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I expect it'll be stalled yes. But they should be able to limit the bleeding until we can reinforce Beyond.
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I expect it'll be stalled yes. But they should be able to limit the bleeding until we can reinforce Beyond.
Oops that's my bad, I accidentally cut her progress off.
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[X] Focus on the OSA and Felis
We're doing better with the OSA, and can double-team the Felis with the ISC. There's simply no way we can counter 42 additional ships, so we're going to have to pick our battles. Their cruisers and capitals simply have better P-scores than ours do, and we're already spending ludicrous quantities of PP drafting member ships. We can't keep that going, and we're already basically out of P-specialists to draw on.
We're doing better with the OSA, and can double-team the Felis with the ISC. There's simply no way we can counter 42 additional ships, so we're going to have to pick our battles. Their cruisers and capitals simply have better P-scores than ours do, and we're already spending ludicrous quantities of PP drafting member ships. We can't keep that going, and we're already basically out of P-specialists to draw on.
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The way I see it, losing some influence with the Licori and Bolians isn't too bad, we can recover from it once we recover our TF. But even with Diplopushes, there's a good chance our progress with the OSA and Felis will just stall if we don't concentrate on them. So I'd rather work on locking down the OSA and Felis ASAP so that our reinforced TF can fully concentrate on the Licori and Bolians instead of having to split between 4 polities.
I never know what to make of TF Royal reports. We keep making progress on the tags, but the flavor always feels like we're actually losing. The slow pace of progress is frustrating too. Another three quarters of this and we'll need another year of this.... Whelp. I mean, if things are about to become much more difficult we're about to just plain start losing!
Still, the stories of the individual ships were good.
Some really great Vol Chad here. Primo stuff, 100%.
And he delivered! By far the best progress of any TF. A total of +36 in tags and a research point bounty. Some great work. Of course, light torpedo fire is not good news.
Well, it's good to see Taggart is properly enthused about the mission.
That is... very interesting yet very disturbing news. They're selling ships, they're buying ships, they're not seeming to be moving after the Imelak.
No tag progress? I suppose we got a lot of juicy intelligence instead.
Shit talking us on the Amarki Senate floor. Great.
I mean, I am genuinely happy to hear this. It's good that they're going to stop killing pre-criminals and commit themselves to reform.
GMs: Oh, you didn't want a war? Well you're getting a goddman war! Just be grateful the HoH isn't blowing up ships and is instead going to use diplomacy to strip away potential allies. Bigly.
As a reminder, here is what Thuir is working with.
Task Force: Beyond
Mission: Resolve [Horizon Influence: 147/300] tag on Licori, [Horizon Influence: 164/300] tag on Felis, and [Horizon Influence: 282/300] tag on OSA. If a [Horizon Influence] tag emerges on the Bolians, resolve that tag as well.
Commander: Rear Admiral Michel Thuir- Reroll first event failure each quarter
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Mission: Resolve [Horizon Influence: 147/300] tag on Licori, [Horizon Influence: 164/300] tag on Felis, and [Horizon Influence: 282/300] tag on OSA. If a [Horizon Influence] tag emerges on the Bolians, resolve that tag as well.
Commander: Rear Admiral Michel Thuir- Reroll first event failure each quarter
Attachments:
- Free FDS Diplomatic Team attachment
- Starfleet Tactical Brass: 15pp per year. Enables coordination events with other powers
- Molchenek-Danashad: 3 pp per year. Effect: +1 to the first diplomatic roll involving a capitalist society each quarter
- Sam Jones: 10 br on purchase, 10 br per year. Effect: Gain both sr & relations on trade summit missions for this task force.
- Harbind-Attu Institute Research Team: 40 rp on purchase, 20 rp per year. Effect: Receive a bonus to a technology related to the Task Force's activities each year.
- Cpt. Wolfe's Analysis Team: 20 pp on purchase, 10 pp per year. Effect: +1 on opposed rolls
- Technocracy Interstellar Ministry Diplomatic Team: 10 pp on purchase, 5 pp per year. Effect: For every passed Presence event each quarter, add +3 relations to another applicable tag.
