Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
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- United States of America
Now... before we go all gunho on this idea
@yrsillar what is the maximum height that Ling Qi can fly up to from a resting position?
I mean, the dress indicates that it can recover from 200m fall, so I assume that 200m would be the maximum possible, but we also don't have a hard number on how high the suit can fly upwards.
However, there seems to be no indication that our defense should suffer, as we don't need to be touching the ground for our defensive arts, and if we can move up to 78m high we should be fairly safe from most melee attacks.
If I was a person expecting flight, but I had limited options on how to deal with it, I would attempt to chain or taunt Ling Qi down to the ground. This... won't work particularly well because of Six and GCD. Other than that, I would attempt to scale the trees and use those as platforms upon which I can leverage my longer distance arts for greater effect. Even a meter or two would help.
Last but not least, I would attempt to physically launch myself and grapple the flying opponent to the ground. This... also won't do well against us because of GCD and Thousand Rings Unbreaking.
Otherwise, she needs to have prepared arts that have a distance of 76m+ for after we move upwards twice. That is... reaching it for a melee face puncher build.
The downside for this is that we will be spending an additional 9-12 qi just to be in the air. This is substantial, but our qi regen should hopefully mitigate the costs substantially.
@yrsillar what is the maximum height that Ling Qi can fly up to from a resting position?
I mean, the dress indicates that it can recover from 200m fall, so I assume that 200m would be the maximum possible, but we also don't have a hard number on how high the suit can fly upwards.
Fundamentally, flight gives us 3 dimensions in which to dodge, so there might be a slight malus to her dice or a slight buff to our own.
However, there seems to be no indication that our defense should suffer, as we don't need to be touching the ground for our defensive arts, and if we can move up to 78m high we should be fairly safe from most melee attacks.
If I was a person expecting flight, but I had limited options on how to deal with it, I would attempt to chain or taunt Ling Qi down to the ground. This... won't work particularly well because of Six and GCD. Other than that, I would attempt to scale the trees and use those as platforms upon which I can leverage my longer distance arts for greater effect. Even a meter or two would help.
Last but not least, I would attempt to physically launch myself and grapple the flying opponent to the ground. This... also won't do well against us because of GCD and Thousand Rings Unbreaking.
Otherwise, she needs to have prepared arts that have a distance of 76m+ for after we move upwards twice. That is... reaching it for a melee face puncher build.
The downside for this is that we will be spending an additional 9-12 qi just to be in the air. This is substantial, but our qi regen should hopefully mitigate the costs substantially.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] The floor is lava V2 : Release zhengui and have him attack Chu, while we fly out and start setting up FVM. Once FVM is fully out buff him, and when Chu get caught by FVM, use FSS to finish her.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
The only counter to flight, when you yourself don't have that ability, is to try and shoot your target down.
Lucky us, we have FZ that give extra passive def dice against all projectiles, on top of everything else...
- Location
- The Beach
Not for the match specifically but for the Tournament: it does a surprisingly nice job of misdirecting our opponents to our skills. In the Prelims, and most of the year really, all our public fights have largely seen Ling Qi never directly engaging with anyone. And this reinforces that, and should be a real nice surprise for Ji Rong when we bust our TRF
- Location
- United States of America
[X] Plan Untethered
[X] Set up and Stick in
[X] Set up and Stick in
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
I imagine she's either going to use the Wind attacks from her sword to try to hit us directly, or get into a dispel war with us over FVM while we're flying. We have lots of passive bonuses in both those circumstances.
- Location
- Internet, The
I see plan untethered as bad showmanship and pay to win. It would work extremely reliably, yes, and it would also be completely within the rules. I still don't like doing it against an opponent I think we can defeat without. I'd much prefer using it against Ji Rong, since it would make a much more pithy political statement then, while also coming at a time where we need the advantage more.
That fight would be between two talented commoners pledged to rival nobles. Showing off the difference in backing would grant CRX prestige, while using it against an arguably already inferior opponent might be seen as a cheap victory.
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Edit: Of course there is a benefit in appearing as if we relied on superior artifacts to win against melee fighters and then surprise everyone the next round as well… Decisions decisions…
Edit 2: Wait a minute. Was Ji Rong the guy with the bow and special arrows? In that case, we should definitely fly in this fight.
That fight would be between two talented commoners pledged to rival nobles. Showing off the difference in backing would grant CRX prestige, while using it against an arguably already inferior opponent might be seen as a cheap victory.
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Edit: Of course there is a benefit in appearing as if we relied on superior artifacts to win against melee fighters and then surprise everyone the next round as well… Decisions decisions…
Edit 2: Wait a minute. Was Ji Rong the guy with the bow and special arrows? In that case, we should definitely fly in this fight.
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Pay to win is explicitly a thing in Xianxia, and is entirely expected.
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
[X] Plan Untethered
- Location
- Internet, The
Of course, but time and place, you know? Relying on it as central to our strategy implies weakness otherwise. It takes the place of other ways we could show off. Similarly, using it to defeat "equal" opponents shows of the strength of our backer.
It's a trade-off. While I think the idea is wonderful outside-the-box thinking, and definitely want to use it, the question is when it works best to razzle and dazzle the audience and our opponent.
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Edit: was Ji Rong the bow user? That would pretty much necessitate we use the gown now and stay on the ground against him.
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Doing this against a Chu just reinforces the message about how valuable it is to stay on the Cai's goodside.
In this instance, although I dislike that we have to use this kind of analysis, that makes this an even better tactic, as it sends a message out ultimate liege should approve of.
No, Ji Rong was the guy with Hadouken lightning blasts, which I would not like to fight at range either. Trick arrow guy or girl was a nameless Sun minion, likely the archery girl next to Zhou Chen last round.
- Location
- United States of America
No, Ji Rong is the other commoner that we have butted heads with who joined Sun's faction. He was the individual who was time stopped for a month.
His kit seems to be primarily melee/mid range, but he has a wicked ranged attack that seems to deal perfect damage. He also has some high mobility stuff. He also seems to like the elements of Heaven and Fire. Lots of electricity and plasma.
I missed this before, but remember that we still don't have any evidence that he's sworn to the Sun.
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- Location
- Red Blood on Golden Shield
[X] Plan Untethered
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] Plan Untethered
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
Actually, I'd argue it's a pretty perfect time. Even outside of political concerns, LQ just had a prelim where a much more gross pay-to-win item was used against her at the behest of the obvious rival faction. Sun took the gloves off first, we can feel free to use our own grossly overleveled piece of gear now.
Well, I don't know. If our opponent is a pure melee build then a talisman that gives you flying is probably an even stronger direct counter to no-sell her. The gown is also a much higher level item, as it gives a persistent Realm breaking capability, as opposed to, IIRC, a single use mid green dispel.
The flight gowns seem to be a much bigger deal than almost any other parental intervention in the tournament, including the sum total of everything that the Sun have done, simply because it counters so many tactics and options at this Cultivation level. It's why we did so well against Shen Hu, apparently, as well.
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- Location
- Earth
[X] Alectai
DeusExBritannia
Red-White-Black-White
- Location
- Texas
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
[X] Plan Untethered