone who can apply it so well. Just because I was absolutely against fighting the Ice Dragon doesn't preclude us being a threat to it....it's just the difference between a 5% threat and a 50% threat.

Not again. :(
Oh well. Anything else I missed?
I wouldn't know. Have you read the latest updates?
 
[X] Both must die.
- [X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.

Well thats not what I wanted to see after catching up to the thread after my second 12 hour warehouse shift. Eh it is what it is. Can't really bring myself to care right now.


[X] Both must die.
- [X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.

Though I do have a request for the thread while I'm here. Please don't go to the Roll Site Boney is using, and start talking about rolls and such that they haven't actually shared with the thread in the actual thread, I was on my phone going through the thread this morning and I couldn't follow anything because of how much missing context there was, and it gives me bad memories of Discord and Rolz where people would talk about what happened there while everyone else was only getting maybe half of the conversation.

Good night.
 
Why does this thread get so many Staff Posts? It's like clockwork.

Anyways, @BoneyM will Mathilde's conduct during the coming Black Crag Orc invasion refresh our writing material? By that I mean these:
Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition. (MOSTLY FADED)
The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual. (FADED)
 
Anyways, @BoneyM will Mathilde's conduct during the coming Black Crag Orc invasion refresh our writing material? By that I mean these:
I imagine that depends entirely on what happens, given we can't see the future and there's no guarantee what exactly will happen. Including whether or not we'll even win.

Haven't, really. Been too busy.
I recommend it.
[X] Both must die.
- [X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.

Well thats not what I wanted to see after catching up to the thread after my second 12 hour warehouse shift. Eh it is what it is. Can't really bring myself to care right now.


[X] Both must die.
- [X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.

Though I do have a request for the thread while I'm here. Please don't go to the Roll Site Boney is using, and start talking about rolls and such that they haven't actually shared with the thread in the actual thread, I was on my phone going through the thread this morning and I couldn't follow anything because of how much missing context there was, and it gives me bad memories of Discord and Rolz where people would talk about what happened there while everyone else was only getting maybe half of the conversation.

Good night.
People spoil it man. If you have an issue, I'm afraid it's just as simple as not clicking on any spoilers.
 
Master Assassins are pretty much a lord level character. Regular eshin assassins, such as those in the Triad are hero level, but they're special in that they can field them in teams as a unit as a special feature of the Eshin army list.
A little googling suggests that a Master Assassin can lead an army as it's general, so that works.
Not so sure about how your characterization of regular assassins. We'll see I guess.

I'm pretty sure @BoneyM has said repeatedly that they aren't going to let us game battle magic like this.
*shrug*
Like @kingreaper said, the investment of one or more AP in order to create a oneshot use of a Battle Magic item might well work within game mechanics. Especially if you still have to hit your target with a Pit of Shades bullet, and can miss and waste that investment.
Not really my department though.

I would argue that if the requirement is "serve as a credible threat", Branlhune definitely counts. Especially with someone who can apply it so well. Just because I was absolutely against fighting the Ice Dragon doesn't preclude us being a threat to it....it's just the difference between a 5% threat and a 50% threat.
I don't believe it does. Not on that scale.
But again, not my department.
 
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