- Explorers: 2 Starfleet Excelsior-A [Pleezirra (B), Excalibur], 1 Caitian Excelsior-A [Nisharr], 1 Starkin Basilica [Basilica of Rangers], 1 Starkin Basilica of Lakhept [Basilica of Lakhept]
- Cruisers: 2 Apiata Little Queenship [Birizzida, Tapazzira], 2Orion Nelhiar Savings & Loan Enforcer Cruisers [OUSNelhiar's Pride, OUS Nelhiar's Honor],1 Honiani Reliquary, 1Risan Heave Corvette-A
- Frigates: 1 Caldonian Centaur-B,4Apiata Stingers [Anuzza, Tunirri, Sezzina, Luzzina], 3 Orion Molhane Patrol Escorts [Gessir, Burdina, Dasrut]
- Notes: 19 ships total
The rule in warfare is, "concentrate your forces". Splitting to two fronts just means we lose slower on two fronts. However look at where we are with the OSA and Felis. 282/300. 164/300. If Beyond concetrates there, it just might be possible to pull off a decisive victory and then swing back around on the Licori and Bolians before the HoH can achieve complete victory there. So I have to vote for:
[X] Focus on the OSA and Felis
And it's Admiral Thuir, not Commodore Thuir.
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If we dump every single ship that completes next year directly into Beyond, we will still be behind by 12 ships, not counting their swarm frigates, which are likely to soon include Alert-class replacements, which are liable to have decent (at least) SPD.
I need to be clear... we don't have reinforcements to send unless you abandon another priority somewhere else. We've maxxed out our ability to draft member ships, and we're still a little understaffed on Sectro response. True more Keplers will complete next year, but we're also going to start sending Renaissances in for refit.
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That or they have a staggeringly large reserve of ships.
Something on the lines of "If we're not repairing, we're building more ships. Even if we can't crew them right now, we'll have them when we need it."
Like, as things stand, they just wardecced in all but name. Probably sensed weakness from us if we weren't willing to go to the knife.
That, or they absorbed or destroyed a rival superpower on the opposite border, and can redeploy their forces here to start grinding away at us in earnest.
But yeah, a 42 ship approach? 42 capital ships and god knows how many parasite craft attached? That's a wardec in literally all but name. They've decided that we're too weak to oppose a passive-aggressive "Annexation", and have put cards on the table to try and knock us on our ass while we're in an unstable position.
Frankly, I'm surprised if the Federation Council allows the movement of armada-sized fleets right on our borders without a challenge. This is the kind of thing that absolutely demands a "Hey, cut that shit out or this is going to get unpleasant" response, or else the Federation can say goodbye to its sovereignty.
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This right here is probably the most terrifying threat we have ever faced. Going by the ratios of capital to cruiser to swarmer found in the Peacekeeping Directorate (1:2:12) and their prior Task Force (1:9:4) we are looking at a seriously scary fleet. The former gives:
14 Capitals
28 Cruisers
168 Swarmers
but since that makes up pretty much the entire Peacekeeping Directorate we are probably looking at the Task Force ratio for:28 Cruisers
168 Swarmers
4 Capitals
38 Cruisers
16 Swarmers
which is bloody terrifying. Running the numbers that is probably superior to any fleet we have ever pulled together.38 Cruisers
16 Swarmers
Probobly not with what we've seen. That said, this is what I was kind of anticipating. We just traded Blood and Steel with the Cardassians for Words and Rhetoric with the HoH.
[X] Focus on the OSA and Felis
EDIT: Put in my vote.
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Well, they did mention that they are dipping into their sector forces for that big an outreach and that it's going to affect their citizens. So, they probably can't pull much more.
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Can't be, not even we can absorb a rival superpower just like that.
Just to hammer things home here is a post I made up back when we first assembled Task Force Unity:
Seriously this fleet is 165% the fleet we had for the Arcadian Crisis and literally double the forces we actually sent in to fight them and that was a full on war.
