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- Seriously, write in anyone, and if you like, the reason for your visit or the event you wish to witness. The listed options are just ideas that occurred to me while writing this. The social turn lets you decide who or what you want to see more of, without any mechanical consideration.
So we can call up anyone...
There will be absolutely zero mechanical advantages from any of the options taken during social turns.
And there are no mechanical effects...

... We have the means. We have the time. After Roswita we even have the motive.
[X] Write in: Try to contact Abelhelm van Hal. You just want to talk to him one last time...

Let's tell our lord how his daughter is doing, shall we?
 
That, if I am understanding this correctly, refers to the Divine Bounty Ranald got off of Mork. You know, the shit we stole for him. The shit he has apparently used to get one of his high and greatest worshippers to be both Empress and mother to the next Emperor. Who will likely also be a Ranaldian if the god has any sense. That can only happen because of us. He owes use this. Or would if he hadn't already given us the coin. We basically just facilitated a Ranaldian version of Karl Franz, with any luck. Just, you know, in case people hadn't noticed.

Seeing as he has a different mother and was born a decade later, I see no reason for him to have very much in common with the canon Karl-Franz. It's also pretty unlikely that he'd be a lay member of the Cult of Ranald, even if his mother was one.

As a side note, in canon, Karl Franz had an older sister who would have been born before the start of the quest. I wonder if she ever existed/what happened to her here?

Given people don't have mechanical impetus to do it, if they don't want to for whatever reason then they're probably not going to pick them. An example might be relative urgency, where people consider the peeps in Karak Eight Peaks to be less urgent than others, who exist out in the Empire because the K8P folks will be there later. And they have something of a point.

There'll always be there later, until they're not.

This is something that compounds in quests, with people always voting to spend time with the people they've already befriended, as they want to see more of the characters' friends, meaning that after not very long the character never makes any new friends.
 
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Boney I'm pretty sure used the serial killer thing as an analogy which weakens your idea of "She's pre-modern and thus has a different outlook on murder stuff so its not as bad". She does but that sort of analogy is what I use to explain to my players a character's mindset in a relative context they can actually understand.
He also explicitly compared it to the mindset gained by other winds and gave the college's solution to this. If you gained a different understanding, then you are wrong.

He also has a different quote which I have also brought up in the last few pages that explocitly assures us that there will be no corruption, metaphysical or otherwise. If you can get any WOG at all that directly says that Dhar will drive Mathilde mad while she's wearing the belt, then your concerns would be more understandable.

But when we have this and the assurance that "we can fling dhar, hug a daemon and juggle warpstone" while having no effect on our soul then you are just spreading misinformation.
 
[X] Princess Edda, to pry for details about her illicit romance with Prince Kazrik.
[X] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, as the new home of the Winter Wolves takes shape.

[X] Karak Kadrin, presenting them with the skull of an old enemy (but not to keep).
[X] Karak Hirn, to satisfy your curiousity about Prince Ulthar.

[X] Roswita, as she tries to wrap her head around the influx of Battle Wizards.
[X] Roswita, to present her with a copy of the book her late father contributed to.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.
[X] Try to find Kasmir in Sylvania.
 
Well I mean he'd still be insane if he'd been turned, so maybe Vlad saw a quick death as kinder than an eternity of Insanity.
There was a sweet spot there that Vlad missed, after Frederick was crazy enough to consider 'hey maybe vampires aren't so bad' but before the paranoid schizophrenia set in.

Like the three second rule for genius necromancer pals. Brush Fred off a bit, and he's mostly still good!
 
There'll always be there later, until they're not.

This is something that compounds in quests, with people always voting to spend time with the people they've already befriended, as they want to see more of the characters' friends, meaning that after not very long the character never makes any new friends.
And I don't see this as particularly an issue given its what the thread is, as a whole, voting for which should mean the majority is satisfied. And given that Questing is a majority game of story telling, that sort of thing is the point.

If you want to change their minds, convince them. This sort of objection isn't convincing because, among other things, it doesn't provide a reader with why your opinion on how things should go is fun.
 
[X] Loremaster: Expert on beekeeping

[X] Kragg the Grim, who you could likely convince to start gloating.
[X] Karak Kadrin, presenting them with the skull of an old enemy (but not to keep).
[X] Roswita, as she tries to wrap her head around the influx of Battle Wizards.
[X] Roswita, to present her with a copy of the book her late father contributed to.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.

[X] Store away for some future purpose.
- [X] Perhaps some day soon you'll have your own personal gyrocopter, which will of course require suitable decoration...
 
