Combined with that the fact that we stopped the Jedi from being generals means not nearly as many are deployed with Clone trooper units so are not in an easy position to be shot down. But yeah the CNS having substantial ground and space forces that until this battle had not been damaged is an obstacle for Palpatine needs to deal with.
 
[] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."

@ everyone, this sound good?
This doesn't really sound good. It requires us saying that the CNS has ties to high level CIS people. That could easily be used against the CNS by Palpatine.
 
Honestly, Palpy's going to get clued that we're more than we seem (and we already seem pretty spoopy) sooner rather than later. Better we ensure it's on our own terms, right?
 
In this case, he has basically the whole galactic Rim unified, getting stronger and which was basically untouched by the war. The CNS is too powerful to for an easy victory, and that is what he wants, plus literally, every Jedi survivor would flee to the CNS, making the Order 66 significantly less effective and creating basically thousands of Exiled Jedi ready to take Coruscant back
So what I'm hearing here is 'the CNS is really close to being the biggest obstacle in Palpatine's path, and now that his easy option for dealing with us and the CIS has been countered, we need to hurry and put our plans into action before he comes up with a way to deal with us that actually takes into account the increasingly obvious fact that we're a tough nut to crack.'

...On another note, I'm now wondering if it might actually be worth it to play up how hard hit we were by this...

...Alternatively, if we did want to go for the kill on Palpatine any time soon, a meeting to discuss this situation would make the perfect context to initiate action against him. Preferably something with a proper legal context though, in case he's planning the same thing.
 
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I'm confused, if we're telling the truth, what is the lie?
I don't know if Ciaran can manage that.
No no no, we're lying with the truth. It's such an effective way to lie that not even Captain Jack Sparrow is immune! :V

We don't even know Force Drain, Force Lightning/Electric Judgement, Force Choke, or Force Fire.
Actually, Ciaran does know Force Choke, she's used it at least twice so far (first against Wesker, then again against the Covert Ops Trooper that was chasing the Silencer when he was pretending to be from the 501st). It's just not unusual enough to count as a Trait.

@Publicola's plan seems fine to me. I'll vote for it as soon as he does.
 
[X] "'It may be true that we had to fend off an attack on Kalee, but the Council will find it hard to swallow that the Republic 'reinforcements' arrived well after the battle ended - how are we supposed to trust in protection and security like that? Let alone a military that loses track of one of its most dangerous enemies.' I'll try and turn the tables and have people focus on the Republic's 'incompetence,' which shouln't be too hard a sell with RI in chaos."
 
[x] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."

As usual, Plan Publicola is a good way to go :)
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."

You know we probably could go one step further next turn and insinuate that our "source(s)" in the CIS know something about the whole war. This might make Palpatine even more paranoid, because now he'll have to worry about sources that aren't easily dismissed outing him. We wouldn't, naturally, because outing him would probably mean outing us, but he doesn't need to know that.
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
[x] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
Adhoc vote count started by A_Saroc on Jan 13, 2019 at 12:09 PM, finished with 61 posts and 9 votes.

  • [x] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
    [X] "...Okay, hear me out..." (Write-in)
    -[X] How were they able to peel this many ships from the battle lines to attack a none contributing planet without anyone being able to notice their movement of forces or us noticing their shift in attention. To me, it looks like there are agents and moles in both our intelligence agencies.
    -[X] "'It's clear that with this attack that things can no longer continue the way they are, but the Council must come to a decision on what to do at this juncture.' We'll have to use bureaucracy to stall at this point. It means that there's going to be an answer expected sooner or later, but it'll also give me the most cover to work with."
    [X] "'It may be true that we had to fend off an attack on Kalee, but the Council will find it hard to swallow that the Republic 'reinforcements' arrived well after the battle ended - how are we supposed to trust in protection and security like that? Let alone a military that loses track of one of its most dangerous enemies.' I'll try and turn the tables and have people focus on the Republic's 'incompetence,' which shouln't be too hard a sell with RI in chaos."
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
Sorry if it sounds a bit harsh, but I see three inconsistencies:

vicious melee. While the droids attempted to fire into it, it was dominated by the Huk and Kaleesh
How? A major part of our plan was to make sure that most of the Huk would never land on the planet:
I can't stop the Kaleesh from wanting revenge - hell, if it wasn't playing into Palpatine's hands I'd let them destroy Huk for all I care! What am I supposed to tell Grievous!? That he shouldn't try and get revenge again after the species that enslaved his entire race came back for a second try at it!?
[...]
Grievous himself should unquestionably know about this. But the average Kaleesh on the other hand..."
"Sabotage the Huk forces, and make sure they never show up?
our first priority is to sabotage the Lucrehulk carrying the majority of the Huk troops
[...]
"Alert. Lucrehulk carrying most of our Huk auxiliaries is not present on battlefield. Presumed sabotage has occurred in transit."




He looked down - And suddenly the rest of the battle didn't matter for that one moment. For at his feet was something he'd never thought he'd see again...the mask of Ronderu.
He slowly and reverentially picked it up and looked it over, wondering what whim of the gods had brought it to him in this final hour - before he realized that tears had begun to fall from his eyes.
If you're surrounded and look away from the enemy - you're dead. If "the battle doesn't matter" and you "slowly and reverentially" bend down - you're dead twice over.
It might work if there were only Huk arrayed against him or if he still had Kaleesh protecting him... but no assassination droid would ignore such a massive opening.



the Malevolence began to pull away, pushing through the surrounding fleet before eventually jumping to hyperspace.
Wasn't one of our main goals to use Kalee as a trap for Trench and the Malevolence and thus prevent them from attacking another CNS planet? We had the ship interdicted and just let it escape.
Unfortunately I cannot ensure the loyalty of the Malevolence as it is currently being captained by the Super Tactical Droid "Kalani" and there is virtually nothing I can do at this point to prevent my master from simply overriding his current commands.
let's say we decided to spook Trench and prevent the attack to begin with. What then?"

