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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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zup said:
Even if we deduce a method to resurrect Abelheim that kills the spiders?
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I think we need an evil rating for this.


[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
I was indecisive here, but he sounds like the best choice.

The Skaven are more organized than the Orcs and currently fighting each other, so I think sending the spiders against the Orcs is the better option right now. We really need a reliable way to communicate with them in the future, though. Without that, the "sometimes food, sometimes not" part is worrying.

[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
 
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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight peaks.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

Wasn't there some talk before about how we should get a sword we can wield at the same time as a staff? Like a bastard sword or some such?
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

This is the best choice, not only military, but economical and strategic benefits, they know the place, fight our enemies, produce silk and venom and are able to communicate across distances.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

We want an economic focus.

[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.

Meh, nothing benefits us directly so whatever.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
 
Based the issue of communicating the the spiders, I think we should allow them to leave.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Make no recommendation.
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
 
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
Unless there are some grudges that might get in the way, the spiders seem fairly compatible and even synergizes well with the dwarves' mindset. As for language teaching them a written language is probably the easiest way to get around the translation spell.
The idea that they integrate and start internalizing dwarf cultural norms sounds hilarious. Also the trade of food, nest protection and spider sized forged items for spider silk, venom and scouting sounds like it would work out quite well for both sides.
 
On the spiders, since it seems like we're basically in agreement about maintaining peaceful relation with them it seems prudent to ensure we have ways to communicate with them.

As such we should probably order books on non-verbal communications as well as commission the item that let's us talk to animals.

As a bonus, such an item would also let Wolf talk with us and others. Should make up for not spending an action on him.
 
Alratan said:
I'm not willing to vote for any kind of open vote without specifying favour, as I think getting a low favour rune weapon would be an absolutely terrible outcome, possibly permanently damaging Mathilde's abilities, much worse than delaying the decision to buy one until later.
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BoneyM said:
If amount of favours is unspecified now it'll be decided in the next vote on the topic, so if you can reach consensus now go for it, but it's not vital.
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Given how frequent and heated the discussion has been between 15 favor vs. 25 favor, I'd vastly prefer it if we could have that vote be its own thing rather than have it end up dominating the conversation here.
 
The Grim Squeaker said:
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight peaks.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

Wasn't there some talk before about how we should get a sword we can wield at the same time as a staff? Like a bastard sword or some such?
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Think the idea was to be able to have an earthing rod rather than a staff.



Derpmind said:
Given how frequent and heated the discussion has been between 15 favor vs. 25 favor, I'd vastly prefer it if we could have that vote be its own thing rather than have it end up dominating the conversation here.
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I'd literally rather not commission a runic weapon than get one with less than 20 favor.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
-[X] [SPIDER] Given a few decades to test the military alliance first, of course.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

[X] [RUNE] Ranger's Greatsword
[X] [RUNE] No Purchase

[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
 
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Heretek said:
I have heard the arguments for a wastefully expensive weapons and remain unmoved.
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It's not wasteful, because it's likely increases our ability to enact change more than anything else we can do, as the standard way for humans to get powerful enough to matter is to use high end dwarven weapons, and it's also likely to help us earn dwarf favour more quickly. We've seen we get most significant for assassinating high value targets, An incredibly powerful sword is tailor made for that, because we're not always going to get lucky and kill targets that can't fight back. For example, a lot of skaven leaders are magic users, so would see/sense the magic of our active spells once we got close and so we'd have to fight them.

BoneyM said:
If amount of favours is unspecified now it'll be decided in the next vote on the topic, so if you can reach consensus now go for it, but it's not vital.
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Based on this I'm definitely including a favour rating, as a low favour weapon winning would be awful.

Derpmind said:
Given how frequent and heated the discussion has been between 15 favor vs. 25 favor, I'd vastly prefer it if we could have that vote be its own thing rather than have it end up dominating the conversation here.
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That option would massively favour people who want to spend the minimum amount, as they then have two chances, first to vote against getting a weapon at all, and then to vote for the cheapest possible option.
 
Personally I think the Tilean would be best, he sounds like just the right combination of economical and altruistic to lead a lot of mercenaries and retired mercenaries.