My very rough estimates I putting total Science, Presence, and Defense values in the high two hundreds to low three hundreds for the HoH fleet.
Alectai
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Federation's also a generalist, while the Harmony is pretty much full Diplomatic Dystopia. Just like our superpower is our massive industry, they probably have a superpower that lets them diplo-annex peers if they can get enough advantage on them.
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I know that Briefvoice. I am still thinking about the vote and whether or not I should focus one side over the other.
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Bit weird that they'd be doing that, given that they just announced a massive, social change.
The Harmony just announced that they'd end what was basically an eugenics project on an unprecedented scale. There's only 2 ways that such a project can exist. Either a total buy-in from the population, or a severe repression and hiding of the program.
Since they openly announced the end of the program, either possibility should lead to major unrest.
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The only good news is that this is flagrantly an act of war. You don't move armada sized forces in an attempt to annex a superpower's neighbours (And that's flagrantly what they're doing) and not expect the other side to react to it
Which means that we're liable to be able to draw on the member fleets more heavily for this.
Like, the HoH pulled this because they smelled weakness, that we didn't hold our ground when it was untenable out of ideals--and thus, those ideals are obviously weak and easily absorbed. I think this was actually a blunder on their part brought on by a lack of ability to get in the Federation's head--because they would go to the knife on their ideals at the drop of a hat, even if it's not geopolitically sound to do so.
You don't need much to hold your own ground when nobody who isn't assured loyal is allowed to have starships that can survive on their own longer than a few days.
And when you've got enough internal control on top of that to the extent of "Everything you say is believed implicitly", all you need to do is wipe out anyone who protests and claim it was the act of someone else, and all is well.
More importantly, they're just confident they have enough social control at this point that they can say "We've always been at war with EastAsia" with a straight face and expect everyone in their populace who matters to agree.
Which means that we're liable to be able to draw on the member fleets more heavily for this.
Like, the HoH pulled this because they smelled weakness, that we didn't hold our ground when it was untenable out of ideals--and thus, those ideals are obviously weak and easily absorbed. I think this was actually a blunder on their part brought on by a lack of ability to get in the Federation's head--because they would go to the knife on their ideals at the drop of a hat, even if it's not geopolitically sound to do so.
You don't need much to hold your own ground when nobody who isn't assured loyal is allowed to have starships that can survive on their own longer than a few days.
And when you've got enough internal control on top of that to the extent of "Everything you say is believed implicitly", all you need to do is wipe out anyone who protests and claim it was the act of someone else, and all is well.
More importantly, they're just confident they have enough social control at this point that they can say "We've always been at war with EastAsia" with a straight face and expect everyone in their populace who matters to agree.
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I can only hope, but they've apparently convinced large portions of the Amarki senate that the UFP is a bunch of cowards, and are probably going to try and do the same everywhere else.
HARMONY: War, what war? We're just talking to these people, attempting to get them to join the Harmony like you want them to join the Federation. Where's the war?
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"Oh, I dunno, the fact you're throwing enough ships out per planet to blockade them and shut out any dissenting voice until they agree with you?"
This is frankly a massive escalation in force from the HoH, and the only way I can see it is if they legitimately saw us not intervening in the Chrystovian Crisis as a sign of weakness, rather than "The logistics are fucking untenable and it's not in our charter to get in shooting wars with peer powers if it's not necessary--especially when there's another highly belligerent superpower who'll take advantage".
Like, they didn't look at the logistics, they saw the fact the Federation didn't intervene with full force at this as a sign of weakness, that we're compromising on our beliefs and are therefore brittle and ready to be hit, so they make a big show of force and are going "Oh? We're going to annex these guys now, what are you going to do about it?" They've already seen we're not willing to go to the knife to protect people who aren't in our camp after all--and if we do anyway? Well, they can just use that as proof that we don't practice what we preach in the various diplomatic wars.
The answer to that being, basically. "What you do right on our borders is a whole different story to what we do to someone who we'd have to carve through a peer power's borders to set up a line of support to."