"He would vanish again, and then the probability of us successfully determining where he would strike next would drop dramatically.
 
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[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."

While the CIS will still take some heat considering it was their admiral that went rogue, the opportunity to lead Palpatine on a goose chase is too much to pass up and this is probably one of the best choices we've got.
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
[x] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
[X] "'This brutal and unprovoked attack was committed with a Separatist fleet, yes, but this was not a Separatist attack. We were warned by a high-level source within the CIS government, that Admiral Trench had gone rogue and was no longer responding to commands from the Separatist Council or Parliament. It was because of that warning that we were able to prepare for and defeat Trench's attack here on Kalee. It is not clear whose orders Trench was following, but we are confident they did not come from the Confederacy of Independent Systems.' We take a strong stand, laying no blame on the CIS and using our media outlets to tamp down on the calls for war, while we dangle bait in front of Palpatine by revealing that we have allies and assets within the Separatist government. That way, he'll have to commit some of his agents to investigate the leak, while we plant evidence and lead them by the nose to the wrong conclusion."
 
Not really.
The thing is that Palps cannot afford to Stop the War at this point.

When he activated the order 66 he did it because he had troops in every planet and the local population was too battered to resist.

In this case, he has basically the whole galactic Rim unified, getting stronger and which was basically untouched by the war. The CNS is too powerful to for an easy victory, and that is what he wants, plus literally, every Jedi survivor would flee to the CNS, making the Order 66 significantly less effective and creating basically thousands of Exiled Jedi ready to take Coruscant back

So no I don´t think we are on tight schedule here I think our best option is to wait as much as possible while we try to get Assets, and if we can do it in 5 turn good, if we can do it in 7 even better and so on.

You're thinking of this in too straightforward of an action. Palpatine doesn't have to Stop The War just because he's declaring the war ended. Ok that sounds a little confusing, but it makes sense when you look at it through a broader lens.

The CNS is a part of the Republic, as much as we truly control it and it doesn't act like it at times. Most of the worlds joined us because they didn't want to be part of the fighting, not because they were truly neutral on the whole Separatists vs Republic thing. A lot of the senators in the CNS actually supported the heavier taxation Palpatine demanded when they knew it was going to the war effort. When the war is declared over, a lot of them are going to want to just fold back into the Republic. And the war's end is looking to be within sight.

The CIS has been taking some heavy blows over this war. The tide has turned against them on the battlefront, the clones defeating their droids and they've been losing tons of territory to our recruitment efforts in the CNS (and it's important to note we've taken more territory from the Seps than the Republic). There's also the massive amount of sabotage we've done to them (we've done some to the Republic as well, but nowhere near as much and in far less public ways). It's pretty obvious that the CIS is losing badly, I don't think they even have any Admirals left after the Trench incident. It won't be hard for Palpatine to 'make the final push' and order Dooku to roll over and let the CIS fall. As the final battle happens, he gives out Order 66 while fabricating some evidence of an assassination attempt.

There aren't as many Jedi with the clones, but the Jedi are still massively outnumbered and ambushed by the clones. We might get more than a handful of survivors, but we aren't getting 'thousands of exiled jedi' if he does this. It will still be a massacre. And he's ok with a couple running towards the CNS, in fact he wants that. When the Jedi join the CNS he'll demand them back to 'stand trial' (read: be killed or turned into his dark jedi minions) and if we manage to resist he'll accuse us of treason.

Dooku isn't going to want to give up, but Palpatine might actually unwittingly order him to do what he would have done in the first place: Join the CNS. Now he can spin a narrative that the CIS realized it was losing the war, so they've been slowly shifting assets over to the CNS, trying to ask for peace so they have time to build up their resources again. A lot of the CIS was big corporations so changing names and acting through different companies is hardly a new trick for them.

If we accept Dooku's assistance (or the public can be made to think we are) then he has plenty of grounds to further the war against us and strengthen his hold. If we reject it, then he sends in 'peacekeeping' troops to help us get rid of Dooku's forces and most of the CNS cheers him for his quick aid. Without the CIS support we do not have the forces to resist his armies (as far as he knows, we still have the Foundry but using that comes with it's own issues).

That's a rough outline, but Palpatine is a master at setting up plans that will benefit him no matter what. And he is certainly not going to wait 5 to 7 turns, that's utterly ridiculous. It was mentioned he'll be making a significant response soon. Even if he still doesn't realize how much we know, he has to realize by this point that we're taking out his pawns in rapid succession. He might not have things perfectly aligned, but he's smart enough to act before it's too late and realize that trying to continue is just causing him to lose more support than he's gaining because of what we're doing.
 
Reminder that the office of Supreme Chancellor has term limits, and Palpatine is already passed his and is only still in office due to war time emergency powers. The best way to kick off the assassinate palpatine bit would be for the war to end before he's ready, and Ciaran have senators waiting to immediately demand the end to Palpatine's war time emergency powers. With Dooku on our side, and a little more work, we can pull this off from the CIS side and blindside him.

Darth Sidious is constitutionally incapable of relinquishing power. If we want to force him to launch a premature coup attempt without the cover he did in canon, this is one way to do it.
 
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