We found time spent with Roswita to be worthwhile. I imagine that a continual flow of feeling worthwhile from having friends in our colleagues among the Council will be even more satisfactory.
 
[X] On display in the Duckling Club.
[X] Loremaster: Expert on beekeeping
[X] Kragg the Grim, who you could likely convince to start gloating.
[X] Karak Kadrin, presenting them with the skull of an old enemy (but not to keep).
[] Roswita, as she tries to wrap her head around the influx of Battle Wizards
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, to check up on the Ulrikadrin and get to know him better.
They're busy trying desperately to convince Karak Kadrin not to declare a Grudge against them. I did tell you that they'd try to pull the rug out from under Ostermark. And Ostermark would back the Slayer Keep, so they're out too."
I have a funny feeling that Averland is going to go out of their way not to interfere with the new canal after Tabecland decided to play silly buggers and serve as a warning.
 
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There was a sweet spot there that Vlad missed, after Frederick was crazy enough to consider 'hey maybe vampires aren't so bad' but before the paranoid schizophrenia set in.

Like the three second rule for genius necromancer pals. Brush Fred off a bit, and he's mostly still good!
Maybe but it was probably very hard to tell when that would have been, and even so becoming a vampire also effects your mind meaning that it could have just pushed him over the edge.
 
And I don't see this as particularly an issue given its what the thread is, as a whole, voting for which should mean the majority is satisfied. And given that Questing is a majority game of story telling, that sort of thing is the point.

If you want to change their minds, convince them. This sort of objection isn't convincing because, among other things, it doesn't provide a reader with why your opinion on how things should go is fun.

Your justification was that Mathilde's colleagues could be put off until later. My response was that later potentially never comes because of the compounding nature of those votes, and so that logic has

In any case, I think the justification for engaging with Karak Eight Peaks as a setting should pretty much be self-evident. Mathilde is putting down physical infrastructure roots, but it doesn't really feel like she's putting down social ones. Her social connections seem to still entirely be with characters from the Empire. Karak Eight Peaks is going to be a melting pot of people from all countries and many species, and so would be a really interesting place to explore, but we're not doing that, and the continued focus on the Empire and people there means it feels that we're less and less likely to, as there's little or no emotional investment being made there.
 
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You know what? I am tired, and sleepy and not thinking strait. No mechanical consequences, just vote for what you want?

Fine!

[X] Omegahugger
 
I have a funny feeling that Averland is going to go out of their way not to interfere with the new canal after Ostermark decided to play silly buggers and serve as a warning.
It's the opposite; Karak Kadrin built/is building a canal for Ostermark, and apparently Talabecland did something involving it that pissed off K.K.
 
I specifically want to cultivate Roswita as an ally within the Empire, to make it so that rather than fear and mistrust, she comes to trust Mathilde specifically, and Imperial Mages as an institution. I want to do this because it spits in the eye of the oh-so-prevalent fear of mages in the Empire, by taking a Witch Hunter who does view mages as the enemy and changing her mind. I want Roswita to look back at her abrupt dismissal of Mathilde regret it not just as a strategic mistake, but also as a personal mistake.
 
[X] Loremaster: Expert on beekeeping
[X] Princess Edda, to pry for details about her illicit romance with Prince Kazrik.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.
[X] Karak Hirn, to satisfy your curiousity about Prince Ulthar.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, to check up on the Ulrikadrin and get to know him better.
[X] Kragg the Grim, who you could likely convince to start gloating.
[X] Karak Kadrin, presenting them with the skull of an old enemy (but not to keep).
[X] Roswita, as she tries to wrap her head around the influx of Battle Wizards.
[X] Try to find Kasmir in Sylvania
[x] Build it into the entrance to the Penthouse.
 
So, uh, I've noticed a certain lack of regard to one particular line while people have been freaking about the super-ballsy empress who worships Ranald. Namely, this:

That, if I am understanding this correctly, refers to the Divine Bounty Ranald got off of Mork. You know, the shit we stole for him. The shit he has apparently used to get one of his high and greatest worshippers to be both Empress and mother to the next Emperor. Who will likely also be a Ranaldian if the god has any sense. That can only happen because of us. He owes use this. Or would if he hadn't already given us the coin. We basically just facilitated a Ranaldian version of Karl Franz, with any luck. Just, you know, in case people hadn't noticed.
Yeah, I spotted it. It's pretty cool, and I hope to find out more, opposed Intrigue rolls with master impersonator 'Gabrielle/Heidi' permitting....
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Oh. :V

Also pleased that the Duckling Club got off to a good start, with a very strong Academics precedent set.
[Setting up Duckling Club: Learning, 74+26=100.]
[Maximilian's Homework: Learning, 69+17+10(Patient)=96.]
[Johann's dissections: Learning, 62+14=76.]
Those were some first class reports for the first class to aspire to. :V
[Mathilde's Paper: Learning, 86+26-10(Practical)=102.]
And as luck would have it, ours was possibly the best. :smug:

I want Roswita to look back at her abrupt dismissal of Mathilde regret it not just as a strategic mistake, but also as a personal mistake.
Ah, spite. Such a human (and vampiric) emotion. :V
 
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Okay, finaly caught up, now to build a vote and hope not too many pages spawn while I do it.