But this:
BoneyM said:
The first prominent figure is Oswald Oswaldson, who never hesitates to tell anyone how far back the line of Oswalds goes. He hails from Nuln, takes great pride that his father personally had a finger blown off while maintaining the Steam Tank Miragliano, and is very easy to goad into a very long diatribe about how the surgeon that medically discharged him from the Halberdiers didn't know what he was talking about, and besides they put all the guts back in, didn't they? You sent off a very dull-seeming letter to a fictional friend in Altdorf, and get one back that when decoded confirms Oswald's service history, his father's injury, and that indeed the Oswalds seem to back at least as far as the Second Vampire War, where an Oswald was commended for decapitating a ghoul before it could chomp down on a Priestess of Morr, and also very sternly reprimanded for the way the Priestess apparently decided to thank him, which also resulted in the next Oswaldson.
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Oswald the First strikes me as one of the most Gomez Addams people imaginable. He chopped the head off a ghoul to save a Priestess of Morr, and their mutual reactions could be creatively described as "Cara mia! That's Tilean!" mwah mwah mwah mwah. I know not all Morrites subscribe to the devoted Gothic look, but dang. In the middle of a Vampire War. That's some Omegahugger-level dedication right there.

And then they stayed together, inexplicably creating an entire lineage of Oswalds despite them all being wildly unconcerned with the possibility of their own grievous bodily harm.

Unless stated otherwise, from now on I am going to assume that Oswalds are all Addamses in everything but name.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

Edit: moratorium is over, so extending vote:

[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive/Antiquarian Skaven Magic, Extensive/Antiquarian Greenskin Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels. Dwarf Texts: Antiquarian Skaven, Antiquarian Greenskin, Extensive/Antiquarian Skaven Magic, Extensive/Antiquarian Greenskin Magic, Extensive Romance Novels. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
[X] [RUNE] No purchase.
 
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To give an idea on why we shouldn't do anything but the maximum for weapons, if we're doing the weapon at all, consider the opportunity cost of not going all out.

If we spend twenty instead of twenty five favors on the weapon, we get a weapon that isn't the maximum weapon and... a neat book?

I'll admit that having those pluses in our rolls from keeping a library were really nice, and I wasn't expecting them to be anywhere near so applicable, but I'd say that the additional points would be felt far more than an additional +3 to certain rolls.

Yes, you could spend it on other things, or save it up, but what else could you save it up for? Not even collaborating with a Runelord needs more than twelve of them.
The Grim Squeaker said:
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight peaks.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

Wasn't there some talk before about how we should get a sword we can wield at the same time as a staff? Like a bastard sword or some such?
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All Rune Weapons are hand weapons (as opposed to two hand weapons), so if we got a rune weapon we would be able to wield it either like a greatsword or like a regular sword, as we pleased (this would have the additional effect of allowing us to be more like Gandalf, which is always good).

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

I'll put this here for now, but revote when the RUNE option opens.
 
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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight peaks.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

[X] [RUNE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
 
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Keep in mind that the spiders are not coming out of nowhere, they are being recommended by us, who have a reputation of getting things done through unconventional means.
We vouch for them, they will give them the chance to incorporate.
 
JOJOBRN said:
The Skaven are more organized than the Orcs and currently fighting each other, so I think sending the spiders against the Orcs is the better option right now.
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But think about it!
Rats vs Rats vs Rats
and then suddenly SPIDERS EVERYWHERE ft Dwarves

btw voting

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

Like others have said, Merchant.
Might be weaker Martial-wise but seems the best choice, I'm open for changing my vote to the Questing Knight though.

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

This is the best choice I think, but I'm open to changing my vote to Ironbreaker provided someone made a convincing argument.

I uh won't touch the Sword argument but I only prefer 10-15 can be convinced to 20 still but no more.
EDIT: will try to sleep, but am too excited because discussions
 
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For people voting for what to do with the armour, remember that we'd give controversial advice to Belegar in confidence, so we don't have to worry about the reaction to us giving the advice.

He's also a sensible king, and knows the value of the various options - but he might not consider something like making multiple items from it as it's not obviously on the initial list.
 
Honestly any rune Weapon probably doesn't NEED to be specific at all. Kragg has seen us in action, our favored methods, and even a particularly, unique, aspect of our "work".
 
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

There is no easy way to communicate. We literally cannot make them part of society.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
 
BoneyM said:
But it's not every day you run into a Dwarf with contacts in every publisher in the Empire,
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Was he rallying adventurers for the copyright grudge?
BoneyM said:
After a moment of thought, you confirm that you are part of the not-We-other-We of the smaller-not-green-four-legs.
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Does We understand that each not-green-four-legs is an individual We?
BoneyM said:
The first prominent figure is Oswald Oswaldson, who never hesitates to tell anyone how far back the line of Oswalds goes.
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This name has been passed down the Oswald family line for generations.
BoneyM said:
and is very easy to goad into a very long diatribe about how the surgeon that medically discharged him from the Halberdiers didn't know what he was talking about, and besides they put all the guts back in, didn't they?
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Honestly if this guy marched all the way to K8P and fought through the orks I'm inclined to agree with him.
BoneyM said:
explaining to anyone rude enough to ask that one doesn't technically require a horse to be a Questing Knight.
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Hey we can bond with her about not needing horses. :D
 
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