[ ] Loremaster: Expert on weaving
[X] Loremaster: Expert on beekeeping

Was divided between weaving and beekeeper, but between threat discusion on how beekeepers have experience with surprinsingly smart eusocial insects, the weaver having potential divided loyalties and how I dout he can actualy teach spiders to weave the beekeper should be best.


[X] Prince Gotri, who will seize any excuse to talk about his gyrocopters.
[X] Kragg the Grim, who you could likely convince to start gloating.
[X] Karak Kadrin, presenting them with the skull of an old enemy (but not to keep).
[X] Karak Hirn, to satisfy your curiousity about Prince Ulthar.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.

The social vote was easy, outside of Gotri that I mostly want to befriend to learn enginiering at some point the driving force of these votes was curiosity.
I have been curious of how a social action with Kragg would go since he showed up.
I am curious on how a cerimony to strike grudges tends to go since the last one was interrupted.
I was curious about Ulthar since we learned he was a prince and no one wanting to say anything.
The Empress needs no explanation, just WTF woman.
And I am still curious about those eggs and what was inside them.


[X] The best reading chair ever.
[X] A bathtub, an even better place for reading.

If you are going to make something out of dragonbone it needs to be epic, and best chair ever or something even better sound the most epic to me.

Also can I just say this dhar disscussion is getting straigh up ridiculous, seriouosly how many WoG do we need until we can just acept that we are imune to dhar corruption with the belt, that as a wizard we are trained to manage the mental gynastics and that there are still good reason beyond the personal corruption we are imune to to be carefull with necromancy and just move on ?
Seriously, we just read the greatest treatise on necromancy even writen in the empire, learned the entire thing was an experiment on how mortals can handle, and even with the conclusion being that the only unavoidable problem is the thing our belt explictly covers we are still back to the beggining like clockwork as if nothing was ever said about it, is just frustrating at this point.
 
[X] Loremaster: Expert on beekeeping
[X] Roswita, as she tries to wrap her head around the influx of Battle Wizards.
[X] Roswita, to present her with a copy of the book her late father contributed to.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.
[X] Check in on the Gong Farmers and the Niter Factory.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
[X] The best reading chair ever.
 
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Actually, this has been noted. And he doesn't owe us, because, you know, he did his part of the heist. And the Imperial line is not hereditary.
Well like I said, not owe us owe us, because he already gave the Coin and such, but everything I've seen so far about Ranald suggests he won't be forgetting our contribution any time soon regardless. And while I didn't know the bit about Hereditary succession, they still have a decent chance of getting it, right? Presumably the children of the Emperor would still be considered in the running. And sorry if I missed it, I skipped over the last eight or so pages of comments because I hadn't seen anything about it thus far.
Seeing as he has a different mother and was born a decade later, I see no reason for him to have very much in common with the canon Karl-Franz. It's also pretty unlikely that he'd be a lay member of the Cult of Ranald, even if his mother was one.
Oh I doubt he'll be exactly like Karl Franz, but considering that BoneyM already pegged my post with an insightful rating, I'm willing to bet there's a much greater purpose to this con than just letting Gabriella be Empress. Franz, IIRC, was essentially a mortal incarnation of Sigmar--although given my lack of real Lore knowledge, that could be way off the mark--so couldn't Ranald theoretically do the same? And what makes it unlikely the kid would be connected to the Ranaldian faith? His mother will apparently be one of Ranald's biggest worshippers, given the amount of Divine favor he spent on her, some of that has to trickle down unless she has little to no influence on his upbringing.
 
By the way, since we finished Liber Mortis, will we consider having an apprentice?
 
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to see if you can snatch a private moment to speak honestly with her.
[X] Kragg the Grim, who you could likely convince to start gloating.
[X] Roswita, to present her with a copy of the book her late father contributed to.
[X] Anton, to see how his firearm factory is going.

[X] The best reading chair ever.
 
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